"JMagerl" wrote in message
...
Not to change the topic, but could you explain why a tissue culture would
perform differently than a plant division? I though tissue cultures were
an
exact clone.


In some plants the tissue culture performs well. However it has been proven
by daylily growers that there is a percentage of so called clones, tissue
cultured plant, that have problems with the plant performance. I have
bought a cloned daylily from say, Wal Mart that did not even bloom. But
others have bought the same named variety from Wal Mart that is performing
well. Sometimes the depth of color saturation is not the same as the
original by plant division. Sometimes the flower form just is not as
perfect, ruffled, large bloom, good performance upon opening in the AM etc,
as the division plant. I suppose the cause has to do with the process.
Perhaps an imperfect process in the lab can mutate cloned piece. I don't
know if anyone has even said definitively what causes the problem. Daylily
growers only know it happens when the plant is grown. Also for the serious
daylily grower, [as opposed to a gardener that wants to enjoy a plant at a
reasonable price] some tissue cultured plants have been sold in the upper
markets as true divisions at the true division price. You can see how that
can cause a problem in the daylily market where prices are originally very
high.

Wil

I think they are gorgeous. and I dont really like froo-froo either. but my mother
is nuts about day lilies and her's are all wildly in bloom while she is in a hospital
right now still dont know what is going on. Ingrid

"Bobby Baxter" wrote:

http://franksmithdaylilies.com

Moments ago we updated the Frank Smith Daylilies web site with his fall 2004
introductions. If you are interested in seeing some of the most sought
after daylilies on this planet then you should take look. These are some
remarkable beauties and many will be sold out within the next 48 hours and
the $200 prices do not deter the diehard daylily fanatics.

Enjoy,

Bobby



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In article ,
Frogleg wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:39:26 GMT, (Cat)
wrote:

Leaving aside the question of whether advertising in this group is a
good thing, I have to say that these daylilies look... well - rather like
dustcovers ;

?? The flowers don't look like book jackets to me at all. Did you
mean dustmop? :-)

Heh ; No - I'm thinking of the wretchedly ruffled victorian mostrosities
that they used to put on -everything- to "keep the dust off" ;

With some 50,000 hemerocallis cultivars, there's bound to be
considerable straying from the original(?) orange ditch-lily. I
thought they were rather interesting. Not $200 interesting, but if
someone planted one in my yard, I wouldn't dig it up. :-)

Heh. If I'm going to spend $200, I think I'd buy peonies ;

http://www.pivoinescapano.com/

cheers!
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desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to
avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."

On 7/21/04 1:06 PM, in article , "Cat"
wrote:

In article ,
Frogleg wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:39:26 GMT, (Cat)
wrote:

Leaving aside the question of whether advertising in this group is a
good thing, I have to say that these daylilies look... well - rather like
dustcovers ;

?? The flowers don't look like book jackets to me at all. Did you
mean dustmop? :-)

Heh ; No - I'm thinking of the wretchedly ruffled victorian mostrosities
that they used to put on -everything- to "keep the dust off" ;

With some 50,000 hemerocallis cultivars, there's bound to be
considerable straying from the original(?) orange ditch-lily. I
thought they were rather interesting. Not $200 interesting, but if
someone planted one in my yard, I wouldn't dig it up. :-)

Heh. If I'm going to spend $200, I think I'd buy peonies ;

http://www.pivoinescapano.com/

cheers!
My DH is going to shoot you - I want Green Halo!

Cheryl

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
http://www.pivoinescapano.com/

My DH is going to shoot you - I want Green Halo!

Heh. I haven't told my spouse that I'm looking at:

http://www.goldenport.com/peony/tpwt02f.htm
http://www.goldenport.com/peony/tprd10f.htm
http://www.goldenport.com/peony/tprd38.htm

yet....

cheers!
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"A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound
desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to
avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."

frankly I prefur the nice clumps of day lilies I get at my garden
center for $10.00 and I get a nice selection of colors and mine
bloom quite nicely for almost three and a half weeks and some times I
get late stalks with nice blooms after even that
if he gets some one to pay that price per plant than those folks are
crazy and he's a damn genius

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:24:40 GMT, "Vox Humana"
wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
news:SGkLc.113795$WX.60069@attbi_s51...

