I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like "Organic
Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google it
.....

~LeeAnne

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Wow, and pretty disturbed by it and the whole GM (genetically modified)
movement. Turns out that, according to one site, the GM corn contains a
certain gene that protects it from some type of pest. Well... evidently the
GM corn's pollen contains something due to this gene that then gets blown
all over the milkweed that the butterflies frequent and, get this, it alters
the gut of the butterfly turning into more of a sieve than protecting it and
thus allowing pathogens to be released into the butterfly's body.

You can read more he
http://barque.freeyellow.com/monarch.html

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM
products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food
and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food
or non-GM. Yikes!!!

LeeAnne
-who doesn't usually answer her own questions-
-yes you do-
-no I don't-
-stop it-
-stop what?-
lol

"LeeAnne" wrote in message
...
I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like
"Organic
Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google
it
....

~LeeAnne

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It's all bullshit. Monarch butterflies are nowhere near corn when it
pollinates.

LeeAnne wrote:
Wow, and pretty disturbed by it and the whole GM (genetically modified)
movement. Turns out that, according to one site, the GM corn contains a
certain gene that protects it from some type of pest. Well... evidently the
GM corn's pollen contains something due to this gene that then gets blown
all over the milkweed that the butterflies frequent and, get this, it alters
the gut of the butterfly turning into more of a sieve than protecting it and
thus allowing pathogens to be released into the butterfly's body.

You can read more he
http://barque.freeyellow.com/monarch.html

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM
products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food
and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food
or non-GM. Yikes!!!

LeeAnne
-who doesn't usually answer her own questions-
-yes you do-
-no I don't-
-stop it-
-stop what?-
lol

"LeeAnne" wrote in message
...

I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like

"Organic

Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google

it

....

~LeeAnne

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If you're an insomniac, agnostic, dyslexic do you lay
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"LeeAnne" wrote in
:

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating
GM products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in
w/regular food and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their
food 'regular' food or non-GM. Yikes!!

That's why the europeans are risking a tradewar with the US to keep the
foodchains GM-free. I think it won't be too long before it will start to
dawn on your citizens that their food-economy is now addicted to GM.
(The tradewar btw will probably mean that you will not be able to buy GM-
free food from overseas, if you would want that for some reason).

Ursa..

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It's incorrect. I believe it may have said, "Genetic Corn Kills Monarch
Butterflies."


On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:29:46 -0400, "LeeAnne"
wrote:

I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like "Organic
Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google it
....

~LeeAnne

Yes, you certainly are. What do you think we were screaming about when, a year
ago, there were no standards act in place and no labels on anything with
genetically modified corn or any products for that matter.

Of course it was all chalked up to be us tree huggers and all our hysteria.

Welcome to the grand lie.


On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:12:07 -0400, "LeeAnne"
wrote:

Wow, and pretty disturbed by it and the whole GM (genetically modified)
movement. Turns out that, according to one site, the GM corn contains a
certain gene that protects it from some type of pest. Well... evidently the
GM corn's pollen contains something due to this gene that then gets blown
all over the milkweed that the butterflies frequent and, get this, it alters
the gut of the butterfly turning into more of a sieve than protecting it and
thus allowing pathogens to be released into the butterfly's body.

You can read more he
http://barque.freeyellow.com/monarch.html

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM
products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food
and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food
or non-GM. Yikes!!!

LeeAnne
-who doesn't usually answer her own questions-
-yes you do-
-no I don't-
-stop it-
-stop what?-
lol

"LeeAnne" wrote in message
...
I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like
"Organic
Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google
it
....

~LeeAnne

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If you're an insomniac, agnostic, dyslexic do you lay
awake at night wondering if there is a dog?
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Another rocket scientist.


On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:40:04 -0400, "E. Norma Stitz" ""42DD\"@your service.net
wrote:

It's all bullshit. Monarch butterflies are nowhere near corn when it
pollinates.

LeeAnne wrote:
Wow, and pretty disturbed by it and the whole GM (genetically modified)
movement. Turns out that, according to one site, the GM corn contains a
certain gene that protects it from some type of pest. Well... evidently the
GM corn's pollen contains something due to this gene that then gets blown
all over the milkweed that the butterflies frequent and, get this, it alters
the gut of the butterfly turning into more of a sieve than protecting it and
thus allowing pathogens to be released into the butterfly's body.

