I love growing butterfly bushes, and wanted to a deep, dark purple
"Black Knight" to my collection. We went to a nursery that had a few
in bloom, but not the size we wanted. So we purchased a smaller plant
that wasn't in bloom. When it finally did bloom, it wasn't the deep
almost black purple, but more of a bright purple. Might my plant get
darker flowers with age, or should I return the plant?

return the plant. Black Knight is deep deep dark purple with an orange
eye.........
"Fleemo" wrote in message
m...
I love growing butterfly bushes, and wanted to a deep, dark purple
"Black Knight" to my collection. We went to a nursery that had a few
in bloom, but not the size we wanted. So we purchased a smaller plant
that wasn't in bloom. When it finally did bloom, it wasn't the deep
almost black purple, but more of a bright purple. Might my plant get
darker flowers with age, or should I return the plant?

Amen, Marilyn! I have two butterfly bushes growing in my yard that I
purchased because they were labeled "Black Knight" but weren't. I didn't
return them because the blooms are reasonably attractive and it was the
following year before I determined they weren't. Finally I ordered one from
Blue Stone. I think this problem often happens at retail outlets because
customers are prone to pull out labels and put them back in the wrong
container. BTW, another butterfly bush I ordered because it was labeled
as a dwarf "Nanho Purple" is incredible. The number and size of the flowers
far surpasses "Black Knight." It requires little pruning and blooms it's
head off.

John

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
return the plant. Black Knight is deep deep dark purple with an orange
eye.........
"Fleemo" wrote in message
m...
I love growing butterfly bushes, and wanted to a deep, dark purple
"Black Knight" to my collection. We went to a nursery that had a few
in bloom, but not the size we wanted. So we purchased a smaller plant
that wasn't in bloom. When it finally did bloom, it wasn't the deep
almost black purple, but more of a bright purple. Might my plant get
darker flowers with age, or should I return the plant?

The label for the plant was an actual label stuck to the surface of
the pot, so it wasn't a shopper accidentally switching tags, but a
nursery or grower error. The funny thing is, we went to a couple of
nurseries in pursuit of a Black Knight, and one nursery had this same
lighter purple and called it a Black Knight. We thought they were
crazy. So we returned to the one place in town that had the deep dark
Black Knight, and purchased a smaller specimen that wasn't in bloom
yet. Weeks later we discovered the error.

Is Nanho Purple the same deep, almost black purple as Black Knight?
And just how large does it get? And would you mind passing along the
URL for Blue Stone?

Thanks!

-Fleemo



"B & J" wrote in message ...
Amen, Marilyn! I have two butterfly bushes growing in my yard that I
purchased because they were labeled "Black Knight" but weren't. I didn't
return them because the blooms are reasonably attractive and it was the
following year before I determined they weren't. Finally I ordered one from
Blue Stone. I think this problem often happens at retail outlets because
customers are prone to pull out labels and put them back in the wrong
container. BTW, another butterfly bush I ordered because it was labeled
as a dwarf "Nanho Purple" is incredible. The number and size of the flowers
far surpasses "Black Knight." It requires little pruning and blooms it's
head off.

John

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
return the plant. Black Knight is deep deep dark purple with an orange
eye.........
"Fleemo" wrote in message
m...
I love growing butterfly bushes, and wanted to a deep, dark purple
"Black Knight" to my collection. We went to a nursery that had a few
in bloom, but not the size we wanted. So we purchased a smaller plant
that wasn't in bloom. When it finally did bloom, it wasn't the deep
almost black purple, but more of a bright purple. Might my plant get
darker flowers with age, or should I return the plant?

In article ,
(Fleemo) wrote:

The label for the plant was an actual label stuck to the surface of
the pot, so it wasn't a shopper accidentally switching tags, but a
nursery or grower error. The funny thing is, we went to a couple of
nurseries in pursuit of a Black Knight, and one nursery had this same
lighter purple and called it a Black Knight. We thought they were
crazy. So we returned to the one place in town that had the deep dark
Black Knight, and purchased a smaller specimen that wasn't in bloom
yet. Weeks later we discovered the error.

Is Nanho Purple the same deep, almost black purple as Black Knight?
And just how large does it get? And would you mind passing along the
URL for Blue Stone?

Thanks!

