"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
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Seems like you are saying that this is a human made problem and not a
deer
problem.

Sounds to me like one of your hobbies is ignoring reality. :-)

Here's an example, one which YOU know is typical all over America:

I live in Rochester NY. The population of the city proper is declining
slowly, but remaining pretty much level within the county. Many people
don't
want to live near blacks, gays and Hispanical folks, so even though the
city's full of gorgeous houses and fine neighborhoods, people are moving
to
the suburbs. Twenty years ago, those suburbs were beautiful rolling farm
properties - really productive ones, too. Production was about evenly
divided between dairy feed and vegetables for canning/freezing. Now,
they're
being gobbled up by housing developers. Because many developers are as
dumb
as a bag of hammers, they like to remove the large wooded patches which
existed between the farm properties. Instinctively, this is where deer
spend
much of their time. Ask a hunter about this, or pay attention to where the
deer crossing signs are located along roads.

Here's the tricky part: If there are ten patches of woods in a given area
and you remove eight of them, the deer will still seek out the remaining
two. This is where they find shelter at certain times of day, and food in
particular seasons. If YOU needed a place to sleep in the middle of
January,
you'd head for woods, not an open field.

So, the more they wander, the more interesting things they find, like our
gardens.

Call it a deer problem if you like. It's really an interface problem. I
have
no problem with hunting to control the deer population, but in addition to
that, I think we should regulate what stupid developers are allowed to do
insofar as removing habitat.


Thank you, for exercising the right to actually use that grey stuff in your
head.
Murri

"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
news:QdeNc.167031$IQ4.70974@attbi_s02...


Seems like you are saying that this is a human made problem and not a
deer
problem.

Sounds to me like one of your hobbies is ignoring reality. :-)

Here's an example, one which YOU know is typical all over America:

I live in Rochester NY. The population of the city proper is declining
slowly, but remaining pretty much level within the county. Many people
don't
want to live near blacks, gays and Hispanical folks, so even though the
city's full of gorgeous houses and fine neighborhoods, people are moving
to
the suburbs. Twenty years ago, those suburbs were beautiful rolling farm
properties - really productive ones, too. Production was about evenly
divided between dairy feed and vegetables for canning/freezing. Now,
they're
being gobbled up by housing developers. Because many developers are as
dumb
as a bag of hammers, they like to remove the large wooded patches which
existed between the farm properties. Instinctively, this is where deer
spend
much of their time. Ask a hunter about this, or pay attention to where
the
deer crossing signs are located along roads.

Here's the tricky part: If there are ten patches of woods in a given
area
and you remove eight of them, the deer will still seek out the remaining
two. This is where they find shelter at certain times of day, and food
in
particular seasons. If YOU needed a place to sleep in the middle of
January,
you'd head for woods, not an open field.

So, the more they wander, the more interesting things they find, like
our
gardens.

Call it a deer problem if you like. It's really an interface problem. I
have
no problem with hunting to control the deer population, but in addition
to
that, I think we should regulate what stupid developers are allowed to
do
insofar as removing habitat.


Thank you, for exercising the right to actually use that grey stuff in
your
head.
Murri



I always do. 24x7

"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
news:QdeNc.167031$IQ4.70974@attbi_s02...


Seems like you are saying that this is a human made problem and not a
deer
problem.

Sounds to me like one of your hobbies is ignoring reality. :-)

Here's an example, one which YOU know is typical all over America:

I live in Rochester NY. The population of the city proper is declining
slowly, but remaining pretty much level within the county. Many people
don't
want to live near blacks, gays and Hispanical folks, so even though the
city's full of gorgeous houses and fine neighborhoods, people are moving
to
the suburbs. Twenty years ago, those suburbs were beautiful rolling farm
properties - really productive ones, too. Production was about evenly
divided between dairy feed and vegetables for canning/freezing. Now,
they're
being gobbled up by housing developers. Because many developers are as
dumb
as a bag of hammers, they like to remove the large wooded patches which
existed between the farm properties. Instinctively, this is where deer
spend
much of their time. Ask a hunter about this, or pay attention to where
the
deer crossing signs are located along roads.

Here's the tricky part: If there are ten patches of woods in a given
area
and you remove eight of them, the deer will still seek out the remaining
two. This is where they find shelter at certain times of day, and food
in
particular seasons. If YOU needed a place to sleep in the middle of
January,
you'd head for woods, not an open field.

So, the more they wander, the more interesting things they find, like
our
gardens.

Call it a deer problem if you like. It's really an interface problem. I
have
no problem with hunting to control the deer population, but in addition
to
that, I think we should regulate what stupid developers are allowed to
do
insofar as removing habitat.