You can read more he
http://barque.freeyellow.com/monarch.html

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM
products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food
and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food
or non-GM. Yikes!!!

LeeAnne
-who doesn't usually answer her own questions-
-yes you do-
-no I don't-
-stop it-
-stop what?-
lol

"LeeAnne" wrote in message
...

I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like

"Organic

Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google

it

....

~LeeAnne

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If you're an insomniac, agnostic, dyslexic do you lay
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there is a huuuuge difference between GMO(genetically modifyed organism) corn
and "organic corn". They are not the same thing.

Toad

"Marley1372" wrote in message
...
there is a huuuuge difference between GMO(genetically modifyed organism)
corn
and "organic corn". They are not the same thing.

REALLY? I'm sure glad you told us that.

Bob

From: animaux

Yes, you certainly are. What do you think we were screaming about when, a
year
ago, there were no standards act in place and no labels on anything with
genetically modified corn or any products for that matter.

Of course it was all chalked up to be us tree huggers and all our hysteria.

Welcome to the grand lie.


On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:12:07 -0400, "LeeAnne"
wrote:

Wow, and pretty disturbed by it and the whole GM (genetically modified)
movement. Turns out that, according to one site, the GM corn contains a
certain gene that protects it from some type of pest. Well... evidently the
GM corn's pollen contains something due to this gene that then gets blown
all over the milkweed that the butterflies frequent and, get this, it alters
the gut of the butterfly turning into more of a sieve than protecting it and
thus allowing pathogens to be released into the butterfly's body.

You can read more he
http://barque.freeyellow.com/monarch.html

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM
products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food
and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food
or non-GM. Yikes!!!

LeeAnne
-who doesn't usually answer her own questions-
-yes you do-
-no I don't-
-stop it-
-stop what?-
lol

"LeeAnne" wrote in message
...
I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like
"Organic
Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google

Everyone had better face the fact that unless there is a major cataclysm and a
drastic reduction in the worlds population, the continued growth of population
means that conventional agriculture will not be able to keep up with the
increased demand. Bio-engineered food plants are inevitable, like it or not.
Without the advantages in production gained throug bioengineering we will not
be able to sustain our future population. So wake up to the facrts of life and
smell the roses--they are edible so you can eat them too--some day you may have
to.

It doesn't take rocket science to determine where GM corn is grown, and
to determine the approximate time that it pollinates. It's not real
hard to find out where Monarch butterflies are at that time, either, and
to realize that they aren't anywhere near the corn.

animaux wrote:
Another rocket scientist.


On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:40:04 -0400, "E. Norma Stitz" ""42DD\"@your service.net
wrote:


It's all bullshit. Monarch butterflies are nowhere near corn when it
pollinates.

LeeAnne wrote:

Wow, and pretty disturbed by it and the whole GM (genetically modified)
movement. Turns out that, according to one site, the GM corn contains a
certain gene that protects it from some type of pest. Well... evidently the
GM corn's pollen contains something due to this gene that then gets blown
all over the milkweed that the butterflies frequent and, get this, it alters
the gut of the butterfly turning into more of a sieve than protecting it and
thus allowing pathogens to be released into the butterfly's body.

You can read more he
http://barque.freeyellow.com/monarch.html

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM
products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food
and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food
or non-GM. Yikes!!!

LeeAnne
-who doesn't usually answer her own questions-
-yes you do-
-no I don't-
-stop it-
-stop what?-
lol

"LeeAnne" wrote in message
...


I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like

"Organic


Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google

it


....

~LeeAnne

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If you're an insomniac, agnostic, dyslexic do you lay
awake at night wondering if there is a dog?
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"LeeAnne" expounded:

What disturbs me the most is the fact that we are all probably eating GM
products and have no clue that we are since they mix it in w/regular food
and the regular food folks aren't allowed to call their food 'regular' food
or non-GM. Yikes!!!

