I have a Simplicity lawn tractor and have two tire problems. One
about air and the other about water.

I patched one tire that had a hole in it with one of those patch
kits you use a forked screwdriver to push the patch in. The hole
was on the side wall, between treads, and doesn't seem to be
holding. I applied more rubber cement on the outside, but air
still leaks through.
If I have to replace the tire, how to I get it off? The wheel
doesn't seem to un attach from the axle. Do I need a tire iron, or
do I just yank it off?
Is it OK to pump in some of that fix-a-flat stuff?

Second, when I went to put air in the rear tire, I hear water
sloshing. So I let the water out. And there was a lot of it, and I
couldn't get the water below the valve stem.
What the heck is going on? How did the water get in, and how do I
get it out?

TIA

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"do$feratu" wrote in message
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I have a Simplicity lawn tractor and have two tire problems. One
about air and the other about water.

I patched one tire that had a hole in it with one of those patch
kits you use a forked screwdriver to push the patch in. The hole
was on the side wall, between treads, and doesn't seem to be
holding. I applied more rubber cement on the outside, but air
still leaks through.
If I have to replace the tire, how to I get it off? The wheel
doesn't seem to un attach from the axle. Do I need a tire iron, or
do I just yank it off?
Is it OK to pump in some of that fix-a-flat stuff?

Second, when I went to put air in the rear tire, I hear water
sloshing. So I let the water out. And there was a lot of it, and I
couldn't get the water below the valve stem.
What the heck is going on? How did the water get in, and how do I
get it out?

TIA

--
Pat Lundrigan
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:26:43 -0400, "do$feratu"
wrote:

I have a Simplicity lawn tractor and have two tire problems. One
about air and the other about water.

I patched one tire that had a hole in it with one of those patch
kits you use a forked screwdriver to push the patch in. The hole
was on the side wall, between treads, and doesn't seem to be
holding. I applied more rubber cement on the outside, but air
still leaks through.
If I have to replace the tire, how to I get it off? The wheel
doesn't seem to un attach from the axle. Do I need a tire iron, or
do I just yank it off?
Is it OK to pump in some of that fix-a-flat stuff?

Second, when I went to put air in the rear tire, I hear water
sloshing. So I let the water out. And there was a lot of it, and I
couldn't get the water below the valve stem.
What the heck is going on? How did the water get in, and how do I
get it out?

Both your problems are due to the fact that the tire is NOT a tubeless
tire, so you can't patch it by sticking a tubeless patch through the
sidewall. (The patch kit is not used to patch a sidewall anyway - just
the tread area of a tubeless tire!) Second, you can't stop the air
leak by gluing the outside of the tire. The tube inside is likely
trash - it is probably split wide open by now. The water has gotten
between the tube and the tire because the tire was flat and couldn't
seal against the wheel.

At the minimum you need a new tube. Because you poked a hole in the
tire I strongly suggest you replace the tire. If the inside of the
wheel has rusted because of the water you need to sand it smooth and
repaint it or the rust will puncture your new tube.

To get it off? Don't exactly know, but you should be able to easily
work it off with all the air out once the wheel is off the ground. You
have to make sure the tire bead 180 degrees across from where you are
pulling has dropped down into the central groove of the wheel to give
you the slack you need to pull the tire away from the wheel.

If this is all beyond your abilities take it to a small engine shop
and have them fix it for you. Ask to watch. It ain't rocket science,
but from your post I know you need to get some basic education about
how the wheel and tire go together,

Finally, check your tire pressures monthly and don't let them get too
low or you will ruin the tubes and possibly the tires. And have to do
this all over again ;(



John Davies
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA

With large tractors water is deliberately inserted into the tyres to
maintain a low centre of gravity. I would not have thought this was the case
with your lawn tractor~~ but might be wrong.
Brian.
"John Davies" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:26:43 -0400, "do$feratu"
wrote:

I have a Simplicity lawn tractor and have two tire problems. One
about air and the other about water.

I patched one tire that had a hole in it with one of those patch
kits you use a forked screwdriver to push the patch in. The hole
was on the side wall, between treads, and doesn't seem to be
holding. I applied more rubber cement on the outside, but air
still leaks through.
If I have to replace the tire, how to I get it off? The wheel
doesn't seem to un attach from the axle. Do I need a tire iron, or
do I just yank it off?
Is it OK to pump in some of that fix-a-flat stuff?

Second, when I went to put air in the rear tire, I hear water
sloshing. So I let the water out. And there was a lot of it, and I
couldn't get the water below the valve stem.
What the heck is going on? How did the water get in, and how do I
get it out?

