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August 24, 2004
Orchids Flourish on Taiwanese Production Line By KEITH BRADSHER --NYT HOUBI, Taiwan - Rising from what was once a muddy expanse of sugar cane fields here are huge greenhouses and the concrete shells of what will soon be a flower exposition hall, a genetic modification laboratory and more - the first steps in Taiwan's plan to dominate the world's $2 billion orchid industry. If the Taiwan effort is successful, orchids could lose their image as the high-priced but finicky princes of the floral world and become lesser nobility, almost as inexpensive as poinsettias. The favored flower for debutantes' corsages a generation ago, orchids are already starting to appear in rows of $15 potted specimens at mass merchandisers like Home Depot, and seem poised to become even cheaper. With their mysteriously complex shapes and colors and their exotic and inaccessible homes in swamps and tropical forests, orchids were the darlings of wealthy collectors in Victorian days. They were hunted across the globe by adventurers who not infrequently gave their lives in pursuit of very rare varieties that even today can sometimes bring thousands of dollars. Large commercial greenhouses have robbed orchids of some of their elite cachet since then. Now, if Taiwan is successful, there could be orchids for the masses. Seeking a cash crop to replace sugar, which is plagued by falling prices, Taiwan is hoping to double its orchid business, and the government plans to bring heavy public spending into the previously private world of growing orchids. But Taiwan's ambitious plans to become a flower power have set off legal, economic, environmental and political debates from here to Washington. A federal court in the United States is scheduled to hear arguments this autumn from Hawaiian orchid growers who contend that Taiwan's ambitions threaten their livelihood and the environment. Nearly a quarter of the world's orchids now spend at least part of their lives in Taiwanese greenhouses. Taiwan produces mainly a lovely genus of orchids known as phalaenopsis, or moth orchids. The blossoms come in many hues, from gold to lilac to white, and in striped and polka-dot patterns. These are the mainstay of the orchid industry, although oncidiums also sell well. Fancier varieties sold by florists, like cattleyas and vandas, can cost several times as much. With globalization and outsourcing, orchids have been getting ever cheaper. Many are now started in labs in industrialized countries like the United States and Japan and then shipped by air in glass flasks to places like Thailand to grow. They are then shipped back by air in boxes, their roots bare of soil, to be potted and grown in greenhouses close to their final markets for the last six to eight months before they bloom. This summer, after six years of sometimes bitter review, the United States Department of Agriculture approved regulations that would allow potted phalaenopsis to be imported from Taiwan. But orchid growers in Hawaii have asked a federal court for a preliminary injunction to block the imports. The Hawaiian growers contend that the potting material, a type of moss, could harbor dangerous insects like blood-sucking midges and tiny thrips, which can carry plant diseases. "What effect would it have on the ecology, and the safety of our plants, with the introduction of pathogens and pests and so forth from Southeast Asia?" asked Walter Moé, the president of the Hawaii Orchid Growers Association. The Hawaiian growers are also upset by what they see as unfair subsidies from Taiwan's Democratic Progressive government, which favors greater independence from mainland China. The government of Taiwan is paying $65 million to cover the construction costs of everything except the greenhouses - and is offering government-backed, 10-year loans at 2 percent interest to help farmers build those. Yen Chun-tso, the deputy magistrate of Tainan County, which includes the village of Houbi and which is administering the new orchid plantation, said the new complex complied with international free trade rules, which allow the government to pay for infrastructure. Officials in Washington declined to comment. When finished, the Taiwan Orchid Plantation will have not only an exposition hall and genetics laboratory, but also a quarantine site, shipping and packing areas, a grid of new roads edged by tidy brick sidewalks and water and electrical hookups for more than 200 industrial-size greenhouses. It will create 1,500 jobs. Like Taipei 101, which will become the world's tallest building by most measures when it opens in December, the Taiwan Orchid Plantation here is a monument to the vaulting ambitions of Chen Shui-bian, Taiwan's president for the last four years. It also is