There is a really good little newsletter, free, at
http://www.organicconsumers.org/organicbytes.htm , and it'll keep you
up to date in the fight over GM foods and other related organic food
issues. It's amazing what the US is trying to do the world food
supply.....and that statement is from me, a fairly conservative
person. Reading that newsletter really makes you think.....

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

WOW, now we have GM trolls putting out bumperstickers!!!!


"LeeAnne" wrote in message
...
I saw a bumper sticker on a car yesterday that said something like
"Organic
Corn Kills Monarch Butterflies, What Next?!?!"

Anybody have any input on this? Anybody heard of this? I'm off to google
it
....

~LeeAnne

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If you're an insomniac, agnostic, dyslexic do you lay
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hey bob, I was just pointing it out to the poster who seemed to be confused
about it. You dont need to go jazewski on me. Next time I will research and
make sure what I post is something that you dont already know to keep things
exciting.

Toad

actually. my students prepared and debated the whole GMO question this summer after
seeing a PBS frontline "Harvest of Fear". here is syllabus with links to PBS site
for this frontline, and further down is discussion of the green revolution and
problems with growing food by the principles of the green revolution.
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/w.../syllabus.html
GMO or genetically modified foods have been banned until recently in most of the
world except the US (Monsanto's home court). Now GMO food are allowed in some EU
countries as long as they are labeled as GMO foods.
Monsanto et all took the gene out of Bt that kills caterpillars and put that gene
into corn seed. Every cell in the corn now produces the lethal protein so anything
chewing on any part of the corn will die. Those cells includes pollen from corn.
Monarchs primarily eat milkweed and most milkweed grows between and around corn
fields. a researcher showed in the lab that milkweed sprinkled with the pollen of Bt
corn would runt and/or kill monarch caterpillars. regular Bt is indiscriminate in
killing all caterpillars. Corn pollen is carried by wind, altho not very far.
a few things are terribly wrong with inserting Bt into corn besides losing a
significant number of Monarchs.
1. First, the protein is a likely allergen and for that reason has been licensed for
use in animals only. "StarLink corn contains a protein called Cry9C that scientists
say could cause allergies to some people. For this reason, it is only licensed for
use as animal food.... Nearly 300 kinds of taco shells, tortillas, chips and tostadas
were recalled from U.S. grocery stores and restaurants, including Kraft taco shells
(sold under the Taco Bell brand name), Safeway store brand products, and foods from
Wendy’s and Applebee’s restaurants. In the U.S., no one knows for sure how much
StarLink is in the food supply, though in Iowa alone, experts say that up to half of
the state’s 2 billion bushels of corn may be contaminated. "
It is a basic problem people with allergies have. They need to know what is in their
food, especially "whole" foods if they are to keep themselves healthy.
2. Bt is an organic control for pests. Organic farmers and those who practice
integrated pest management apply Bt when needed and then the bacteria washes off the
food and for other reasons this kind of usage makes it unlikely resistance will
evolve. By integrating the protein into the plant insects will quickly develop
resistance, thereby depriving current and future generations of organic and IPM
farmers of a useful and earth friendly pest control. In essence, they have taken one
of the best insecticides and are cashing in on it now leaving everyone else without
that "magic bullet" forever. It is like somebody taking an effective antibiotic
against a deadly disease and feeding their cattle with it even tho the cattle dont
have an infection, but by virtue of the circulating levels antibiotic resistant
bacteria will develop and then when people really need that antibiotic it is useless.

3. Corn pollen is mobile. Bt pollen contaminates surrounding fields so those
farmers corn is not Bt free. The contaminated farmers cannot collect damages.
4. Genes "jump". There are things called transposons which move genes from plants
to plants. http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ult...ansposons.html
Normally they stay within a species, but having moved the gene from bacteria to corn
it has been forced to jump the species barrier. This makes it more likely the Bt
protein is going to jump from corn to other plants.
As a scientist, as a minor in molecular genetics I think there are terrific uses for
recombinant DNA technology. Screwing around with our food isnt one of them. Ingrid


"E. Norma Stitz" ""42DD\"@your service.net wrote:
It's all bullshit. Monarch butterflies are nowhere near corn when it
pollinates.


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