Thank you, for exercising the right to actually use that grey stuff in
your
head.
Murri



I always do. 24x7

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
news:QdeNc.167031$IQ4.70974@attbi_s02...


Seems like you are saying that this is a human made problem and not
a
deer
problem.

Sounds to me like one of your hobbies is ignoring reality. :-)

Here's an example, one which YOU know is typical all over America:

I live in Rochester NY. The population of the city proper is declining
slowly, but remaining pretty much level within the county. Many people
don't
want to live near blacks, gays and Hispanical folks, so even though
the
city's full of gorgeous houses and fine neighborhoods, people are
moving
to
the suburbs. Twenty years ago, those suburbs were beautiful rolling
farm
properties - really productive ones, too. Production was about evenly
divided between dairy feed and vegetables for canning/freezing. Now,
they're
being gobbled up by housing developers. Because many developers are as
dumb
as a bag of hammers, they like to remove the large wooded patches
which
existed between the farm properties. Instinctively, this is where deer
spend
much of their time. Ask a hunter about this, or pay attention to where
the
deer crossing signs are located along roads.

Here's the tricky part: If there are ten patches of woods in a given
area
and you remove eight of them, the deer will still seek out the
remaining
two. This is where they find shelter at certain times of day, and food
in
particular seasons. If YOU needed a place to sleep in the middle of
January,
you'd head for woods, not an open field.

So, the more they wander, the more interesting things they find, like
our
gardens.

Call it a deer problem if you like. It's really an interface problem.
I
have
no problem with hunting to control the deer population, but in
addition
to
that, I think we should regulate what stupid developers are allowed to
do
insofar as removing habitat.


Thank you, for exercising the right to actually use that grey stuff in
your
head.
Murri



I always do. 24x7

Shh! That'll get people to killfile you if you aren't careful. ;-)
Murri

Some people swear that deer are repelled by hanging bunches of human hair
around the flower beds. Makes sense, if you consider how much money is spent
by hunters to buy products which suppress their scent while hunting. Anyway,
the hair is free - visit any haircutting salon. Bundle it in pieces of
pantyhose.

Here in NY, it is legal to kill any animal which destroys food crops. A
permit is sometimes required if it's an animal which falls under the hunting
season regulations. And obviously, local laws (and common sense) governing
the discharge of firearms must be observed. But, if you're in a location
where you can imagine a rifle or shotgun being safe to use, call your
state's environmental department and find out what your options are.

Venison is delicious. Got any juniper growing nearby? Or, marinate the meat
with good gin.

"John Bachman" wrote in message
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First they got my blueberries, then they got my raspberries. Now they
are into the vegetable garden. I will not have to be concerned with
my tomato plants getting too tall, nor will I have too many peppers,
beans, butternut and cukes.

Any good remedies before the peaches and pears begin to ripen?

TIA

John

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
news:QdeNc.167031$IQ4.70974@attbi_s02...


Seems like you are saying that this is a human made problem and not a
deer
problem.

Sounds to me like one of your hobbies is ignoring reality. :-)

Here's an example, one which YOU know is typical all over America:

I live in Rochester NY. The population of the city proper is declining
slowly, but remaining pretty much level within the county. Many people
don't
want to live near blacks, gays and Hispanical folks, so even though the
city's full of gorgeous houses and fine neighborhoods, people are moving
to
the suburbs. Twenty years ago, those suburbs were beautiful rolling farm
properties - really productive ones, too. Production was about evenly
divided between dairy feed and vegetables for canning/freezing. Now,
they're
being gobbled up by housing developers. Because many developers are as
dumb

Yes, I know. I used to live in Albany, when the slums were demolished to
make room for the new office buildings, guess where the people moved to?

The last time that I saw Albany, it looked like a blighted and bombed out
city.

Progress?

Ray

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
news:QdeNc.167031$IQ4.70974@attbi_s02...


Seems like you are saying that this is a human made problem and not a
deer
problem.

Sounds to me like one of your hobbies is ignoring reality. :-)

Here's an example, one which YOU know is typical all over America:

I live in Rochester NY. The population of the city proper is declining
slowly, but remaining pretty much level within the county. Many people
don't
want to live near blacks, gays and Hispanical folks, so even though the
city's full of gorgeous houses and fine neighborhoods, people are moving
to
the suburbs. Twenty years ago, those suburbs were beautiful rolling farm
properties - really productive ones, too. Production was about evenly
divided between dairy feed and vegetables for canning/freezing. Now,
they're
being gobbled up by housing developers. Because many developers are as
dumb

Yes, I know. I used to live in Albany, when the slums were demolished to
make room for the new office buildings, guess where the people moved to?

