Hi the group. I have some questions about garden work. This is my
first house and I didn't have any gardening experience before.
I've seen a lot of clovers on my front yard. I'm afraid they will
eventully kill the grasses. I haven't yet put down the Scotts' 2nd
phase stuff (called Turf Bulder with plus 2 weed control), due to the
weather reason. But I plan to do it this wkend. On the product
description, it says it will control the white clover. Do you think it
will kill those annoying clovers? Is there any other way to get ride
of them? I'm afraid to manually remove, since it will tear up my lawn
too.
Thanks

Clover is one of the nicest things one can have in a lawn. It is a nitrogen
binder, which means that it actually helps fertilize your lawn. Plus, it is
a very very difficult plant to remove totally from your lawn--it will take
several applications of herbicide to do the trick. This is my humble
opinion, but I would think twice about removing it and rather think about
trying to live with it.

Philosopher

"NetComm888" wrote in message
m...
Hi the group. I have some questions about garden work. This is my
first house and I didn't have any gardening experience before.
I've seen a lot of clovers on my front yard. I'm afraid they will
eventully kill the grasses. I haven't yet put down the Scotts' 2nd
phase stuff (called Turf Bulder with plus 2 weed control), due to the
weather reason. But I plan to do it this wkend. On the product
description, it says it will control the white clover. Do you think it
will kill those annoying clovers? Is there any other way to get ride
of them? I'm afraid to manually remove, since it will tear up my lawn
too.
Thanks

Clover will not kill the grass. Clover is beneficial to a lawn. The
people who object to it probably don't like the white flowers. If you
are in a community where everyone has a perfect lawn, they probably have
lawn services to do the dirty work. If everyone doesn't have a perfect
lawn, why should you be different?

Manually removing weeds will indeed leave a hole in your lawn. For about
a week. The grass, assuming it's healthy, will move in and cover the
hole fairly rapidly.

[rant] You really have to ask yourself: what are you going to do with
your lawn? Are you going to use it or is it just for show? If it's a
cosmetic feature of your property, then just let whatever's green grow
there. It will all look the same from the road. If you are going to use
it (kids playing, barbeques, lawn parties, croquet, whatever) you want
to match the grass surface to its intended use (heavy use from kids,
short trimmed grass for croquet, etc.). If the kids are going to play on
the lawn do you want it covered with pesticides for the insects and
weeds? Live with the imperfections. [end rant]

Don't cut the grass too short. Longer grass will shade out weeds more
quickly and is more resistant to browning in the dry summer months.




NetComm888 wrote:

Hi the group. I have some questions about garden work. This is my
first house and I didn't have any gardening experience before.
I've seen a lot of clovers on my front yard. I'm afraid they will
eventully kill the grasses. I haven't yet put down the Scotts' 2nd
phase stuff (called Turf Bulder with plus 2 weed control), due to the
weather reason. But I plan to do it this wkend. On the product
description, it says it will control the white clover. Do you think it
will kill those annoying clovers? Is there any other way to get ride
of them? I'm afraid to manually remove, since it will tear up my lawn
too.
Thanks

If you have TRUE clover, it will NOT kill the grass! In fact it will
HELP keep the grass growing. Clover is NOT a weed. I've seen lots of
public places that have clover in their lawns so they don't have to
feed it as much.


--
Dragons Must Fly when Thread's in the Sky

www.starlords.org

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I've seen a lot of clovers on my front yard. I'm afraid they will
eventully kill the grasses. I


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Clover will not kill the grass. Clover is beneficial to a lawn. The
people who object to it probably don't like the white flowers.

The flowers are not the problem. It's the blasted bees! Bees and
children do not mix well.

-Chris

NetComm888 wrote:
Hi the group. I have some questions about garden work. This is my
first house and I didn't have any gardening experience before.
I've seen a lot of clovers on my front yard. I'm afraid they will
eventully kill the grasses. I haven't yet put down the Scotts' 2nd
phase stuff (called Turf Bulder with plus 2 weed control), due to the
weather reason. But I plan to do it this wkend. On the product
description, it says it will control the white clover. Do you think it
will kill those annoying clovers? Is there any other way to get ride
of them? I'm afraid to manually remove, since it will tear up my lawn
too.
Thanks

What is wrong with clover?

