One of the problems at the big box stores (and even, sometimes, at
nurseries) is that people remove tags to read them and don't replace them in
the same plant. In a nursery the grower *may* be able to correct the
problem, but in a big box the employees don't have the knowledge and no one
even tries.

Diana

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Would Wal mart, Lowes and Home Depot be a trusted source????

I have / am learning to check the label and research the internet to see
if other users pictures match to my labels and blooms. There have been a
few interesting label switches at Home Depot and Lowes. One this weekend
was fairly obviously a Baldan's Kaleidoscope Golden Treasure ( based on my
own previous purchase, research and the 4 other ones around it) but it
had a tag of P. Sogo Pride on it. The tag was deep in the pot and was
stuck to the dirt as if it had been there for a while.

I see simialr mix ups at these stores all the time when they even have
tags.





"Ray" wrote in message
news:2OuPg.3251$W13.742@trnddc05...
Bruce,

Don't count on being able to positively identify a hybrid from it's
appearance. In this yellow oncidium case, it's next to impossible, even
with the size thrown in. There are Sweet Sugar cultivars with huge lips
and some with smaller lips. Likewise, there are Gower Ramsays of all
sizes, as well. Then there are other hybrids - some using one of them as
a parent - that muddy the water completely.

The simple fact is that unless the plant is labeled and you trust the
source, you will never be absolutely certain.
--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
1.1/4 inches wide and 1 5/8 tall
Width was measured at the skirt with its natural curve

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:8KmPg.2107$W13.1563@trnddc05...
The Yellow one is an Oncidium hybrid. It could be Sweet Sugar or Gower
Ramsay. Without seeing the size of the flower I can't tell which it
is.
Sweet Sugar is a larger flower than Gower Ramsay.

Gene




"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Of course it helps to include the link....

http://home.comcast.net/~katkom01/neworchid/album/

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Some pictures of the Orchids I purchased at Wal-mart on my recent
trip
to
Wichita Falls, Texas

Also included are my 3 new (my first) spikes and a new one at
wal-mart
today


Anyone have a spare greenhouse?

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:36:37 -0400 in Diana Kulaga wrote:
We were in HD a few days ago on a non-orchid related foray. The gal in the
garden area was retagging slews of orchids - $10 each, with good tags. She
said they were selling off all *out of bloom* orchids. We bought three
mature Vandas and a Phal, all previously bloomed. Not bad for a couple of
people who don't usually buy orchids there!

The fiance and I were surprised yesterday evening when we found
the grocery store overrun with well labeled Phals in wonderful condition
and one out of bloom oncid in decent condition.

However, those will have to wait until I close on the new house and
reassemble the greenhouse I inherited.

The front parlor has proven a bit cramped with her house plants,
my house plants, our orchids, a piano, and now a kitten.

--
Chris Dukes
elfick willg: you can't use dell to beat people, it wouldn't stand up
to the strain... much like attacking a tank with a wiffle bat

Well, remember Rob's Rules! Always room for one more....

Diana

wrote in message
g...
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:36:37 -0400 in
Diana Kulaga
wrote:
We were in HD a few days ago on a non-orchid related foray. The gal in
the
garden area was retagging slews of orchids - $10 each, with good tags.
She
said they were selling off all *out of bloom* orchids. We bought three
mature Vandas and a Phal, all previously bloomed. Not bad for a couple of
people who don't usually buy orchids there!

The fiance and I were surprised yesterday evening when we found
the grocery store overrun with well labeled Phals in wonderful condition
and one out of bloom oncid in decent condition.

However, those will have to wait until I close on the new house and
reassemble the greenhouse I inherited.

The front parlor has proven a bit cramped with her house plants,
my house plants, our orchids, a piano, and now a kitten.

--
Chris Dukes
elfick willg: you can't use dell to beat people, it wouldn't stand up
to the strain... much like attacking a tank with a wiffle bat

Diana Kulaga wrote:
Well, remember Rob's Rules! Always room for one more....