a physical reminder to everyone in Tainan County that a hometown boy did well: President Chen was born and raised in a small farming village a dozen miles away. Mr. Yen said that local officials from Mr. Chen's Democratic Progressive Party would cite the plantation in future election campaigns. Orchid farmers here say that while they want to bring mass production to orchids, they also care deeply about their flowers. Lin Fan-jung, an orchid farmer, walked through his greenhouses recently and pointed out the unused automatic sprinkler system. It does not provide exactly the right amount of water, so workers water each plant by hand, he said. Walking through four successive doors, including an air lock with powerful fans to remove dust and bacteria from visitors, Mr. Lin showed off a lab where young women wearing hair nets used sharp knives to carefully divide baby orchid plants. Orchid buyers should never smoke around their plants because orchids are very sensitive to air pollution, he said, adding: "An orchid is something with its own life. You should take care of it like your own children." Farmers here say that they ship live potted orchids to countries across Asia, Europe and Latin America without problems from insects or diseases. Taiwan's growers persuaded the United States Agriculture Department that finely woven nets over greenhouse air vents here would keep bugs away from the plants. American growers respond that European and Japanese importers douse arriving plants with pesticides that United States law does not allow. The Hawaiian growers also contend that three species of wild orchids indigenous to their islands, one endangered and the other two listed as threatened, could be devastated if dangerous insects or plant diseases arrived from Taiwan. Taiwan has a huge advantage on labor costs. Greenhouse workers here earn $600 a month, a third of what workers doing similar jobs earn in expensive Hawaii. Shipping orchids in pots, instead of with bare roots in boxes, would allow Taiwan to export bigger plants that would require less time to mature in American greenhouses. After Taiwan's recent success, the Netherlands, which dominates the European market, petitioned the Agriculture Department to allow Dutch growers to ship potted phalaenopsis to the United States, too; the department has not yet acted on the petition. These developments are all the more worrisome to Hawaiian growers because Thailand, too, has become a huge orchid seller. However, it sells mainly cut orchid flowers, and plays a lesser role in the more technologically demanding business of supplying live plants. Almost all of the orchids in the leis given to tourists in Hawaii now come from Thailand, forcing Hawaiian growers to depend on sales of potted orchids, Mr. Moé said. Many restaurants also use Thai orchids to decorate tropical meals, to the dismay of orchid experts. Leon Lin, an orchid adviser to the Tainan County government, wrinkled his nose in disgust when his lunch plate of fried rice in Hsinying, the county seat, came with a cut purple orchid on top. "All orchids are drenched with pesticides - they should never be allowed to touch food,'' he said, grimacing as he gingerly removed the flower with his right thumb and forefinger and tossed it in the middle of the table. Orchids have even made a splash in publishing and movies in recent years, with the publication of a successful book, "The Orchid Thief," by Susan Orlean, which was also made into a movie, "Adaptation.'' The book chronicled the attention given to orchids through a long stretch of recorded history, from their cultivation by the upper classes in China for 3,000 years to their use as medicine to treat everything from boils to sick elephants. "Even if you can buy them at Home Depot they still have a quality that's alluring and strangely forbidding," she said in a telephone interview. As in many industries, the spectacular economic expansion in China has cushioned orchid growers somewhat from rising competition. In January, Chinese buyers bought up practically every live red orchid in Asia and Europe for Chinese New Year, paying breathtaking prices of as much as $30 a plant at wholesale, said Andrew Easton, an executive at Kerry's Bromeliads in Homestead, Fla. But the long-term trend in orchid prices is clearly downward, even as quality improves. Mr. Easton remembers paying $80 in 1958 for a small purple cattleya. "Now,'' he said, "I can get an orchid as good as that one for $25.'' --j_a |