"Bobby Baxter" wrote in message
.com...
http://franksmithdaylilies.com

Moments ago we updated the Frank Smith Daylilies web site with his fall
2004
introductions. If you are interested in seeing some of the most sought
after daylilies on this planet then you should take look. These are
some
remarkable beauties and many will be sold out within the next 48 hours
and
the $200 prices do not deter the diehard daylily fanatics.

I don't like them, they look like diseased mutants~


There were some that I would be happy to own, but not at that price. I
can't see planting daylilies as specimen plants. I like them in large
clumps that can be viewed at a distance. If you only have a couple plants,
they bloom for three days and then are gone. Large clumps give a nice
display for two or three weeks.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:06:31 GMT, (Cat)
wrote:

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
http://www.pivoinescapano.com/

My DH is going to shoot you - I want Green Halo!

Heh. I haven't told my spouse that I'm looking at:

http://www.goldenport.com/peony/tpwt02f.htm
http://www.goldenport.com/peony/tprd10f.htm
http://www.goldenport.com/peony/tprd38.htm

yet....
I like the last one they are very pretty

cheers!

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:19:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Seriously! For fifteen bucks, you can buy "Hyperion", one of the most
gorgeous yellow daylillies in existence.

Here Here I agree Cheers

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
These are some remarkable beauties and many will be sold out within the
next
48 hours and the $200 prices do not deter the diehard daylily fanatics.

$200 for a daylily? Vey is mir. What are they made of?
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

just proovs I'd never make it rubbing elbows with the rich gardeners
I'm just too satisfied with the old tried and true although I have a
very pretty canna that I got from a friend and it is doing quite well
and I get a lot of ooo's and ahhh's from the neighbors
but I think that it's just not worth it to pay through the nose for a
fancy flower like that unless you are a nursery who plans to grow and
sell it it's like paying two hundred and fifty dollars for some sort
of new sneaker or six thousand dollars for a suit just to wear once I
guess if you have nothing better to do with your money go ahead go
crazy

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:23:47 -0400, "Wil" wrote:

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
These are some remarkable beauties and many will be sold out within the
next
48 hours and the $200 prices do not deter the diehard daylily fanatics.

$200 for a daylily? Vey is mir. What are they made of?
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Any new cultivar of any new plant variety is pricy. New hybrids of
daylilies are no exception. The serious hybridizer, seller, grower will buy
a cutting edge daylily for its genes that produce a new color, new eye
pattern, maximum bud counts and branching. They want to use in their own
crosses or increase it to sell while the price is still high.

Also there are always the elite gardeners that want the first of any
cultivar. Have you checked the price of a new, non tissue cultured Hosta,
or a new non tissue cultured Iris? Or even any new non tissue cultured
perennial? Oh heck, have you checked the licensing price the garden center
must pay to be able to grow and sell The Wave petunia? Those $200 daylilies
are priced that way because there are only a hand full of that particular
cultivar in the whole world. Not making excuses for the prissiness, but
explaining why there is a market for those high priced lovelies.

Wil

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder like some one said but that
is sad she is sick when her favorite flowers are in bloom i'd be sad
if I missed my lilies get her a boquet for us and send our best
regards
tell her to get well soon
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:03:11 GMT, wrote:

I think they are gorgeous. and I dont really like froo-froo either. but my mother
is nuts about day lilies and her's are all wildly in bloom while she is in a hospital
right now still dont know what is going on. Ingrid

"Bobby Baxter" wrote:

http://franksmithdaylilies.com

Moments ago we updated the Frank Smith Daylilies web site with his fall 2004
introductions. If you are interested in seeing some of the most sought
after daylilies on this planet then you should take look. These are some
remarkable beauties and many will be sold out within the next 48 hours and
the $200 prices do not deter the diehard daylily fanatics.