The last time that I saw Albany, it looked like a blighted and bombed out
city.

Progress?

Ray

"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
news:tPSNc.47592$eM2.17936@attbi_s51...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Ray Jestheimier" wrote in message
news:QdeNc.167031$IQ4.70974@attbi_s02...


Seems like you are saying that this is a human made problem and not a
deer
problem.

Sounds to me like one of your hobbies is ignoring reality. :-)

Here's an example, one which YOU know is typical all over America:

I live in Rochester NY. The population of the city proper is declining
slowly, but remaining pretty much level within the county. Many people
don't
want to live near blacks, gays and Hispanical folks, so even though the
city's full of gorgeous houses and fine neighborhoods, people are moving
to
the suburbs. Twenty years ago, those suburbs were beautiful rolling farm
properties - really productive ones, too. Production was about evenly
divided between dairy feed and vegetables for canning/freezing. Now,
they're
being gobbled up by housing developers. Because many developers are as
dumb

Yes, I know. I used to live in Albany, when the slums were demolished to
make room for the new office buildings, guess where the people moved to?

The last time that I saw Albany, it looked like a blighted and bombed out
city.

Progress?

Ray

For people in the cement business, yes. And the politicians they bribe in
return for building permits.

"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message ...
"Sunflower" wrote in message
And deer NEVER get to the point of eating the bark off of trees unless a
bunch of bunny huggers decide to get laws passed the restrict hunting to the
point of non-existence. Same way with other herd type animals.

They over-populate.

WE KILLED OFF ALL THEIR NATURAL PREDATORS.

Amen Bro! I say lets turn loose all those circus and zoo cats and let
them get the deer population back under control!!! And if we loose a
few poodles or small kids, that's a small price to pay!

Bob S.

"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message ...
"Sunflower" wrote in message
And deer NEVER get to the point of eating the bark off of trees unless a
bunch of bunny huggers decide to get laws passed the restrict hunting to the
point of non-existence. Same way with other herd type animals.

They over-populate.

WE KILLED OFF ALL THEIR NATURAL PREDATORS.

Amen Bro! I say lets turn loose all those circus and zoo cats and let
them get the deer population back under control!!! And if we loose a
few poodles or small kids, that's a small price to pay!

Bob S.

"Bob S." wrote in message
om...
"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
...
"Sunflower" wrote in message
And deer NEVER get to the point of eating the bark off of trees unless a
bunch of bunny huggers decide to get laws passed the restrict hunting to
the
point of non-existence. Same way with other herd type animals.

They over-populate.

WE KILLED OFF ALL THEIR NATURAL PREDATORS.

Amen Bro! I say lets turn loose all those circus and zoo cats and let
them get the deer population back under control!!! And if we loose a
few poodles or small kids, that's a small price to pay!

Bob S.

Wolves, actually.
But, Oh! They occasionally kill cows. So we killed them. And there aren't
enough to make a difference if we turned them loose.
And not letting your poodles and kids wander around in the woods is a good
idea too.
Or better yet, don't live out in the suburb fringes unless you're prepared
to deal with the fact that animals belong where you are, and you don't.
Live with it.
And quit shirking your responsibility to nature.
You kill the predators, you better just step up and take their places.
Get a life.
Go take a hunter's safety course.
Get a license.
Get out there this fall and do your duty.
And quit frickin' bunny huggin.
Mother nature can't take care of herself any more.
It's up to us.
Murri

"Lady Blacksword" wrote in
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"Bob S." wrote in message
om...
"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
...
"Sunflower" wrote in message
And deer NEVER get to the point of eating the bark off of trees
unless a bunch of bunny huggers decide to get laws passed the
restrict hunting to the point of non-existence. Same way with other
herd type animals.

They over-populate.

WE KILLED OFF ALL THEIR NATURAL PREDATORS.

Amen Bro! I say lets turn loose all those circus and zoo cats and let
them get the deer population back under control!!! And if we loose a
few poodles or small kids, that's a small price to pay!

Bob S.

Wolves, actually.
But, Oh! They occasionally kill cows. So we killed them. And there
aren't enough to make a difference if we turned them loose.
And not letting your poodles and kids wander around in the woods is a
good idea too.
Or better yet, don't live out in the suburb fringes unless you're
prepared to deal with the fact that animals belong where you are, and
you don't. Live with it.
And quit shirking your responsibility to nature.
You kill the predators, you better just step up and take their places.
Get a life.
Go take a hunter's safety course.
Get a license.
Get out there this fall and do your duty.
And quit frickin' bunny huggin.
Mother nature can't take care of herself any more.
It's up to us.
Murri

Asking men to avoid indulging in hugging (Playboy) bunnies is like asking
a woman not to like shoes.