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K Barrett "janet_a" wrote in message om... August 24, 2004 Orchids Flourish on Taiwanese Production Line By KEITH BRADSHER --NYT HOUBI, Taiwan - Rising from what was once a muddy expanse of sugar cane fields here are huge greenhouses and the concrete shells of what will soon be a flower exposition hall, a genetic modification laboratory and more - the first steps in Taiwan's plan to dominate the world's $2 billion orchid industry. If the Taiwan effort is successful, orchids could lose their image as the high-priced but finicky princes of the floral world and become lesser nobility, almost as inexpensive as poinsettias. The favored flower for debutantes' corsages a generation ago, orchids are already starting to appear in rows of $15 potted specimens at mass merchandisers like Home Depot, and seem poised to become even cheaper. With their mysteriously complex shapes and colors and their exotic and inaccessible homes in swamps and tropical forests, orchids were the darlings of wealthy collectors in Victorian days. They were hunted across the globe by adventurers who not infrequently gave their lives in pursuit of very rare varieties that even today can sometimes bring thousands of dollars. Large commercial greenhouses have robbed orchids of some of their elite cachet since then. Now, if Taiwan is successful, there could be orchids for the masses. Seeking a cash crop to replace sugar, which is plagued by falling prices, Taiwan is hoping to double its orchid business, and the government plans to bring heavy public spending into the previously private world of growing orchids. But Taiwan's ambitious plans to become a flower power have set off legal, economic, environmental and political debates from here to Washington. A federal court in the United States is scheduled to hear arguments this autumn from Hawaiian orchid growers who contend that Taiwan's ambitions threaten their livelihood and the environment. Nearly a quarter of the world's orchids now spend at least part of their lives in Taiwanese greenhouses. Taiwan produces mainly a lovely genus of orchids known as phalaenopsis, or moth orchids. The blossoms come in many hues, from gold to lilac to white, and in striped and polka-dot patterns. These are the mainstay of the orchid industry, although oncidiums also sell well. Fancier varieties sold by florists, like cattleyas and vandas, can cost several times as much. With globalization and outsourcing, orchids have been getting ever cheaper. Many are now started in labs in industrialized countries like the United States and Japan and then shipped by air in glass flasks to places like Thailand to grow. They are then shipped back by air in boxes, their roots bare of soil, to be potted and grown in greenhouses close to their final markets for the last six to eight months before they bloom. This summer, after six years of sometimes bitter review, the United States Department of Agriculture approved regulations that would allow potted phalaenopsis to be imported from Taiwan. But orchid growers in Hawaii have asked a federal court for a preliminary injunction to block the imports. The Hawaiian growers contend that the potting material, a type of moss, could harbor dangerous insects like blood-sucking midges and tiny thrips, which can carry plant diseases. "What effect would it have on the ecology, and the safety of our plants, with the introduction of pathogens and pests and so forth from Southeast Asia?" asked Walter Moé, the president of the Hawaii Orchid Growers Association. The Hawaiian growers are also upset by what they see as unfair subsidies from Taiwan's Democratic Progressive government, which favors greater independence from mainland China. The government of Taiwan is paying $65 million to cover the construction costs of everything except the greenhouses - and is offering government-backed, 10-year loans at 2 percent interest to help farmers build those. Yen Chun-tso, the deputy magistrate of Tainan County, which includes the village of Houbi and which is administering the new orchid plantation, said the new complex complied with international free trade rules, which allow the government to pay for infrastructure. Officials in Washington declined to comment. When finished, the Taiwan Orchid Plantation will have not only an exposition hall and genetics laboratory, but also a quarantine site, shipping and packing areas, a grid of new roads edged by tidy brick sidewalks and water and electrical hookups for more than 200 industrial-size greenhouses. It will create 1,500 jobs. Like Taipei 101, which will become the world's tallest building by most measures when it opens in December, the Taiwan Orchid Plantation here is a monument to the vaulting ambitions of Chen Shui-bian, Taiwan's president for the last four years. It also is a physical reminder to everyone in Tainan County that a hometown boy did well: President Chen was born and raised in a small farming village a dozen miles away. Mr. Yen said that local officials from Mr. Chen's Democratic Progressive Party would cite the plantation