Enjoy,

Bobby



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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

"Bobby Baxter" wrote in message
.com...
http://franksmithdaylilies.com

Moments ago we updated the Frank Smith Daylilies web site with his fall
2004
introductions. If you are interested in seeing some of the most sought
after daylilies on this planet then you should take look. These are some
remarkable beauties and many will be sold out within the next 48 hours and
the $200 prices do not deter the diehard daylily fanatics.

Enjoy,

Bobby

I actually like the daylillies but for $200 they better come into my house,
clean it, mop the floors and do windows.

Giselle (I like the daylillies I dig up free in the ditches)

In article , "Volfie"
wrote:

"Bobby Baxter" wrote in message
.com...
http://franksmithdaylilies.com

Moments ago we updated the Frank Smith Daylilies web site with his fall
2004
introductions. If you are interested in seeing some of the most sought
after daylilies on this planet then you should take look. These are some
remarkable beauties and many will be sold out within the next 48 hours and
the $200 prices do not deter the diehard daylily fanatics.

Enjoy,

Bobby

I actually like the daylillies but for $200 they better come into my house,
clean it, mop the floors and do windows.

Giselle (I like the daylillies I dig up free in the ditches)

I felt the same way about the Grant Mitchell daffodil catalog. I mean, is
there even a slightly lowered chance of getting some variety that tips
over if you pay a fortune for one bulb? Not bloody likely. Are these
pricy bulbs REALLY two-hundred times more beautiful than affordable
daffodils? If they were we'd go blind at the very sight of 'em. If I was
rich instead of poor would I not think twice about the price? I'd hope if
I was in a money-blowing mood I'd think more about the needy (I mean, for
the price of one bulb for my selfish self, I could buy a couple dozen
really nice big perennials to give to destitute gardeners).

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

Cheryl Isaak expounded:

My DH is going to shoot you - I want Green Halo!

That is a sweet one! I want veitchii. I had it, and lost it this
past winter.....and had paid $45 for it (ouch!)

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

paghat wrote:
I felt the same way about the Grant Mitchell daffodil catalog. I mean,
is
there even a slightly lowered chance of getting some variety that tips
over if you pay a fortune for one bulb? Not bloody likely. Are these
pricy bulbs REALLY two-hundred times more beautiful than affordable
daffodils? If they were we'd go blind at the very sight of 'em. If I
was
rich instead of poor would I not think twice about the price? I'd hope
if
I was in a money-blowing mood I'd think more about the needy (I mean,
for
the price of one bulb for my selfish self, I could buy a couple dozen
really nice big perennials to give to destitute gardeners).


Personally, I like to get a lot for my money. My friends aren't
impressed by expensive varieties, and people driving by can't tell from
the street, so what would be the purpose?

But I probably have some stuff in my beds that at one time would have
been outlandishly expensive. It's the same as the DVD player I own. I
paid a couple hundred for it, but at one time, people paid a couple
thousands for a DVD player, even though there weren't many DVD's to play
in it. Their money helped pay the R&D costs of the new product,
eventually allowing DVD players to almost become a commodity, and thus
subject to price competition.

The people paying $200 a bulb are paying for the time spent developing
them. As time goes on, the price will go down as new customers are
needed. Eventually the R&D costs will be paid for, and the price will
drop sharply. And someday we may be buying these bulbs by the bagful,
and not put a significant dent in our wallets.

So we can look at this as a tree, and say that we, ourselves, would
never dream of paying that kind of money, or we can look at the forest,
and understand that it's not such an outlandish thing for single bulbs
to cost that much.

(BTW... It's a good thing so many of us are shocked by these prices, and
would never dream of paying them. It's important to have a few people in
the world who will, but if there are too many of them, the price will
never come down.)

--
Warren H.

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On 7/21/04 5:55 PM, in article ,
"Ann" wrote:

Cheryl Isaak expounded:

My DH is going to shoot you - I want Green Halo!

That is a sweet one! I want veitchii. I had it, and lost it this
past winter.....and had paid $45 for it (ouch!)

Ouch! I did lose stuff this winter, only one of them a pricy ($20) daylily.

Cheryl