-Fleemo

My butterfly bush is Nanho Blue (a semi-dwarf variety), & a record kept
photographically proved I wasn't imagining it that it bloomed much bluer
this year than it did last year (pretty either way). Last year it was so
purple it was hard to see why it was called "Blue," but this year it's a
purer rich blue. I've also had clematis bloom a pale blue then rebloom a
darker blue. I suspect some of the depth of color is informed by changng
soil conditions, moisture conditions, weather patterns. "Wrong tag" is
always a possibility, but many a plant prepared by specialists in
providing "product" that stays for some while beautiful in pots (hence
easy to sell in nurseries) -- that plant may never again look exactly like
it did as potted product, but could look better, or worse, or merely
different, once established in a garden.

The two photos on this page show the Nanho Blue last year when it was
purple, & this year; it's been blooming true-blue for quite some weeks
now.
http://www.paghat.com/butterflybush.html

-paghat the ratgirl


"B & J" wrote in message
...
Amen, Marilyn! I have two butterfly bushes growing in my yard that I
purchased because they were labeled "Black Knight" but weren't. I didn't
return them because the blooms are reasonably attractive and it was the
following year before I determined they weren't. Finally I ordered one from
Blue Stone. I think this problem often happens at retail outlets because
customers are prone to pull out labels and put them back in the wrong
container. BTW, another butterfly bush I ordered because it was labeled
as a dwarf "Nanho Purple" is incredible. The number and size of the flowers
far surpasses "Black Knight." It requires little pruning and blooms it's
head off.

John

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
return the plant. Black Knight is deep deep dark purple with an orange
eye.........
"Fleemo" wrote in message
m...
I love growing butterfly bushes, and wanted to a deep, dark purple
"Black Knight" to my collection. We went to a nursery that had a few
in bloom, but not the size we wanted. So we purchased a smaller plant
that wasn't in bloom. When it finally did bloom, it wasn't the deep
almost black purple, but more of a bright purple. Might my plant get
darker flowers with age, or should I return the plant?




--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

'Royal red' and 'black knight' are often confused and even as I go and look at
the ones at work I can tell the black knights are really something else. I
dont understand how this happens with buddleias because the cuttings will root
and flower in less than six weeks, making it really easy to at least narrow
down to a few. Also, paghat, im fairly sure 'petite indigo' and 'hanho blue'
are two different named varieties??

Toad

From: (Fleemo)
Date: Mon, Jul 28, 2003 6:45 PM
Message-id:

The label for the plant was an actual label stuck to the surface of
the pot, so it wasn't a shopper accidentally switching tags, but a
nursery or grower error. The funny thing is, we went to a couple of
nurseries in pursuit of a Black Knight, and one nursery had this same
lighter purple and called it a Black Knight. We thought they were
crazy. So we returned to the one place in town that had the deep dark
Black Knight, and purchased a smaller specimen that wasn't in bloom
yet. Weeks later we discovered the error.

Is Nanho Purple the same deep, almost black purple as Black Knight?
And just how large does it get? And would you mind passing along the
URL for Blue Stone?

Thanks!

-Fleemo


Re Nanho Purple: I've been growing one since the year before last. Its blooms
are a rich medium purple (with the orange eye), veering to the blue side of
the shade rather than the violet/pink. It's not a light shade, but it's much
lighter than Black Knight. Mine, in its third year here, is close to 5 ft.,
which is about the height it should attain. Last year it was about 3-4 ft.
This is a perfect shrub for a mixed border and it responds well to constant
cutting-back and deadheading during the growing season by producing more and
more blooms. Smallish graceful gray-green leaves and slender flower spikes
keep it right in scale. I love this plant!

Best,
Tyra
nNJ usa z7

In article ,
(Marley1372) wrote:

'Royal red' and 'black knight' are often confused and even as I go and look at
the ones at work I can tell the black knights are really something else. I
dont understand how this happens with buddleias because the cuttings will root
and flower in less than six weeks, making it really easy to at least narrow
down to a few. Also, paghat, im fairly sure 'petite indigo' and 'hanho blue'
are two different named varieties??