Both your problems are due to the fact that the tire is NOT a tubeless
tire, so you can't patch it by sticking a tubeless patch through the
sidewall. (The patch kit is not used to patch a sidewall anyway - just
the tread area of a tubeless tire!) Second, you can't stop the air
leak by gluing the outside of the tire. The tube inside is likely
trash - it is probably split wide open by now. The water has gotten
between the tube and the tire because the tire was flat and couldn't
seal against the wheel.

At the minimum you need a new tube. Because you poked a hole in the
tire I strongly suggest you replace the tire. If the inside of the
wheel has rusted because of the water you need to sand it smooth and
repaint it or the rust will puncture your new tube.

To get it off? Don't exactly know, but you should be able to easily
work it off with all the air out once the wheel is off the ground. You
have to make sure the tire bead 180 degrees across from where you are
pulling has dropped down into the central groove of the wheel to give
you the slack you need to pull the tire away from the wheel.

If this is all beyond your abilities take it to a small engine shop
and have them fix it for you. Ask to watch. It ain't rocket science,
but from your post I know you need to get some basic education about
how the wheel and tire go together,

Finally, check your tire pressures monthly and don't let them get too
low or you will ruin the tubes and possibly the tires. And have to do
this all over again ;(



John Davies
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA

I take my wheels ~ to the Simplicity dealer and they fix them / change them,
etc. I am in love with my ol' ('72) Simplicity! Get the mechanic to put in
tubes, they don't come that way and will keep going flat if you gon't get
tubes in them. It helps a whole lot. Sherman.


"do$feratu" wrote in message
...
I have a Simplicity lawn tractor and have two tire problems. One
about air and the other about water.

I patched one tire that had a hole in it with one of those patch
kits you use a forked screwdriver to push the patch in. The hole
was on the side wall, between treads, and doesn't seem to be
holding. I applied more rubber cement on the outside, but air
still leaks through.
If I have to replace the tire, how to I get it off? The wheel
doesn't seem to un attach from the axle. Do I need a tire iron, or
do I just yank it off?
Is it OK to pump in some of that fix-a-flat stuff?

Second, when I went to put air in the rear tire, I hear water
sloshing. So I let the water out. And there was a lot of it, and I
couldn't get the water below the valve stem.
What the heck is going on? How did the water get in, and how do I
get it out?

TIA

--
Pat Lundrigan
change $ to s to email

I take my wheels ~ to the Simplicity dealer and they fix them / change them,
etc. I am in love with my ol' ('72) Simplicity! Get the mechanic to put in
tubes, they don't come that way and will keep going flat if you gon't get
tubes in them. It helps a whole lot. Sherman.


"do$feratu" wrote in message
...
I have a Simplicity lawn tractor and have two tire problems. One
about air and the other about water.

I patched one tire that had a hole in it with one of those patch
kits you use a forked screwdriver to push the patch in. The hole
was on the side wall, between treads, and doesn't seem to be
holding. I applied more rubber cement on the outside, but air
still leaks through.
If I have to replace the tire, how to I get it off? The wheel
doesn't seem to un attach from the axle. Do I need a tire iron, or
do I just yank it off?
Is it OK to pump in some of that fix-a-flat stuff?

Second, when I went to put air in the rear tire, I hear water
sloshing. So I let the water out. And there was a lot of it, and I
couldn't get the water below the valve stem.
What the heck is going on? How did the water get in, and how do I
get it out?

TIA

--
Pat Lundrigan
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In article ,
says...
With large tractors water is deliberately inserted into the tyres to
maintain a low centre of gravity. I would not have thought this was the case
with your lawn tractor~~ but might be wrong.
Brian.
Actually, it's usually a saline solution (to prevent
freezing), and EXTREMELY corrosive.

Have not ever seen it used in lawn tractors, and even
uncommon in farm tractors these days.
--
Mark

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Your perception may be different.

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:54:41 -0400, Mark
wrote:

===In article ,
says...
=== With large tractors water is deliberately inserted into the tyres to
=== maintain a low centre of gravity. I would not have thought this was the case
=== with your lawn tractor~~ but might be wrong.
=== Brian.
===Actually, it's usually a saline solution (to prevent
===freezing), and EXTREMELY corrosive.
===
===Have not ever seen it used in lawn tractors, and even
===uncommon in farm tractors these days.

They usually use calcium chloride to fill tires for ballast. Its not
uncommon to find lawn and garden tractors with filled tires either
especially if they are used with any ground engaging implements or
snow blowers etc. Another thing thats commonly used in smaller amounts
in smaller tires is windshield washer anti freeze.

Calcium chloride is extremely corrosive, and a leak can cause quite a
problem in a rim further down the road, so its best to use it in tubes
insteadof in tubeless type tires to keep it away from the steel
wheels.
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