Dear Garden Friends,

I'm a big fan of hostas and I have my own website with a lot of
Hostapictures. I like tp come in contact with other garden friends who
have Hostas in there gardens.

Today I have placed a big Hosta update on my Hostavalley website with
many new Hosta pictures.
You can see them on my website ( www.hostavalley.com ) including a 14
new "Hostas of the week" (pictures and description)
like: Allagan Fog, Heideturm, Touch of Class, Harry van der Laar,
Little Red Rooster, longipes f. sparsa, Dean's Dream, Paradise Red
Delight, Christmas Candy and more.


You'll find over 85 "Hosta of the week" items (pictures and
description) in the archives.
There are pictures from Katsuragawa Beni, Magic Fire, Popcorn,
Surprised by Joy, and more.



At this moment there are more than 120 Hostapictures on my website.

I Hope these Hostapictures will get you through the last few dark
winter evenings.

If you like them, please let me know……


(this is a non commercial website)



Kind Regards,
_________________
Jeroen Linneman

I have a website about Hostas. It's called Hostavalley ...
There is a update twice a week.

www.hostavalley.com

Dear garden friends,

Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in touch
when there's a new update...

Today I have placed a new big Hosta update on my Hostavalley website with
25 new Hosta pictures of 20 different (most new) Hosta's.
You can see them on my website www.hostavalley.com including 10 new
"Hostas of the Week" (pictures and description) like: Gypsy Rose, Fire
Island (yellow leaves with red petioles), Praying Hands, Guacamole, Red
October, Kii Hime, Kiyosumiensis 'Aureomarginata', aequinocthiiantha,
Stingray and more.


You'll find over 100 "Hosta of the week" items (with pictures and
description) in the archives.
There are pictures from Katsuragawa Beni, Magic Fire, Popcorn, Blue Angel,
Surprised by Joy, Cat's Eye, and more.



At this moment there are more than 200 Hostapictures on my website.

I hope these Hostapictures will help you preparing for the coming spring.

If you like these pictures, please let me know……


Kind Regards,


Jeroen linneman
www.hostavalley.com
(this is a non commercial website)

Dear Hosta friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails on my last update...a few weeks ago...

Today I have placed a new big Hosta update on my Hostavalley website with
25 new Hosta pictures of 20 different (most new) Hosta's.
You can see them on my website www.hostavalley.com including 10 new
"Hostas of the Week" (pictures and description) like: Gypsy Rose, Fire
Island (yellow leaves with red petioles), Praying Hands, Guacamole, Red
October, Kii Hime, Kiyosumiensis 'Aureomarginata', aequinocthiiantha,
Stingray and more.


You'll find over 100 "Hosta of the week" items (with pictures and
description) in the archives.
There are pictures from Katsuragawa Beni, Magic Fire, Popcorn, Blue Angel,
Surprised by Joy, Cat's Eye, and more.



At this moment there are more than 200 Hostapictures on my website.

I hope these Hostapictures will help you preparing for the coming spring.

If you like these pictures, please let me know……


Kind Regards,


Jeroen linneman
www.hostavalley.com
(this is a non commercial website)

hostavalley wrote:
Dear garden friends,

Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in touch
when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If
I asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?

MT,

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

"MT Byers" wrote in message
. com...
hostavalley wrote:
Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch
when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If I
asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?

I wasn't going for "rude." Not at all. Seen another way, by the
conventions of usenet, spamming a newgroup *is* rude.

Since I never saw the invitation to which this person refers, it looked
like just another one of those annoying attempts to pander his wares,
though couched in clever, charming words. That is the basis upon which
I made my remark.

If you made such an invitation, I would make a simple request. Would
you consider the possibility that perhaps this newsgroup is not the
place for your correspondence with this business owner? Would you also,
perhaps, consider taking that correspondence off list?

See? I'm not rude. I just make polite requests.

Anne Lurie wrote:

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

hostavalley wrote:

Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If I
asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?