Toad

In my garden notes is an attempt to sort out registered names from
trademark & other nursery variants, & I wouldn't swear I've sorted it out
right, but I"m about 95% certain there are only three cultivars presently
in the nursery trade from the smaller subspecies nanhoensis, but with
different names from different growers, to whit:

Nanho Alba = Monite = White Dwarf = Petite Snow(TM)
Nanho Purple = Monum = Purple Dwarf = Petite Plum(TM)
Nanho Blue = Mongo = Blue Dwarf = Petite Indigo(TM)

Confusion arises because some catalogs obtain butterfly bushes from more
than one wholesaler and very occasionally end up cataloging the same shrub
twice under two names, either not knowing they're the same, or because a
shrub labeled as in the "Petite" series cannot legally be sold with that
name except through arrangement with the trademark holder.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

according to dirr, the nanho and the petites are different, but monrovia(who
has the patents on the petite series) has a habit of renaming already named
cultivars after thier patents have expired. For example- Hydrangea
macrophylla "pia" is the same thing as what monrovia sells as "pink elf"

(paghat) wrote in
news
In article ,
(Marley1372) wrote:

'Royal red' and 'black knight' are often confused and even as I go
and look at the ones at work I can tell the black knights are really
something else. I dont understand how this happens with buddleias
because the cuttings will root and flower in less than six weeks,
making it really easy to at least narrow down to a few. Also,
paghat, im fairly sure 'petite indigo' and 'hanho blue' are two
different named varieties??

Toad

In my garden notes is an attempt to sort out registered names from
trademark & other nursery variants, & I wouldn't swear I've sorted it
out right, but I"m about 95% certain there are only three cultivars
presently in the nursery trade from the smaller subspecies nanhoensis,
but with different names from different growers, to whit:

Nanho Alba = Monite = White Dwarf = Petite Snow(TM)
Nanho Purple = Monum = Purple Dwarf = Petite Plum(TM)
Nanho Blue = Mongo = Blue Dwarf = Petite Indigo(TM)

Confusion arises because some catalogs obtain butterfly bushes from
more than one wholesaler and very occasionally end up cataloging the
same shrub twice under two names, either not knowing they're the same,
or because a shrub labeled as in the "Petite" series cannot legally be
sold with that name except through arrangement with the trademark
holder.

-paghat the ratgirl


Speaking of petite buddleias...

I just returned from a shopping spree from the home improvement store
(like HD, but less expensive and more annoying ads) with a healty looking
but very discounted buddleia (these were about the only plants they had
left, must have been a late shipment because they were still fairly
healthy looking plants - at least compared to the few non-buddleias
expiring in the corner) that is going to replace the Peaches N Cream
hollyhocks that finally expired on the southeast corner of my house..
This one is tagged Buddleia davidii "Petite Purple" - no (TM) or anything
of the sort. The one I purchased has some blooms still open, in full sun
they looked almost light blue but as dusk approached they were more of a
light lavender with pink tones, and with an orange center. Any idea where
this one fits in with your listings?

Richard

'Royal red' and 'black knight' are often confused and even as I go and look at
the ones at work I can tell the black knights are really something else. I
dont understand how this happens with buddleias because the cuttings will root
and flower in less than six weeks, making it really easy to at least narrow
down to a few. Also, paghat, im fairly sure 'petite indigo' and 'hanho blue'
are two different named varieties??

Toad

From: (Fleemo)
Date: Mon, Jul 28, 2003 6:45 PM
Message-id:

The label for the plant was an actual label stuck to the surface of
the pot, so it wasn't a shopper accidentally switching tags, but a
nursery or grower error. The funny thing is, we went to a couple of
nurseries in pursuit of a Black Knight, and one nursery had this same
lighter purple and called it a Black Knight. We thought they were
crazy. So we returned to the one place in town that had the deep dark
Black Knight, and purchased a smaller specimen that wasn't in bloom
yet. Weeks later we discovered the error.

Is Nanho Purple the same deep, almost black purple as Black Knight?
And just how large does it get? And would you mind passing along the
URL for Blue Stone?

Thanks!

-Fleemo


Re Nanho Purple: I've been growing one since the year before last. Its blooms
are a rich medium purple (with the orange eye), veering to the blue side of
the shade rather than the violet/pink. It's not a light shade, but it's much
lighter than Black Knight. Mine, in its third year here, is close to 5 ft.,
which is about the height it should attain. Last year it was about 3-4 ft.
This is a perfect shrub for a mixed border and it responds well to constant
cutting-back and deadheading during the growing season by producing more and
more blooms. Smallish graceful gray-green leaves and slender flower spikes
keep it right in scale. I love this plant!

Best,
Tyra
nNJ usa z7

In article ,
(Marley1372) wrote:

'Royal red' and 'black knight' are often confused and even as I go and look at
the ones at work I can tell the black knights are really something else. I
dont understand how this happens with buddleias because the cuttings will root
and flower in less than six weeks, making it really easy to at least narrow
down to a few. Also, paghat, im fairly sure 'petite indigo' and 'hanho blue'
are two different named varieties??