"Lady Blacksword" wrote in
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"Bob S." wrote in message
om...
"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
...
"Sunflower" wrote in message
And deer NEVER get to the point of eating the bark off of trees
unless a bunch of bunny huggers decide to get laws passed the
restrict hunting to the point of non-existence. Same way with other
herd type animals.

They over-populate.

WE KILLED OFF ALL THEIR NATURAL PREDATORS.

Amen Bro! I say lets turn loose all those circus and zoo cats and let
them get the deer population back under control!!! And if we loose a
few poodles or small kids, that's a small price to pay!

Bob S.

Wolves, actually.
But, Oh! They occasionally kill cows. So we killed them. And there
aren't enough to make a difference if we turned them loose.
And not letting your poodles and kids wander around in the woods is a
good idea too.
Or better yet, don't live out in the suburb fringes unless you're
prepared to deal with the fact that animals belong where you are, and
you don't. Live with it.
And quit shirking your responsibility to nature.
You kill the predators, you better just step up and take their places.
Get a life.
Go take a hunter's safety course.
Get a license.
Get out there this fall and do your duty.
And quit frickin' bunny huggin.
Mother nature can't take care of herself any more.
It's up to us.
Murri

Asking men to avoid indulging in hugging (Playboy) bunnies is like asking
a woman not to like shoes.

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
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"Lady Blacksword" wrote in
:


"Bob S." wrote in message
om...
"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
...
"Sunflower" wrote in message
And deer NEVER get to the point of eating the bark off of trees
unless a bunch of bunny huggers decide to get laws passed the
restrict hunting to the point of non-existence. Same way with other
herd type animals.

They over-populate.

WE KILLED OFF ALL THEIR NATURAL PREDATORS.

Amen Bro! I say lets turn loose all those circus and zoo cats and let
them get the deer population back under control!!! And if we loose a
few poodles or small kids, that's a small price to pay!

Bob S.

Wolves, actually.
But, Oh! They occasionally kill cows. So we killed them. And there
aren't enough to make a difference if we turned them loose.
And not letting your poodles and kids wander around in the woods is a
good idea too.
Or better yet, don't live out in the suburb fringes unless you're
prepared to deal with the fact that animals belong where you are, and
you don't. Live with it.
And quit shirking your responsibility to nature.
You kill the predators, you better just step up and take their places.
Get a life.
Go take a hunter's safety course.
Get a license.
Get out there this fall and do your duty.
And quit frickin' bunny huggin.
Mother nature can't take care of herself any more.
It's up to us.
Murri

Asking men to avoid indulging in hugging (Playboy) bunnies is like asking
a woman not to like shoes.


*laughter*
But I -hate- shopping for shoes. And I'd much rather go barefoot if I could
get away w/ it in public.
Murri

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
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"Lady Blacksword" wrote in
:


"Bob S." wrote in message
om...
"Lady Blacksword" wrote in message
...
"Sunflower" wrote in message
And deer NEVER get to the point of eating the bark off of trees
unless a bunch of bunny huggers decide to get laws passed the
restrict hunting to the point of non-existence. Same way with other
herd type animals.

They over-populate.

WE KILLED OFF ALL THEIR NATURAL PREDATORS.

Amen Bro! I say lets turn loose all those circus and zoo cats and let
them get the deer population back under control!!! And if we loose a
few poodles or small kids, that's a small price to pay!

Bob S.

Wolves, actually.
But, Oh! They occasionally kill cows. So we killed them. And there
aren't enough to make a difference if we turned them loose.
And not letting your poodles and kids wander around in the woods is a
good idea too.
Or better yet, don't live out in the suburb fringes unless you're
prepared to deal with the fact that animals belong where you are, and
you don't. Live with it.
And quit shirking your responsibility to nature.
You kill the predators, you better just step up and take their places.
Get a life.
Go take a hunter's safety course.
Get a license.
Get out there this fall and do your duty.
And quit frickin' bunny huggin.
Mother nature can't take care of herself any more.
It's up to us.
Murri

Asking men to avoid indulging in hugging (Playboy) bunnies is like asking
a woman not to like shoes.


*laughter*
But I -hate- shopping for shoes. And I'd much rather go barefoot if I could
get away w/ it in public.
Murri