Sorry, Anne, but on this one I'd agree with Byers. A quick search
shows there were no emails from hostavalley 'a few weeks ago' and
therefore no 'kind emails' on this list. It's spam, pure and simple..
Though it probably does no good for Byers or anyone to try
communicating with hostavalley via this list, kindly or rudely--s/he
probably sent out hundreds of such messages, and now just waits for
orders. No need to hang around and take flak on the message boards and
newsgroups.

Sue

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:21:15 GMT, "Anne Lurie"
wrote:

MT,

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

"MT Byers" wrote in message
.com...
hostavalley wrote:
Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch
when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If I
asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?

If it is garden related and only an occassional spam I kind of tolerate
them. At least he's not selling pictures of the king of pop having sex
with a hosta!!!!

On 2005-03-21, MT Byers wrote:
I wasn't going for "rude." Not at all. Seen another way, by the
conventions of usenet, spamming a newgroup *is* rude.

Since I never saw the invitation to which this person refers, it looked
like just another one of those annoying attempts to pander his wares,
though couched in clever, charming words. That is the basis upon which
I made my remark.

If you made such an invitation, I would make a simple request. Would
you consider the possibility that perhaps this newsgroup is not the
place for your correspondence with this business owner? Would you also,
perhaps, consider taking that correspondence off list?

See? I'm not rude. I just make polite requests.

Anne Lurie wrote:

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

hostavalley wrote:

Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If I
asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?


--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

is a garbage address.

You can search emails that Anne or I sent?

On 2005-03-21, Siouxzi wrote:
Sorry, Anne, but on this one I'd agree with Byers. A quick search
shows there were no emails from hostavalley 'a few weeks ago' and
therefore no 'kind emails' on this list. It's spam, pure and simple..
Though it probably does no good for Byers or anyone to try
communicating with hostavalley via this list, kindly or rudely--s/he
probably sent out hundreds of such messages, and now just waits for
orders. No need to hang around and take flak on the message boards and
newsgroups.

Sue

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:21:15 GMT, "Anne Lurie"
wrote:

MT,

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

"MT Byers" wrote in message
r.com...
hostavalley wrote:
Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch
when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If I
asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?




--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

is a garbage address.

I view messages through a newsreader called Agent. It shows messages
sorted by date, subject, or author. My default is by Date. But if I
re-order by Author, I see all the messages that each person sent since
January 04 (at least, at my current settings--this can probably be
made longer or shorter).

I can also view messages by Thread.

Sue

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:09:27 GMT, wrote:

You can search emails that Anne or I sent?

On 2005-03-21, Siouxzi wrote:
Sorry, Anne, but on this one I'd agree with Byers. A quick search
shows there were no emails from hostavalley 'a few weeks ago' and
therefore no 'kind emails' on this list. It's spam, pure and simple..
Though it probably does no good for Byers or anyone to try
communicating with hostavalley via this list, kindly or rudely--s/he
probably sent out hundreds of such messages, and now just waits for
orders. No need to hang around and take flak on the message boards and
newsgroups.

Sue

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:21:15 GMT, "Anne Lurie"
wrote:

MT,

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

"MT Byers" wrote in message
. rr.com...
hostavalley wrote:
Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch
when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If I
asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?

OK, since we're all being so nicey nice, may I ask you kindly to step off?

Jeroen has posted here before. Yes, it was before "a few weeks ago" --
more like a few months -- and no, I can't find his posting in Google.
But I went to his site then and I went to it when he posted the other
day. I confess I don't speak Danish, so perhaps that's why I'm missing
the purchase information from this "business owner," who has yet to
solicit any "business" here except invite people to look at pictures of
a lot of hosta. Do please be so kind as to show me where on his site I
can place an order, in English, for delivery to the USA.

Yes, his single post last week -- his first in quite some time -- went
to a lot of groups in a lot of languages. It was also on-topic, succinct
and in the proper language for each group. Personally, I've found his
site quite useful as I try to choose something to put in the shady parts
of my yard. And if Anne -- a regular, helpful contributor to
triangle.gardens -- wants to encourage him on or off the group, that is
fine with me.

MAL


MT Byers wrote:
I wasn't going for "rude." Not at all. Seen another way, by the
conventions of usenet, spamming a newgroup *is* rude.