Toad

In my garden notes is an attempt to sort out registered names from
trademark & other nursery variants, & I wouldn't swear I've sorted it out
right, but I"m about 95% certain there are only three cultivars presently
in the nursery trade from the smaller subspecies nanhoensis, but with
different names from different growers, to whit:

Nanho Alba = Monite = White Dwarf = Petite Snow(TM)
Nanho Purple = Monum = Purple Dwarf = Petite Plum(TM)
Nanho Blue = Mongo = Blue Dwarf = Petite Indigo(TM)

Confusion arises because some catalogs obtain butterfly bushes from more
than one wholesaler and very occasionally end up cataloging the same shrub
twice under two names, either not knowing they're the same, or because a
shrub labeled as in the "Petite" series cannot legally be sold with that
name except through arrangement with the trademark holder.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

(paghat) wrote in
news
In article ,
(Marley1372) wrote:

'Royal red' and 'black knight' are often confused and even as I go
and look at the ones at work I can tell the black knights are really
something else. I dont understand how this happens with buddleias
because the cuttings will root and flower in less than six weeks,
making it really easy to at least narrow down to a few. Also,
paghat, im fairly sure 'petite indigo' and 'hanho blue' are two
different named varieties??

Toad

In my garden notes is an attempt to sort out registered names from
trademark & other nursery variants, & I wouldn't swear I've sorted it
out right, but I"m about 95% certain there are only three cultivars
presently in the nursery trade from the smaller subspecies nanhoensis,
but with different names from different growers, to whit:

Nanho Alba = Monite = White Dwarf = Petite Snow(TM)
Nanho Purple = Monum = Purple Dwarf = Petite Plum(TM)
Nanho Blue = Mongo = Blue Dwarf = Petite Indigo(TM)

Confusion arises because some catalogs obtain butterfly bushes from
more than one wholesaler and very occasionally end up cataloging the
same shrub twice under two names, either not knowing they're the same,
or because a shrub labeled as in the "Petite" series cannot legally be
sold with that name except through arrangement with the trademark
holder.

-paghat the ratgirl


Speaking of petite buddleias...

I just returned from a shopping spree from the home improvement store
(like HD, but less expensive and more annoying ads) with a healty looking
but very discounted buddleia (these were about the only plants they had
left, must have been a late shipment because they were still fairly
healthy looking plants - at least compared to the few non-buddleias
expiring in the corner) that is going to replace the Peaches N Cream
hollyhocks that finally expired on the southeast corner of my house..
This one is tagged Buddleia davidii "Petite Purple" - no (TM) or anything
of the sort. The one I purchased has some blooms still open, in full sun
they looked almost light blue but as dusk approached they were more of a
light lavender with pink tones, and with an orange center. Any idea where
this one fits in with your listings?

Richard

"Fleemo" wrote in message
om...
The label for the plant was an actual label stuck to the surface of
the pot, so it wasn't a shopper accidentally switching tags, but a
nursery or grower error. The funny thing is, we went to a couple of
nurseries in pursuit of a Black Knight, and one nursery had this same
lighter purple and called it a Black Knight. We thought they were
crazy. So we returned to the one place in town that had the deep dark
Black Knight, and purchased a smaller specimen that wasn't in bloom
yet. Weeks later we discovered the error.

Is Nanho Purple the same deep, almost black purple as Black Knight?
And just how large does it get? And would you mind passing along the
URL for Blue Stone?

Thanks!

-Fleemo

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. We were away on vacation.
No, Nanho Purple is not the almost black purple you asked for, but I like it
better than the Black Knight that I now have because of its restrained
growing habit and number of blossoms. If you read Tyra's post, you'll find
an excellent description of the plant. BTW, butterfly bushes are extremely
easy to start from cuttings. One of my gardening friends saw it in my yard
and asked me to start a plant for him about six weeks ago. I took a six inch
end cutting from the plant, stripped off the bottom leaves, dipped the stem
in rooting hormone, and put it in a tall three inch put full of Pro Mix. I
then set the pot in a container in the shade with about an inch of water in
the bottom and kept that much water in the container for a couple of weeks.
The plant is now about a foot tall and starting to bloom.

Here's the URL for Bluestone:

http://www.bluestoneperennials.com/c...cgi/index.html

John