in future election campaigns. Orchid farmers here say that while they want to bring mass production to orchids, they also care deeply about their flowers. Lin Fan-jung, an orchid farmer, walked through his greenhouses recently and pointed out the unused automatic sprinkler system. It does not provide exactly the right amount of water, so workers water each plant by hand, he said. Walking through four successive doors, including an air lock with powerful fans to remove dust and bacteria from visitors, Mr. Lin showed off a lab where young women wearing hair nets used sharp knives to carefully divide baby orchid plants. Orchid buyers should never smoke around their plants because orchids are very sensitive to air pollution, he said, adding: "An orchid is something with its own life. You should take care of it like your own children." Farmers here say that they ship live potted orchids to countries across Asia, Europe and Latin America without problems from insects or diseases. Taiwan's growers persuaded the United States Agriculture Department that finely woven nets over greenhouse air vents here would keep bugs away from the plants. American growers respond that European and Japanese importers douse arriving plants with pesticides that United States law does not allow. The Hawaiian growers also contend that three species of wild orchids indigenous to their islands, one endangered and the other two listed as threatened, could be devastated if dangerous insects or plant diseases arrived from Taiwan. Taiwan has a huge advantage on labor costs. Greenhouse workers here earn $600 a month, a third of what workers doing similar jobs earn in expensive Hawaii. Shipping orchids in pots, instead of with bare roots in boxes, would allow Taiwan to export bigger plants that would require less time to mature in American greenhouses. After Taiwan's recent success, the Netherlands, which dominates the European market, petitioned the Agriculture Department to allow Dutch growers to ship potted phalaenopsis to the United States, too; the department has not yet acted on the petition. These developments are all the more worrisome to Hawaiian growers because Thailand, too, has become a huge orchid seller. However, it sells mainly cut orchid flowers, and plays a lesser role in the more technologically demanding business of supplying live plants. Almost all of the orchids in the leis given to tourists in Hawaii now come from Thailand, forcing Hawaiian growers to depend on sales of potted orchids, Mr. Moé said. Many restaurants also use Thai orchids to decorate tropical meals, to the dismay of orchid experts. Leon Lin, an orchid adviser to the Tainan County government, wrinkled his nose in disgust when his lunch plate of fried rice in Hsinying, the county seat, came with a cut purple orchid on top. "All orchids are drenched with pesticides - they should never be allowed to touch food,'' he said, grimacing as he gingerly removed the flower with his right thumb and forefinger and tossed it in the middle of the table. Orchids have even made a splash in publishing and movies in recent years, with the publication of a successful book, "The Orchid Thief," by Susan Orlean, which was also made into a movie, "Adaptation.'' The book chronicled the attention given to orchids through a long stretch of recorded history, from their cultivation by the upper classes in China for 3,000 years to their use as medicine to treat everything from boils to sick elephants. "Even if you can buy them at Home Depot they still have a quality that's alluring and strangely forbidding," she said in a telephone interview. As in many industries, the spectacular economic expansion in China has cushioned orchid growers somewhat from rising competition. In January, Chinese buyers bought up practically every live red orchid in Asia and Europe for Chinese New Year, paying breathtaking prices of as much as $30 a plant at wholesale, said Andrew Easton, an executive at Kerry's Bromeliads in Homestead, Fla. But the long-term trend in orchid prices is clearly downward, even as quality improves. Mr. Easton remembers paying $80 in 1958 for a small purple cattleya. "Now,'' he said, "I can get an orchid as good as that one for $25.'' --j_a |
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The Hawaiians are right....
K Barrett I read that article in the Times this AM. I tend to agree, Kathy, but I'm open to argument. My comment on the article is that once again, the NY Times, with so many resources, has published a rather simplistic article on orchids. Other past articles have been even simpler. I know that they need to make the subject easily understood by all their readers, but they really dumb it down. Just my HO. Diana |
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The Hawaiians are right....