Since I never saw the invitation to which this person refers, it looked
like just another one of those annoying attempts to pander his wares,
though couched in clever, charming words. That is the basis upon which
I made my remark.

If you made such an invitation, I would make a simple request. Would
you consider the possibility that perhaps this newsgroup is not the
place for your correspondence with this business owner? Would you also,
perhaps, consider taking that correspondence off list?

See? I'm not rude. I just make polite requests.

Anne Lurie wrote:

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

hostavalley wrote:

Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch when there's a new update...


No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me:
If I asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?

Margaret Lillard wrote:
OK, since we're all being so nicey nice, may I ask you kindly to step off?

Jeroen has posted here before. Yes, it was before "a few weeks ago" --
more like a few months -- and no, I can't find his posting in Google.
But I went to his site then and I went to it when he posted the other
day.

Ah, this discussion has yielded a kernel of useful corn at last. How
appropriate, how on-topic for a gardening group.

What we have revealed, of course, is the magic of spam. Spammers know
it's a numbers game, that those millions of eyes belong to all sorts of
people, and some portion of the population will always be rather too
credulous; some portion also will lack a firm grasp of cause and effect.

Mail and news servers are groaning under the load of millions of spam
messages. Encourage the spammers if you like, but remember that even
seemingly innocuous actions can have far-reaching consequences.

And oh, yes, in the spirit of "nicey nice," have a fabulous day! In
fact, I am so imbued with bonhomie that I am going to forbear consuming
any more bandwidth and server space with any more on this topic, too.

On 2005-03-21, Siouxzi wrote:
I view messages through a newsreader called Agent. It shows messages
sorted by date, subject, or author. My default is by Date. But if I
re-order by Author, I see all the messages that each person sent since
January 04 (at least, at my current settings--this can probably be
made longer or shorter).

I can also view messages by Thread.


You are viewing USENET postings. They are not email per se.
So you are saying hostavalley never made a previous post that someone
could have replied to off line therby causing him to post again.

Usenet postings are public communications. Email is a private
communication between the sender and receiver (normally) though an
inadvertent replytoall can make something public to all the original
receivers.

I may be picking a knit - but postings are not equal to email to me.

Sue

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:09:27 GMT, wrote:

You can search emails that Anne or I sent?

On 2005-03-21, Siouxzi wrote:
Sorry, Anne, but on this one I'd agree with Byers. A quick search
shows there were no emails from hostavalley 'a few weeks ago' and
therefore no 'kind emails' on this list. It's spam, pure and simple..
Though it probably does no good for Byers or anyone to try
communicating with hostavalley via this list, kindly or rudely--s/he
probably sent out hundreds of such messages, and now just waits for
orders. No need to hang around and take flak on the message boards and
newsgroups.

Sue

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:21:15 GMT, "Anne Lurie"
wrote:

MT,

Don't be rude! How do *you* know what encouragement we may have given
Hostavalley in our private emails?

Anne Lurie
NE Raleigh

"MT Byers" wrote in message
.rr.com...
hostavalley wrote:
Dear garden friends,
Thanks for your kind e-mails a few weeks ago. You ask me to keep in
touch
when there's a new update...

No one asked you anything of the kind, but the thought occurs to me: If I
asked you to get lost, would you be as willing to do that?





--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.

is a garbage address.

Apologies for weighing in with an uninformed opinion.

I did not go check out hostavalley when I responded, because it looked
like spam mail. (I'm perhaps hypersensitive because I get SO much spam
mail.). Some might still define the original hostavalley post as spam,
if indeed it sent out the same message about "kind emails"to many
newsgroups.

But after seeing the emotional back & forth, I went and looked. I
could not find any indication from the hostavalley site that the owner
was trying to SELL anything. Perhaps the owner does sell some hostas,
and that's fine, but the site seems to be mainly for the purpose of
sharing information and photos among hostaphiles, internationally.
It would be better to just send out a generic message inviting people
to visit a URL--and to be clear about whether the site is commercial,
simply informational, or both.

Anyway, the owner Jeroen seems to be a genuine, impassioned young
plant breeder in Holland. Best wishes to him.

Sue