Diana


Or two, perhaps. Or in my case, 400 coming next week. I'd hang them
from the ceiling, but that is full too... *grin*


--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Wonderful life eh Chris? C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S on the fiance, new
house, inherited greenhouse, the little kitty & of course all
the orchids. Way to go!

--
Cheers Wendy

No Spam Email Address Invalid

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:36:37 -0400 in
Diana Kulaga
wrote:
We were in HD a few days ago on a non-orchid related foray. The gal
in the garden area was retagging slews of orchids - $10 each, with
good tags. She said they were selling off all *out of bloom*
orchids. We bought three mature Vandas and a Phal, all previously
bloomed. Not bad for a couple of people who don't usually buy
orchids there!

The fiance and I were surprised yesterday evening when we found
the grocery store overrun with well labeled Phals in wonderful
condition
and one out of bloom oncid in decent condition.

However, those will have to wait until I close on the new house and
reassemble the greenhouse I inherited.

The front parlor has proven a bit cramped with her house plants,
my house plants, our orchids, a piano, and now a kitten.

Yes, the lesson learned is to buy from reliable sources, i.e., not the
big box stores. When I first started buying orchids, I bought plants
from Home Depot. I was surprised when they didn't live. Later, I found
out that their delivery trucks, handling, and display procedures were
not geared to New England fall and winter temperatures. Basically, the
roots froze before the plants got to the store, and if they didn't, the
HD employees killed them by overwatering. Now, I'd never buy a plant
from HD unless it was in April, May, September, or early October--and I
up-ended the pot to look at the roots. And I'd never count on the tag
being correct unless I was on-site when the plants were being unpacked.
There truly is no substitute for a professionally grown plant.

Diana Kulaga wrote:
One of the problems at the big box stores (and even, sometimes, at
nurseries) is that people remove tags to read them and don't replace them in
the same plant. In a nursery the grower *may* be able to correct the
problem, but in a big box the employees don't have the knowledge and no one
even tries.

Diana

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Would Wal mart, Lowes and Home Depot be a trusted source????

I have / am learning to check the label and research the internet to see
if other users pictures match to my labels and blooms. There have been a
few interesting label switches at Home Depot and Lowes. One this weekend
was fairly obviously a Baldan's Kaleidoscope Golden Treasure ( based on my
own previous purchase, research and the 4 other ones around it) but it
had a tag of P. Sogo Pride on it. The tag was deep in the pot and was
stuck to the dirt as if it had been there for a while.

I see simialr mix ups at these stores all the time when they even have
tags.





"Ray" wrote in message
news:2OuPg.3251$W13.742@trnddc05...
Bruce,

Don't count on being able to positively identify a hybrid from it's
appearance. In this yellow oncidium case, it's next to impossible, even
with the size thrown in. There are Sweet Sugar cultivars with huge lips
and some with smaller lips. Likewise, there are Gower Ramsays of all
sizes, as well. Then there are other hybrids - some using one of them as
a parent - that muddy the water completely.

The simple fact is that unless the plant is labeled and you trust the
source, you will never be absolutely certain.
--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
1.1/4 inches wide and 1 5/8 tall
Width was measured at the skirt with its natural curve

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:8KmPg.2107$W13.1563@trnddc05...
The Yellow one is an Oncidium hybrid. It could be Sweet Sugar or Gower
Ramsay. Without seeing the size of the flower I can't tell which it
is.
Sweet Sugar is a larger flower than Gower Ramsay.

Gene




"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Of course it helps to include the link....

http://home.comcast.net/~katkom01/neworchid/album/

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Some pictures of the Orchids I purchased at Wal-mart on my recent
trip
to
Wichita Falls, Texas

Also included are my 3 new (my first) spikes and a new one at
wal-mart
today


Anyone have a spare greenhouse?

NOPE! I've reached the point where Rob's rule no longer is true.

Last spring I took Vandas, Schombos, Cymbos, and a couple large Dendrobiums
out to summer in the yard. I had lots of space in the greenhouse in May.
Now it's September and after visits to Al's, a few Florida trips, a visit to
growers in Houston, a visit to H&R, and mailorder from OakHill...ok 3 mail
orders I filled the void. In three weeks I have to bring everything but the
Cymbos back under glass.