K Barrett I read that article in the Times this AM. I tend to agree, Kathy, but I'm open to argument. My comment on the article is that once again, the NY Times, with so many resources, has published a rather simplistic article on orchids. Other past articles have been even simpler. I know that they need to make the subject easily understood by all their readers, but they really dumb it down. Just my HO. Diana |
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I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been
involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message link.net... The Hawaiians are right.... K Barrett I read that article in the Times this AM. I tend to agree, Kathy, but I'm open to argument. My comment on the article is that once again, the NY Times, with so many resources, has published a rather simplistic article on orchids. Other past articles have been even simpler. I know that they need to make the subject easily understood by all their readers, but they really dumb it down. Just my HO. Diana |
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I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been
involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message link.net... The Hawaiians are right.... K Barrett I read that article in the Times this AM. I tend to agree, Kathy, but I'm open to argument. My comment on the article is that once again, the NY Times, with so many resources, has published a rather simplistic article on orchids. Other past articles have been even simpler. I know that they need to make the subject easily understood by all their readers, but they really dumb it down. Just my HO. Diana |
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Kath,
You probably don't grow hybrid Phals. The Taiwan growers seem to have the really good stuff. Their breeding and cloning programs are providing truly leading edge products that don't seem to be available anywhere else. However, I don't buy from Taiwan but from the USA growers that import their plants. This is a bad thing? I am constantly on the prowl (via the WWW) for domestic growers offering stem props of their good stuff. OK, I know that I am highly selective in what I purchase but I WILL get it from those who can sell it to me. If domestic growers provide a superior product, I will buy theirs. If plants from Taiwan become more expensive because Hawaiian growers get some sort of "protection" I will still buy the plants I want - not something inferior from a protected grower. David "K Barrett" wrote in message news:3LSWc.85009$TI1.27882@attbi_s52... I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? |
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Kath,
You probably don't grow hybrid Phals. The Taiwan growers seem to have the really good stuff. Their breeding and cloning programs are providing truly leading edge products that don't seem to be available anywhere else. However, I don't buy from Taiwan but from the USA growers that import their plants. This is a bad thing? I am constantly on the prowl (via the WWW) for domestic growers offering stem props of their good stuff. OK, I know that I am highly selective in what I purchase but I WILL get it from those who can sell it to me. If domestic growers provide a superior product, I will buy theirs. If plants from Taiwan become more expensive because Hawaiian growers get some sort of "protection" I will still buy the plants I want - not something inferior from a protected grower. David "K Barrett" wrote in message news:3LSWc.85009$TI1.27882@attbi_s52... I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? |
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David, I just look at it in terms of dollars and cents. US vendors can't
compete because the costs of labor, land, utilities, plus governmental regulations (like being responsble for run-off from your property) make it hard to turn a profit.. Not because they have an inferior product. I just hate to see an industry - which some say was created by and takes full advantage of scientific research US taxpayers paid for - going off shore. But I also wonder about Taisuco who bought GHs here and are now - maybe? - bypassing the US vendors by having a toe hold in the US so they won't have to sell to your local grower. They can bring in their own orchids in medium, in spike and sell direct. No reason for Al or Pat Brennan or any of your local growers to be middlemen. Am I wrong? K Barrett "David Edgley" wrote in message ... Kath, You probably don't grow hybrid Phals. The Taiwan growers seem to have the really good stuff. Their breeding and cloning programs are providing truly leading edge products that don't seem to be available anywhere else. However, I don't buy from Taiwan but from the USA growers that import their plants. This is a bad thing? I am constantly on the prowl (via the WWW) for domestic growers offering stem props of their good stuff. OK, I know that I am highly selective in what I purchase but I WILL get it from those who can sell it to me. If domestic growers provide a superior product, I will buy theirs. If plants from Taiwan become more expensive because Hawaiian growers get some sort of "protection" I will still buy the plants I want - not something inferior from a protected grower. David "K Barrett" wrote in message news:3LSWc.85009$TI1.27882@attbi_s52... I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? |