--
Travis in Shoreline Washington

We have clover and bees and three kids and all co-exist peacefully. The
kids just needed to learn how to behave around them.

philosopher

"C.Swartz" wrote in message
...
dps ) wrote...
Clover will not kill the grass. Clover is beneficial to a lawn. The
people who object to it probably don't like the white flowers.

The flowers are not the problem. It's the blasted bees! Bees and
children do not mix well.

-Chris

Exactly. It's just like teaching kids about all the other large and small
dangers of the world. During the short time the clover is in bloom, they
should wear sandals and/or watch were they are stepping. It's an excellent
opportunity to teach them about what bees do, and why they are so important
in the grand scheme of things.

A lot of people have an almost irrational fear of bees and wasps, yet they
will unhesitatingly drive on the freeway and engage in other everyday risky
behaviors. I love to amaze the neighborhood kids by gently "petting"
bumblebees (a warm day, a good nectar/pollen source, and a gently touch, and
the bees will ignore you) and teaching them how to peacefully co-exist with
these creatures. If you don't panic and flail around, the bees and wasps
generally would prefer to leave you alone as well.

If you inadvertently disturb a yellowjacket nest, it can be a bit
problematic, I admit. If you are allergic to the venom, you have a
legitimate cause for concern, of course, but otherwise, what's the big deal?
I have loads of flowering plants, and rotting fallen fruit in the fall, and
I get stung perhaps once a summer, if that. It hurts for a bit, then it
goes away.

Sue

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"philosopher" wrote in message
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We have clover and bees and three kids and all co-exist peacefully. The
kids just needed to learn how to behave around them.

philosopher

Clover is not an ingredient of lawn seeds~~only for fields and paddocks for
cattle or hay.
It brings problems. When only slightly damp it is treacherously slippery.
When the lawn tends to dry, and become a little brown, the clover remains
green and makes ugly patches. It does fix nitrogen from the atmosphere but
does not share this till dead.
With a relatively small area it can be raked to expose the main stem and
this can be cut off just below ground level.
If you were a green-keeper with visible clover, you would be suspended~~
at least till the rope breaks!!
Best Wishes
"NetComm888" wrote in message
m...
Hi the group. I have some questions about garden work. This is my
first house and I didn't have any gardening experience before.
I've seen a lot of clovers on my front yard. I'm afraid they will
eventully kill the grasses. I haven't yet put down the Scotts' 2nd
phase stuff (called Turf Bulder with plus 2 weed control), due to the
weather reason. But I plan to do it this wkend. On the product
description, it says it will control the white clover. Do you think it
will kill those annoying clovers? Is there any other way to get ride
of them? I'm afraid to manually remove, since it will tear up my lawn
too.
Thanks

"SugarChile" wrote in message ...
Agreed. Clover used to be commonly included in grass seed mixes, until
herbicide companies started promoting the concept of a monoculture lawn in
order to sell more product.

I find that the wild rabbits prefer clover in the lawn to almost anything
else, and it helps keep them out of the vegetable garden.

Sue

yes. And groundhogs and deer too. It is good to have clover around.

In article , "philosopher"
wrote:

We have clover and bees and three kids and all co-exist peacefully. The
kids just needed to learn how to behave around them.

philosopher

My great-grandparents had honeybees, plus there were wild bees all over
heck. We learned a healthy respect for short-tempered hornets, but the
bees were innocuous. Grampa owned all this protective equipment he
could've worn while working with the hives, but he never bothered to put
any of it on.

One family member had a bee allergy & being stung could have meant a
headlong rush for the hospital or he'd choke to death. Or so everyone
said, & he certainly was scared of the bees. Bu such an emergency never to
my recollection ever actually happened.

Anyhow, if Chris's idea of getting rid of clover because it attracts bees
made any sense, so would getting rid of ALL flowers & fruit trees of any
kind. In my garden I plant things TO attract pollinators, & bee-watching
can be as much fun as bird-watching. I'll even reach out & pet the bees
as they glean flowers.

-paghat the ratgirl

"C.Swartz" wrote in message
...
dps ) wrote...
Clover will not kill the grass. Clover is beneficial to a lawn. The
people who object to it probably don't like the white flowers.

