Danner Mag Drive......external or submersed....best bang for the buck
and probably one of the most widely used pond pumps in use, as they
are highly reliable

Sequence makes a nice low electrical consumption very efficieint pump
but its strictly external. Probably more pump than you need.


On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:22:30 -0800, lurker lurker wrote:
i was running my bioforce using a 750 bilge pump just to test it, i
like how it worked but now as i expected the pump is near broke.
do bigger or smaller pumps give longer life or does this not matter? i
could get bigger versions because its a river tank but these are what
im considering:

titan 550, capable of pumping solids and requires no prefiltering.

pondmaster mag-drive pumps 500 gph

eheim 1250 317 gph, i've heard eheims are very good but that they are
better for circulation and not for preasurized filters due to it being
designed for circulation..

if someone with more experience in this could give their advice i
would greatly appreciate it. also is there any benefit of having an
external pump instead of internal?




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The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates....

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Moments before spontaneously combusting lurker was heard to say:

thanks koi-lo, cant help notice most advice i get here is from you.
Pondmaster Pond-Mag 5 500GPH does sound like a lot of bang for the
buck and i may reconsider the titan now.

Your welcome, but remember there are *TWO* Koi-Los posting here now.

the titan mentions how its specially designed to prevent clogging and
motor damage by using max filter max surface area and a thermal
resettable fuse.

Always use something to prevent clogging. I myself use 2 black pond plant
pots set together like a clam-shell to protect my pumps. I cut a hole for
the wire and outlet hose and wire them together. Cheap and easily replaced.
They don't clog easily either.

would putting the danner mag drive external prolong the pumps life?
just curious if i should start thinking of ways to mount the pump or
if i have to look into prefiltering. basically im looking for the
longest life and like how danners use only one moving part. cool.

Just keep pond trash from getting sucked into the impeller area.

thanks again, still going to research and will decide tomorrow.

Always do research before you make a purchase. It saves time and money down
the road. ;-)
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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

,
Moments before spontaneously combusting lurker was heard to ask:
also have you noticed if the bigger or the smaller pumps have a longer
life span? because the price on the bigger pumps are only a few bucks
more and currents not an issue. any idea or do all pumps break random?
============
In my experience the larger ones last longer. I have a Big Versa still
running every summer since 1996. It's outlived all the smaller pumps by
several years.
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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

,
Moments before spontaneously combusting lurker was heard to say:

its between Pondmaster 700GPH and the Pondmaster 950GPH, and you are
right either is plenty of pump for 120 gallons.

I have a 500gph on my smallest 150g pond. It works great - it filters as
well as runs the small waterfall. It filters because I set it in a plant
basket and wrapped plastic window screen around it. Nice, cheap, easy to
hose clean and the impeller is protected from trash.

im not sure if this
will make much a difference from the 500gph but i dont see the harm in
going bigger just incase.

That depends on the fish you plan to keep. Some, like fancy goldfish, don't
like a strong current.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Moments before spontaneously combusting lurker was heard to ask:

im not so much worried about too much current as much as my filter not
being able to handle it. seems to do ok with the 750 but was designed
for a 550! i pretty much made up my mind on going with the mag pump
though.

about prefiltering, your ideas sound like they would work good.
could i cut out a peice of normal filter material that holds bacteria
in external filters and just place it over the pumps intake? or would
covering the entire pump be necessary.
===============================
Don't just cover the intake itself or the filtering material can clog and
slow or stop the water flow. I wrap the entire pump in the window screen -
at least 2 or 3 layers. I don't depend on my pumps being biological
filters. If the screen is stiff and don't want to stay in place I put some
stones over it to keep down.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

i was running my bioforce using a 750 bilge pump just to test it, i
like how it worked but now as i expected the pump is near broke.
do bigger or smaller pumps give longer life or does this not matter? i
could get bigger versions because its a river tank but these are what
im considering:

titan 550, capable of pumping solids and requires no prefiltering.

pondmaster mag-drive pumps 500 gph

eheim 1250 317 gph, i've heard eheims are very good but that they are
better for circulation and not for preasurized filters due to it being
designed for circulation..

if someone with more experience in this could give their advice i
would greatly appreciate it. also is there any benefit of having an
external pump instead of internal?

Moments before spontaneously combusting lurker at lurker was heard to
say:

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:03:32 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Don't just cover the intake itself or the filtering material can
clog and slow or stop the water flow. I wrap the entire pump in the
window screen - at least 2 or 3 layers. I don't depend on my pumps
being biological filters. If the screen is stiff and don't want to
stay in place I put some stones over it to keep down.

excellent idea, i used fish tank net before. do you thin the window
screen is ok for the water, i have no idea what its made of?