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David, I just look at it in terms of dollars and cents. US vendors can't
compete because the costs of labor, land, utilities, plus governmental regulations (like being responsble for run-off from your property) make it hard to turn a profit.. Not because they have an inferior product. I just hate to see an industry - which some say was created by and takes full advantage of scientific research US taxpayers paid for - going off shore. But I also wonder about Taisuco who bought GHs here and are now - maybe? - bypassing the US vendors by having a toe hold in the US so they won't have to sell to your local grower. They can bring in their own orchids in medium, in spike and sell direct. No reason for Al or Pat Brennan or any of your local growers to be middlemen. Am I wrong? K Barrett "David Edgley" wrote in message ... Kath, You probably don't grow hybrid Phals. The Taiwan growers seem to have the really good stuff. Their breeding and cloning programs are providing truly leading edge products that don't seem to be available anywhere else. However, I don't buy from Taiwan but from the USA growers that import their plants. This is a bad thing? I am constantly on the prowl (via the WWW) for domestic growers offering stem props of their good stuff. OK, I know that I am highly selective in what I purchase but I WILL get it from those who can sell it to me. If domestic growers provide a superior product, I will buy theirs. If plants from Taiwan become more expensive because Hawaiian growers get some sort of "protection" I will still buy the plants I want - not something inferior from a protected grower. David "K Barrett" wrote in message news:3LSWc.85009$TI1.27882@attbi_s52... I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? |
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Well, that last line ("Am I wrong") sounded snotty when I read it later. I
didn't mean for it to sound that way. I meant it to sound like I was asking for your opinions. K Barrett "K Barrett" wrote in message news:hz6Xc.68047$mD.3084@attbi_s02... David, I just look at it in terms of dollars and cents. US vendors can't compete because the costs of labor, land, utilities, plus governmental regulations (like being responsble for run-off from your property) make it hard to turn a profit.. Not because they have an inferior product. I just hate to see an industry - which some say was created by and takes full advantage of scientific research US taxpayers paid for - going off shore. But I also wonder about Taisuco who bought GHs here and are now - maybe? - bypassing the US vendors by having a toe hold in the US so they won't have to sell to your local grower. They can bring in their own orchids in medium, in spike and sell direct. No reason for Al or Pat Brennan or any of your local growers to be middlemen. Am I wrong? K Barrett "David Edgley" wrote in message ... Kath, You probably don't grow hybrid Phals. The Taiwan growers seem to have the really good stuff. Their breeding and cloning programs are providing truly leading edge products that don't seem to be available anywhere else. However, I don't buy from Taiwan but from the USA growers that import their plants. This is a bad thing? I am constantly on the prowl (via the WWW) for domestic growers offering stem props of their good stuff. OK, I know that I am highly selective in what I purchase but I WILL get it from those who can sell it to me. If domestic growers provide a superior product, I will buy theirs. If plants from Taiwan become more expensive because Hawaiian growers get some sort of "protection" I will still buy the plants I want - not something inferior from a protected grower. David "K Barrett" wrote in message news:3LSWc.85009$TI1.27882@attbi_s52... I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? |
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Well, that last line ("Am I wrong") sounded snotty when I read it later. I
didn't mean for it to sound that way. I meant it to sound like I was asking for your opinions. K Barrett "K Barrett" wrote in message news:hz6Xc.68047$mD.3084@attbi_s02... David, I just look at it in terms of dollars and cents. US vendors can't compete because the costs of labor, land, utilities, plus governmental regulations (like being responsble for run-off from your property) make it hard to turn a profit.. Not because they have an inferior product. I just hate to see an industry - which some say was created by and takes full advantage of scientific research US taxpayers paid for - going off shore. But I also wonder about Taisuco who bought GHs here and are now - maybe? - bypassing the US vendors by having a toe hold in the US so they won't have to sell to your local grower. They can bring in their own orchids in medium, in spike and sell direct. No reason for