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Cleaning over the Winter
I'm in central NJ and we've had a warm season so far. My pond had hardly
frozen over at all and the fish are active most days. The water is crystal clear but a lot of leaves have figured out how to get into the pond even though I have netting over it. My question is should I be removing the leaves and risk disturbing an otherwise tranquil pond or would it be better to wait until Spring cleaning? Thanks, Tom in Howell, NJ |
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"Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... I'm in central NJ and we've had a warm season so far. My pond had hardly frozen over at all and the fish are active most days. The water is crystal clear but a lot of leaves have figured out how to get into the pond even though I have netting over it. Net them OUT before they start to decay and cause an algae bloom and brownish water. They can also cause PH to drop. It may stir up the bottom and cause cloudy water for a say or two but that will settle. My question is should I be removing the leaves and risk disturbing an otherwise tranquil pond or would it be better to wait until Spring cleaning? Thanks, Tom in Howell, NJ -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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That's kind of what I was thinking. I'll probably spend some time with them
this weekend. Enjoyed your web site. My pond grew from a 150 gallon to about 750 gallon over the past few years. I also have a 300 gallon"indoor pond", a 100 gallon, 65 gallon 29 gallon and 2 10 gallon aquariums all filled (overstocked!) with goldfish from the outside pond. My wife says one more tank and she's outta here! That space in the corner is big enough for a 75 gallon tank!!! Its good to see there are still a few people in the group who are interested in discussing ponds! "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... "Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... I'm in central NJ and we've had a warm season so far. My pond had hardly frozen over at all and the fish are active most days. The water is crystal clear but a lot of leaves have figured out how to get into the pond even though I have netting over it. Net them OUT before they start to decay and cause an algae bloom and brownish water. They can also cause PH to drop. It may stir up the bottom and cause cloudy water for a say or two but that will settle. My question is should I be removing the leaves and risk disturbing an otherwise tranquil pond or would it be better to wait until Spring cleaning? Thanks, Tom in Howell, NJ -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... That's kind of what I was thinking. I'll probably spend some time with them this weekend. Enjoyed your web site. Thanks. :-) My pond grew from a 150 gallon to about 750 gallon over the past few years. I took that same route an now have a 2000g pond as well. I also have a 300 gallon"indoor pond", Indoor pond? You mean an aquarium? a 100 gallon, 65 gallon 29 gallon and 2 10 gallon aquariums all filled (overstocked!) with goldfish from the outside pond. My wife says one more tank and she's outta here! My husband says the same thing but then wants to see any new fish I bring in - go figure. Common and some fancy goldfish can stay outside all winter where you live. I'm in zone 6 and mine thrive outdoors year round. I have the fancies in the house because I like aquariums. There's a NG for GF fanciers, alt.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish. That space in the corner is big enough for a 75 gallon tank!!! I see another tank in your future. ;-) Its good to see there are still a few people in the group who are interested in discussing ponds! Yes, some of us are still here. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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My "indoor pond" is something of a cross between an aquarium and a pond. It
is a plywood framed box which is roughly 2 ft deep and 4 ft wide and 7 feet long on the outside dimensions. It has a liner in it and can only be viewed from the top. I treat it like a pond using pond type filters and aeration. I figure it contains about 250 or so gallons once you subtract for the thickness of the walls. I have about 25 goldfish of various kinds--nothing fancy--comets, shebunkins and such. They range from about 4 inches to 8-9 inches long. My 20 month old grand daughter loves to watch them jump around when she comes over to feed them (truth is so do I!!). The others are just regular aquariums. I figure I have about 150 fish in total ranging from last year's hatch to some 4-5 year olds. You said you're in Zone 6, so am I here in NJ. Where abouts are you? "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... "Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... That's kind of what I was thinking. I'll probably spend some time with them this weekend. Enjoyed your web site. Thanks. :-) My pond grew from a 150 gallon to about 750 gallon over the past few years. I took that same route an now have a 2000g pond as well. I also have a 300 gallon"indoor pond", Indoor pond? You mean an aquarium? a 100 gallon, 65 gallon 29 gallon and 2 10 gallon aquariums all filled (overstocked!) with goldfish from the outside pond. My wife says one more tank and she's outta here! My husband says the same thing but then wants to see any new fish I bring in - go figure. Common and some fancy goldfish can stay outside all winter where you live. I'm in zone 6 and mine thrive outdoors year round. I have the fancies in the house because I like aquariums. There's a NG for GF fanciers, alt.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish. That space in the corner is big enough for a 75 gallon tank!!! I see another tank in your future. ;-) Its good to see there are still a few people in the group who are interested in discussing ponds! Yes, some of us are still here. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... My "indoor pond" is something of a cross between an aquarium and a pond. It is a plywood framed box which is roughly 2 ft deep and 4 ft wide and 7 feet long on the outside dimensions. It has a liner in it and can only be viewed from the top. I treat it like a pond using pond type filters and aeration. I figure it contains about 250 or so gallons once you subtract for the thickness of the walls. I've got an indoor puddle too, about the same size as yours. This is the first year for it. I have about 25 goldfish of various kinds--nothing fancy--comets, shebunkins and such. They range from about 4 inches to 8-9 inches long. My 20 month old grand daughter loves to watch them jump around when she comes over to feed them (truth is so do I!!). Mine has nine smallish Goldfish and numerous fry from the outdoor pond. I also had to move one of the aquarium GF (8") a few weeks ago, as he kept having water quality issues in the tank (75g). The others are just regular aquariums. I figure I have about 150 fish in total ranging from last year's hatch to some 4-5 year olds. You said you're in Zone 6, so am I here in NJ. Where abouts are you? I'm in 5b (Ontario). "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... "Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... That's kind of what I was thinking. I'll probably spend some time with them this weekend. Enjoyed your web site. Thanks. :-) My pond grew from a 150 gallon to about 750 gallon over the past few years. I took that same route an now have a 2000g pond as well. I also have a 300 gallon"indoor pond", Indoor pond? You mean an aquarium? a 100 gallon, 65 gallon 29 gallon and 2 10 gallon aquariums all filled (overstocked!) with goldfish from the outside pond. My wife says one more tank and she's outta here! My husband says the same thing but then wants to see any new fish I bring in - go figure. Common and some fancy goldfish can stay outside all winter where you live. I'm in zone 6 and mine thrive outdoors year round. I have the fancies in the house because I like aquariums. There's a NG for GF fanciers, alt.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish. That space in the corner is big enough for a 75 gallon tank!!! I see another tank in your future. ;-) Its good to see there are still a few people in the group who are interested in discussing ponds! Yes, some of us are still here. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... My "indoor pond" is something of a cross between an aquarium and a pond. It is a plywood framed box which is roughly 2 ft deep and 4 ft wide and 7 feet long on the outside dimensions. It has a liner in it and can only be viewed from the top. I treat it like a pond using pond type filters and aeration. I figure it contains about 250 or so gallons once you subtract for the thickness of the walls. I have about 25 goldfish of various kinds--nothing fancy--comets, shebunkins and such. They range from about 4 inches to 8-9 inches long. My 20 month old grand daughter loves to watch them jump around when she comes over to feed them (truth is so do I!!). The others are just regular aquariums. I figure I have about 150 fish in total ranging from last year's hatch to some 4-5 year olds. You said you're in Zone 6, so am I here in NJ. Where abouts are you? ======================== Just outside of Nashville TN. We can get some cold weather here. I don't bring my GF in for the winter. I do have some fancies in the house but they too would probably thrive outdoors year round. My ponds and pools ice over but I always have a small aerator to keep an opening in the ice for gas exchange. Your indoor pond sounds pretty nice. :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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I should have mentioned that I also use the indoor pond for wintering over
my tropicals. Right now I have 5 umbrella palms ranging from 2 ft to almost 5 feet tall in there along with a few Cana, a few hostas and horsetail rush. The Cana has been in there since November and is about to bloom. I have other Cana scattered around the house which are in bloom now. All of my plants need splitting but I think I'll wait until I can put them back outside. I'll be glad to send a pic but don't think we're supposed to do that to the group. Cheers, "Koi-Lo" wrote in message ... "Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... My "indoor pond" is something of a cross between an aquarium and a pond. It is a plywood framed box which is roughly 2 ft deep and 4 ft wide and 7 feet long on the outside dimensions. It has a liner in it and can only be viewed from the top. I treat it like a pond using pond type filters and aeration. I figure it contains about 250 or so gallons once you subtract for the thickness of the walls. I have about 25 goldfish of various kinds--nothing fancy--comets, shebunkins and such. They range from about 4 inches to 8-9 inches long. My 20 month old grand daughter loves to watch them jump around when she comes over to feed them (truth is so do I!!). The others are just regular aquariums. I figure I have about 150 fish in total ranging from last year's hatch to some 4-5 year olds. You said you're in Zone 6, so am I here in NJ. Where abouts are you? ======================== Just outside of Nashville TN. We can get some cold weather here. I don't bring my GF in for the winter. I do have some fancies in the house but they too would probably thrive outdoors year round. My ponds and pools ice over but I always have a small aerator to keep an opening in the ice for gas exchange. Your indoor pond sounds pretty nice. :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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NO.. leave the leaves alone. at this time of year the fish immune system is not
working. it is best to not stress fish until 10 days after the temp has been above 55oF and will be for a while. dont disturb a CLEAR tranquil pond. at low temps there is very little organic degradation going on anyway so the leaves are going to just basically sit there until the water warms up. BTW, I have heard that oak leaves because they are acidic and bacteria dont like acidic are somewhat protective in winter. in any case, at cold temps there is little breakdown of leaves. it is the "other stuff" like mulm at the bottom that can continue to ferment and break down giving off toxic gases, like leaves that fell during the summer and broke down. Ingrid "Tom Puskar" wrote: I'm in central NJ and we've had a warm season so far. My pond had hardly frozen over at all and the fish are active most days. The water is crystal clear but a lot of leaves have figured out how to get into the pond even though I have netting over it. My question is should I be removing the leaves and risk disturbing an otherwise tranquil pond or would it be better to wait until Spring cleaning? Thanks, Tom in Howell, NJ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the recommendations I make. AND I DID NOT AUTHORIZE ADS AT THE OLD PUREGOLD SITE |