I've been through the collection twice now to throw away anything that
looked sick or not worth trying to nurse back to health. I sold a few
duplicates at the society meeting. I gave a couple to friends who would
appreciate special clones. In two weeks I'm taking a bunch of stuff to the
orchid show for the member's sales table.

Right now there is no room for just one more

Going through orchid shopping withdrawal,
Gene

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:24:00 -0400 in Rob wrote:
Diana Kulaga wrote:
Well, remember Rob's Rules! Always room for one more....

Diana


Or two, perhaps. Or in my case, 400 coming next week. I'd hang them
from the ceiling, but that is full too... *grin*

Plus for kittens, orchids are like potato chips... they can't eat just one...
(Hasn't happened yet... but one of Liz's Phals is starting to take a beating
from the kitten).

--
Chris Dukes
elfick willg: you can't use dell to beat people, it wouldn't stand up
to the strain... much like attacking a tank with a wiffle bat

Rob wrote:
Diana Kulaga wrote:

Well, remember Rob's Rules! Always room for one more....

Diana


Or two, perhaps. Or in my case, 400 coming next week. I'd hang them
from the ceiling, but that is full too... *grin*


You know, now that my orchids are back in the basement for the winter,
I'm just a bit skeptical about that whole "rules" thing!

Steve

I have one HD that puts the orcids in decorative ceramic pots (with no drain
holes) and then they sit in stagnant water. The other just throws them on
the table and they fall over, coming out of the far too small grower pots
Another one never waters their indoor "exotics"
Luckily I have always gotten mine shortly after arrival.
Surpsingly, Tom Thumb ( A local grocery Chain) usually has the best orchids
as far as tagging, and health. They just never have much variety.


"OrchidKitty" wrote in message
ups.com...
Yes, the lesson learned is to buy from reliable sources, i.e., not the
big box stores. When I first started buying orchids, I bought plants
from Home Depot. I was surprised when they didn't live. Later, I found
out that their delivery trucks, handling, and display procedures were
not geared to New England fall and winter temperatures. Basically, the
roots froze before the plants got to the store, and if they didn't, the
HD employees killed them by overwatering. Now, I'd never buy a plant
from HD unless it was in April, May, September, or early October--and I
up-ended the pot to look at the roots. And I'd never count on the tag
being correct unless I was on-site when the plants were being unpacked.
There truly is no substitute for a professionally grown plant.

Diana Kulaga wrote:
One of the problems at the big box stores (and even, sometimes, at
nurseries) is that people remove tags to read them and don't replace them
in
the same plant. In a nursery the grower *may* be able to correct the
problem, but in a big box the employees don't have the knowledge and no
one
even tries.

Diana

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Would Wal mart, Lowes and Home Depot be a trusted source????

I have / am learning to check the label and research the internet to
see
if other users pictures match to my labels and blooms. There have been
a
few interesting label switches at Home Depot and Lowes. One this
weekend
was fairly obviously a Baldan's Kaleidoscope Golden Treasure ( based on
my
own previous purchase, research and the 4 other ones around it) but it
had a tag of P. Sogo Pride on it. The tag was deep in the pot and was
stuck to the dirt as if it had been there for a while.

I see simialr mix ups at these stores all the time when they even have
tags.





"Ray" wrote in message
news:2OuPg.3251$W13.742@trnddc05...
Bruce,

Don't count on being able to positively identify a hybrid from it's
appearance. In this yellow oncidium case, it's next to impossible,
even
with the size thrown in. There are Sweet Sugar cultivars with huge
lips
and some with smaller lips. Likewise, there are Gower Ramsays of all
sizes, as well. Then there are other hybrids - some using one of them
as
a parent - that muddy the water completely.