Al or Pat Brennan or any of your local growers to be middlemen. Am I wrong? K Barrett "David Edgley" wrote in message ... Kath, You probably don't grow hybrid Phals. The Taiwan growers seem to have the really good stuff. Their breeding and cloning programs are providing truly leading edge products that don't seem to be available anywhere else. However, I don't buy from Taiwan but from the USA growers that import their plants. This is a bad thing? I am constantly on the prowl (via the WWW) for domestic growers offering stem props of their good stuff. OK, I know that I am highly selective in what I purchase but I WILL get it from those who can sell it to me. If domestic growers provide a superior product, I will buy theirs. If plants from Taiwan become more expensive because Hawaiian growers get some sort of "protection" I will still buy the plants I want - not something inferior from a protected grower. David "K Barrett" wrote in message news:3LSWc.85009$TI1.27882@attbi_s52... I see it as protecting US small business. One of my friends has been involved with the Taiwan side of this article and sees it as efficient markets. If you can't compete then you should fold. Well, I always sided with Old Fezziwig in 'A Christmas Carol' when he said it wasn't for money alone that one builds up a business, but to protect a way of life. Of course you know what happened to Fezziwig. Scrooge and Marley bought him out for pennies on the dollar and put him out of business. K Barrett What will the next generation do with all those Harleys and RVs when we baby boomers are dead and gone? |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:41:48 GMT, "K Barrett"
wrote: Well, that last line ("Am I wrong") sounded snotty when I read it later. I didn't mean for it to sound that way. I meant it to sound like I was asking for your opinions. K Barrett Your not wrong. But, the importers are basically the Phal growers. The hobby is so large and the collections so diverse - it will take a long time to hit many of us. Like Hausermann's in the 70's they are specializing on one thing. At that time you could walk in the gh and see bare plants unless you timed it to a holiday. The Catts only bloomed for holiday sales. And the sales staff had no time for hobby growers... or species. They were known for attitude. Now there is great diversity and the corsage orchid is only a small piece of the business. The bugs are another issue. We just got hit with the Big Head Carp that were imported for some misguided plan on the Mississippi. Now they are threatening native fish in 18 states. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:41:48 GMT, "K Barrett"
wrote: Well, that last line ("Am I wrong") sounded snotty when I read it later. I didn't mean for it to sound that way. I meant it to sound like I was asking for your opinions. K Barrett Your not wrong. But, the importers are basically the Phal growers. The hobby is so large and the collections so diverse - it will take a long time to hit many of us. Like Hausermann's in the 70's they are specializing on one thing. At that time you could walk in the gh and see bare plants unless you timed it to a holiday. The Catts only bloomed for holiday sales. And the sales staff had no time for hobby growers... or species. They were known for attitude. Now there is great diversity and the corsage orchid is only a small piece of the business. The bugs are another issue. We just got hit with the Big Head Carp that were imported for some misguided plan on the Mississippi. Now they are threatening native fish in 18 states. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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Christ almighty! Big Head Carp in the greenhouse!!! Will neem oil keep
them away? That's like our friends from the North Carolina Department of Transportation who imported kudzu for erosion control. Now there a whole buildings all over the southeast that will never erode - if we can find them. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. "Susan Erickson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:41:48 GMT, "K Barrett" wrote: Well, that last line ("Am I wrong") sounded snotty when I read it later. I didn't mean for it to sound that way. I meant it to sound like I was asking for your opinions. K Barrett Your not wrong. But, the importers are basically the Phal growers. The hobby is so large and the collections so diverse - it will take a long time to hit many of us. Like Hausermann's in the 70's they are specializing on one thing. At that time you could walk in the gh and see bare plants unless you timed it to a holiday. The Catts only bloomed for holiday sales. And the sales staff had no time for hobby growers... or species. They were known for attitude. Now there is great diversity and the corsage orchid is only a small piece of the business. The bugs are another issue. We just got hit with the Big Head Carp that were imported for some misguided plan on the Mississippi. Now they are threatening native fish in 18 states. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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