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"Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... I should have mentioned that I also use the indoor pond for wintering over my tropicals. Right now I have 5 umbrella palms ranging from 2 ft to almost 5 feet tall in there along with a few Cana, a few hostas and horsetail rush. The Cana has been in there since November and is about to bloom. I have other Cana scattered around the house which are in bloom now. All of my plants need splitting but I think I'll wait until I can put them back outside. I'll be glad to send a pic but don't think we're supposed to do that to the group. I also took my Umbrella plams inside for the winter. They're just about holding up, which is more than I can say for the WH and lettuce I took in. They just disintegrated ! I noticed our small pond already has Blanketweed growing from the edges. I thought this stuff died in winter ? Peter |
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"Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... I should have mentioned that I also use the indoor pond for wintering over my tropicals. Right now I have 5 umbrella palms ranging from 2 ft to almost 5 feet tall in there along with a few Cana, a few hostas and horsetail rush. The Cana has been in there since November and is about to bloom. I have other Cana scattered around the house which are in bloom now. How are you lighting them? Are they in a sunroom of some kind? What kind of hostas do you have? I have them but they're not pond plants. All of my plants need splitting but I think I'll wait until I can put them back outside. I'll be glad to send a pic but don't think we're supposed to do that to the group. There's an alt.binaries.aquaria NG or you can put it on a free website and post the URL here. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"2pods" wrote in message ... I also took my Umbrella plams inside for the winter. They're just about holding up, which is more than I can say for the WH and lettuce I took in. They just disintegrated ! My umbrella palm faded away in the sunroom. I couldn't keep the spider mites off of it. I did manage to save a small shoot that's still alive. It was from the top of the plant. It may not make it until spring. The water lettuce always lives over in the fishtanks. I noticed our small pond already has Blanketweed growing from the edges. I thought this stuff died in winter ? Nope, I have it growing wild in my 800g pond and that pond was drained and cleaned last fall. I'm in zone 6, not one of the warmest in the USA. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Carols idea of a sun room is the hole in her trailer roof from when the pine tree fell on it, and her husband was too lazy to fix, so its covered with plastic sheeting and they call it a sunroom.......... On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:25:55 -0600, "Koi-Lo" wrote: "Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... I should have mentioned that I also use the indoor pond for wintering over my tropicals. Right now I have 5 umbrella palms ranging from 2 ft to almost 5 feet tall in there along with a few Cana, a few hostas and horsetail rush. The Cana has been in there since November and is about to bloom. I have other Cana scattered around the house which are in bloom now. How are you lighting them? Are they in a sunroom of some kind? What kind of hostas do you have? I have them but they're not pond plants. All of my plants need splitting but I think I'll wait until I can put them back outside. I'll be glad to send a pic but don't think we're supposed to do that to the group. There's an alt.binaries.aquaria NG or you can put it on a free website and post the URL here. -- \\\|/// ( @ @ ) -----------oOOo(_)oOOo--------------- oooO ---------( )----Oooo---------------- \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates.... |
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"2pods" wrote in message ... "Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... I should have mentioned that I also use the indoor pond for wintering over my tropicals. Right now I have 5 umbrella palms ranging from 2 ft to almost 5 feet tall in there along with a few Cana, a few hostas and horsetail rush. The Cana has been in there since November and is about to bloom. I have other Cana scattered around the house which are in bloom now. All of my plants need splitting but I think I'll wait until I can put them back outside. I'll be glad to send a pic but don't think we're supposed to do that to the group. I also took my Umbrella plams inside for the winter. They're just about holding up, which is more than I can say for the WH and lettuce I took in. They just disintegrated ! I noticed our small pond already has Blanketweed growing from the edges. I thought this stuff died in winter ? Peter LOL, I'll send you some WH, they've grown significantly since this picture. |
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"Bill Stock" wrote in message ... "2pods" wrote in message ... "Tom Puskar" wrote in message ... I should have mentioned that I also use the indoor pond for wintering over my tropicals. Right now I have 5 umbrella palms ranging from 2 ft to almost 5 feet tall in there along with a few Cana, a few hostas and horsetail rush. The Cana has been in there since November and is about to bloom. I have other Cana scattered around the house which are in bloom now. All of my plants need splitting but I think I'll wait until I can put them back outside. I'll be glad to send a pic but don't think we're supposed to do that to the group. I also took my Umbrella plams inside for the winter. They're just about holding up, which is more than I can say for the WH and lettuce I took in. They just disintegrated ! I noticed our small pond already has Blanketweed growing from the edges. I thought this stuff died in winter ? Peter LOL, I'll send you some WH, they've grown significantly since this picture. Hi Bill, If only you lived in Scotland.............:-) Peter |
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