I buy the plastic window screen and it is safe. I rinse it first of course
to remove any dust before using. It lasts for a few years.

i found the specs on both and it seems like the titan may take less
energy, suprising, check this out.
http://www.foryourfish.com/cgi-bin/w...FYF-PS-PF5.htm
would like to hear your opinion on the design if possible too. is it
more complicated and more likely to break do you believe? thanks
again.
========================
It looks like an excellent pump to me but the price seems a bit high. Look
at the Danner Pumps,.... shop around. You can get a 3000gph mag drive pump
for $109.99. Check out the Foster & Smith website www.DrsfosterSmith.com
and compare prices and GPH.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

eheim 1250 317 gph, i've heard eheims are very good but that they are
better for circulation and not for preasurized filters due to it being
designed for circulation..

also this pump can be ran externally or submerged. not sure if this
matters.

Moments before spontaneously combusting lurker was heard opining:

eheim 1250 317 gph, i've heard eheims are very good but that they are
better for circulation and not for preasurized filters due to it
being designed for circulation..

also this pump can be ran externally or submerged. not sure if this
matters.
=================
That would depend on what you wanted to use it for. I use all mine
submerged.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

thanks koi-lo, cant help notice most advice i get here is from you.
Pondmaster Pond-Mag 5 500GPH does sound like a lot of bang for the
buck and i may reconsider the titan now.

the titan mentions how its specially designed to prevent clogging and
motor damage by using max filter max surface area and a thermal
resettable fuse.

would putting the danner mag drive external prolong the pumps life?
just curious if i should start thinking of ways to mount the pump or
if i have to look into prefiltering. basically im looking for the
longest life and like how danners use only one moving part. cool.

thanks again, still going to research and will decide tomorrow.


On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:08:16 GMT, (Koi-Lo) wrote:


Danner Mag Drive......external or submersed....best bang for the buck
and probably one of the most widely used pond pumps in use, as they
are highly reliable

Sequence makes a nice low electrical consumption very efficieint pump
but its strictly external. Probably more pump than you need.

also have you noticed if the bigger or the smaller pumps have a longer
life span? because the price on the bigger pumps are only a few bucks
more and currents not an issue. any idea or do all pumps break random?

its between Pondmaster 700GPH and the Pondmaster 950GPH, and you are
right either is plenty of pump for 120 gallons. im not sure if this
will make much a difference from the 500gph but i dont see the harm in
going bigger just incase.

On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:57:24 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

,
Moments before spontaneously combusting lurker was heard to ask:
also have you noticed if the bigger or the smaller pumps have a longer
life span? because the price on the bigger pumps are only a few bucks
more and currents not an issue. any idea or do all pumps break random?
============
In my experience the larger ones last longer. I have a Big Versa still
running every summer since 1996. It's outlived all the smaller pumps by
several years.

im not so much worried about too much current as much as my filter not
being able to handle it. seems to do ok with the 750 but was designed
for a 550! i pretty much made up my mind on going with the mag pump
though.

about prefiltering, your ideas sound like they would work good.
could i cut out a peice of normal filter material that holds bacteria
in external filters and just place it over the pumps intake? or would
covering the entire pump be necessary.

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:18:32 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


I have a 500gph on my smallest 150g pond. It works great - it filters as
well as runs the small waterfall. It filters because I set it in a plant
basket and wrapped plastic window screen around it. Nice, cheap, easy to
hose clean and the impeller is protected from trash.

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:03:32 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Don't just cover the intake itself or the filtering material can clog and
slow or stop the water flow. I wrap the entire pump in the window screen -
at least 2 or 3 layers. I don't depend on my pumps being biological
filters. If the screen is stiff and don't want to stay in place I put some
stones over it to keep down.

excellent idea, i used fish tank net before. do you thin the window
screen is ok for the water, i have no idea what its made of?

i found the specs on both and it seems like the titan may take less
energy, suprising, check this out.
http://www.foryourfish.com/cgi-bin/w...FYF-PS-PF5.htm
would like to hear your opinion on the design if possible too. is it
more complicated and more likely to break do you believe? thanks
again.

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:19:45 -0800, lurker lurker wrote:

excellent idea, i used fish tank net before. do you thin the window
screen is ok for the water, i have no idea what its made of?

Yes.

Many of us have used window screening (I think it is vinyl covered
fiberglass) in our filters. ~ jan

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