The flowers are not the problem. It's the blasted bees! Bees and
children do not mix well.

-Chris

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

When I was a kid and we lived in West Los Angeles, we had over 100
roses that bloomed all year round and we had a good sized viggie
garden too, and we always had bees around, and during the almost 10
years at that address, none of us got stung by a bee.


--
Dragons Must Fly when Thread's in the Sky

www.starlords.org

"SugarChile" wrote in message
...
Exactly. It's just like teaching kids about all the other large and
small
dangers of the world. During the short time the clover is in bloom,
they
should wear sandals and/or watch were they are stepping. It's an
excellent
opportunity to teach them about what bees do, and why they are so
important
in the grand scheme of things.

A lot of people have an almost irrational fear of bees and wasps,
yet they
will unhesitatingly drive on the freeway and engage in other
everyday risky
behaviors. I love to amaze the neighborhood kids by gently
"petting"
bumblebees (a warm day, a good nectar/pollen source, and a gently
touch, and
the bees will ignore you) and teaching them how to peacefully
co-exist with
these creatures. If you don't panic and flail around, the bees and
wasps
generally would prefer to leave you alone as well.

If you inadvertently disturb a yellowjacket nest, it can be a bit
problematic, I admit. If you are allergic to the venom, you have a
legitimate cause for concern, of course, but otherwise, what's the
big deal?
I have loads of flowering plants, and rotting fallen fruit in the
fall, and
I get stung perhaps once a summer, if that. It hurts for a bit,
then it
goes away.

Sue

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"philosopher" wrote in message
...
We have clover and bees and three kids and all co-exist
peacefully. The
kids just needed to learn how to behave around them.

philosopher





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Agreed. Clover used to be commonly included in grass seed mixes, until
herbicide companies started promoting the concept of a monoculture lawn in
order to sell more product.

I find that the wild rabbits prefer clover in the lawn to almost anything
else, and it helps keep them out of the vegetable garden.

Sue

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"philosopher" wrote in message
...
Clover is one of the nicest things one can have in a lawn. It is a
nitrogen
binder, which means that it actually helps fertilize your lawn. Plus, it
is
a very very difficult plant to remove totally from your lawn--it will take
several applications of herbicide to do the trick. This is my humble
opinion, but I would think twice about removing it and rather think about
trying to live with it.

Philosopher

"NetComm888" wrote in message
m...
Hi the group. I have some questions about garden work. This is my
first house and I didn't have any gardening experience before.
I've seen a lot of clovers on my front yard. I'm afraid they will
eventully kill the grasses. I haven't yet put down the Scotts' 2nd
phase stuff (called Turf Bulder with plus 2 weed control), due to the
weather reason. But I plan to do it this wkend. On the product
description, it says it will control the white clover. Do you think it
will kill those annoying clovers? Is there any other way to get ride
of them? I'm afraid to manually remove, since it will tear up my lawn
too.
Thanks

"C.Swartz" wrote in message
...
dps ) wrote...
Clover will not kill the grass. Clover is beneficial to a lawn. The
people who object to it probably don't like the white flowers.

The flowers are not the problem. It's the blasted bees! Bees and
children do not mix well.

-Chris

Bees, butterflies, birds and children DO mix very well! Teach the children
respect, consideration and gentleness. They will then learn what the bees
already know.

Sherman.

I thought this was a topic a couple of weeks ago.
Clover will not kill the grass but with the slightest dampness is
treacherously slippery.
Another problem arises when the grass becomes slightly brown in the summer,
then the still very green, clover will look out of place. "Patchy" and
doesn't look right. Clover does fix atmospheric nitrogen but this is not
released till death.
A 'greensman' would throw a fit!!
Best Wishes.
"Sherman" wrote in message
...

"C.Swartz" wrote in message
...
dps ) wrote...
Clover will not kill the grass. Clover is beneficial to a lawn. The
people who object to it probably don't like the white flowers.

The flowers are not the problem. It's the blasted bees! Bees and
children do not mix well.

-Chris

Bees, butterflies, birds and children DO mix very well! Teach the
children
respect, consideration and gentleness. They will then learn what the bees
already know.

Sherman.