The simple fact is that unless the plant is labeled and you trust the
source, you will never be absolutely certain.
--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
1.1/4 inches wide and 1 5/8 tall
Width was measured at the skirt with its natural curve

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:8KmPg.2107$W13.1563@trnddc05...
The Yellow one is an Oncidium hybrid. It could be Sweet Sugar or
Gower
Ramsay. Without seeing the size of the flower I can't tell which it
is.
Sweet Sugar is a larger flower than Gower Ramsay.

Gene




"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Of course it helps to include the link....

http://home.comcast.net/~katkom01/neworchid/album/

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
...
Some pictures of the Orchids I purchased at Wal-mart on my recent
trip
to
Wichita Falls, Texas

Also included are my 3 new (my first) spikes and a new one at
wal-mart
today


Anyone have a spare greenhouse?

Nope!

Its only called 'Rob's Rule' But really its a law. Sort of like
gravity and thermal dynamics. You may be able to escape the pull of
Rob's Rule for a while, but the rule still draws you back.

K Barrett
May the Force be with you.

Gene Schurg wrote:
NOPE! I've reached the point where Rob's rule no longer is true.

Last spring I took Vandas, Schombos, Cymbos, and a couple large Dendrobiums
out to summer in the yard. I had lots of space in the greenhouse in May.
Now it's September and after visits to Al's, a few Florida trips, a visit to
growers in Houston, a visit to H&R, and mailorder from OakHill...ok 3 mail
orders I filled the void. In three weeks I have to bring everything but the
Cymbos back under glass.

I've been through the collection twice now to throw away anything that
looked sick or not worth trying to nurse back to health. I sold a few
duplicates at the society meeting. I gave a couple to friends who would
appreciate special clones. In two weeks I'm taking a bunch of stuff to the
orchid show for the member's sales table.

Right now there is no room for just one more

Going through orchid shopping withdrawal,
Gene

You know it got to 46 degrees here last night.

Robs rules schmobs rules. Oft quoted never ignored.

There are places in the universe where things space, time and credit limits
have no meaning; places like black holes and greenhouses. Now, you have a
greenhouse so you already know what it's like to live on the weird side of
the event horizon, so just give it up. You are not fooling anybody. You
can't go 4 weeks from today without picking up another plant, I'm sure of
it.


Gene Schurg wrote:
In two weeks I'm taking a bunch of stuff to the
orchid show for the member's sales table.

Right now there is no room for just one more

K Barrett wrote:
Nope!

Its only called 'Rob's Rule' But really its a law. Sort of like
gravity and thermal dynamics. You may be able to escape the pull of
Rob's Rule for a while, but the rule still draws you back.


I think of it as more of a constant, like the speed of light... No
traffic cops enforcing it, but it must be obeyed.


--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

You're probably right.....I need to come and visit.

Gene



"al" wrote in message news:CgyQg.3328$Fh.1873@trnddc07...
You know it got to 46 degrees here last night.

Robs rules schmobs rules. Oft quoted never ignored.

There are places in the universe where things space, time and credit
limits
have no meaning; places like black holes and greenhouses. Now, you have a
greenhouse so you already know what it's like to live on the weird side of
the event horizon, so just give it up. You are not fooling anybody. You
can't go 4 weeks from today without picking up another plant, I'm sure of
it.


Gene Schurg wrote:
In two weeks I'm taking a bunch of stuff to the
orchid show for the member's sales table.

Right now there is no room for just one more

That was an awfully fast capitulation, Gene! Now I must question your
original resolve.......

Diana G


"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:cJAQg.3435$Fh.2307@trnddc07...
You're probably right.....I need to come and visit.

Gene



"al" wrote in message
news:CgyQg.3328$Fh.1873@trnddc07...
You know it got to 46 degrees here last night.

Robs rules schmobs rules. Oft quoted never ignored.

There are places in the universe where things space, time and credit
limits
have no meaning; places like black holes and greenhouses. Now, you have
a
greenhouse so you already know what it's like to live on the weird side
of
the event horizon, so just give it up. You are not fooling anybody. You
can't go 4 weeks from today without picking up another plant, I'm sure of
it.


Gene Schurg wrote:
In two weeks I'm taking a bunch of stuff to the
orchid show for the member's sales table.

Right now there is no room for just one more