Our pond society is considering is considering buying a Pond o Vac 3 or 2
for use by the membership at a small rental/maintenance fee. We have not
worked out all the details but one major one has come up:

What would have to be done to insure that if one pond had KHV or just bad
bacterial and parasites, that it did not get transfered to other ponds?

I don't know if anyone has a legal background but how 'legal' would we have
to be to insure against someone suing (successfully) because they lost fish
due to possible cross contamination.

Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

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humBill wrote:
Our pond society is considering is considering buying a Pond o Vac 3 or 2
for use by the membership at a small rental/maintenance fee. We have not
worked out all the details but one major one has come up:

What would have to be done to insure that if one pond had KHV or just bad
bacterial and parasites, that it did not get transfered to other ponds?

Why couldn't you just sterilize it by running 70% isopropanol through it for
a few hours? Potassium permanganate, dark enouh to obscure light or 24 hours
in a salt solution are also recommended (by Untergasser) sterilizers.

I don't know if anyone has a legal background but how 'legal' would we have
to be to insure against someone suing (successfully) because they lost fish
due to possible cross contamination.

Anybody can sue you anytime in America. There's nothing you can do about
that. Whether their suit has any merit and how to prtect yourself
against litigation are questions for a competant attorney in good
standing in your are and only a fool would take guesses from usenet
about legal issues.


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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:33:39 GMT, "humBill" wrote:

Our pond society is considering is considering buying a Pond o Vac 3 or 2
for use by the membership at a small rental/maintenance fee. We have not
worked out all the details but one major one has come up:

What would have to be done to insure that if one pond had KHV or just bad
bacterial and parasites, that it did not get transfered to other ponds?

I don't know if anyone has a legal background but how 'legal' would we have
to be to insure against someone suing (successfully) because they lost fish
due to possible cross contamination.

Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

A ratio of bleach & water is usually the standard method for cleaning
something. There might be something regarding this at the AKCA.org website
or Google for it. ~ jan

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Thanks for your suggestions. Anything involving 'running' the system for
very long seems impractical as we definitely talking about the wand, hose
etc so this would require quite a 'loop'. It is interesting. I have called
a couple of pond maintenance services around here. It is pretty clear to me
that they are suggesting a way to clean it, but it is not there normal
practice.

I will continue looking.

Bill

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:33:39 GMT, "humBill" wrote:

Our pond society is considering is considering buying a Pond o Vac 3 or 2
for use by the membership at a small rental/maintenance fee. We have not
worked out all the details but one major one has come up:

What would have to be done to insure that if one pond had KHV or just bad
bacterial and parasites, that it did not get transfered to other ponds?

I don't know if anyone has a legal background but how 'legal' would we
have
to be to insure against someone suing (successfully) because they lost
fish
due to possible cross contamination.

Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

A ratio of bleach & water is usually the standard method for cleaning
something. There might be something regarding this at the AKCA.org website
or Google for it. ~ jan

--------------
See my ponds and filter design:
www.jjspond.us

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:12:36 GMT, humBill wrote:

Thanks for your suggestions. Anything involving 'running' the system for
very long seems impractical as we definitely talking about the wand, hose
etc so this would require quite a 'loop'. It is interesting. I have called
a couple of pond maintenance services around here. It is pretty clear to me
that they are suggesting a way to clean it, but it is not there normal
practice.

Isn't it just anything that goes in the water that needs disinfecting.
They don't filter the water and put it back in do they? The insides of
the wand/hose only have water that's being thrown away so all you
really need to do is spray the outside with a disinfectant I would have
thought.

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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:12:36 GMT, "humBill" wrote:

Thanks for your suggestions. Anything involving 'running' the system for
very long seems impractical as we definitely talking about the wand, hose
etc so this would require quite a 'loop'. It is interesting. I have called
a couple of pond maintenance services around here. It is pretty clear to me
that they are suggesting a way to clean it, but it is not there normal
practice.

Boy, howdy, I can believe that. Pond Cleaning Professionals, and I use the
term lightly in this case, probably know a lot about getting the muck out.
Koi/Goldfish health is a whole foreign concept.

Around here we have quite a few people who can built magnificent
waterfalls, just about every high-end professional building locally sprouts
one now days. But quiz them on bottom drains and filtration for fish and
that's where their expertise stops. Unfortunately we have too many
nonprofessional professional waterfall builders who can talk a good game
just to get business. (Consumer: "Love the waterfall, hate the pond"
comments heard.) s

Beware the buyer, behold the internet before buying. ~ jan

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www.jjspond.us

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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Moments before spontaneously combusting Rodney Pont at
was heard opining:

Isn't it just anything that goes in the water that needs disinfecting.
They don't filter the water and put it back in do they? The insides of
the wand/hose only have water that's being thrown away so all you
really need to do is spray the outside with a disinfectant I would
have thought.
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Which may or may not kill viruses. After losing almost every fish I had to
contagious ulcers a few years ago I would rather buy my own vac than borrow
one.
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As another poster has said, anyone can sue anyone it seems, so t may be
dificult to avoid a lawsuit. I have a sample waiver I could send to you
that might work. Also, the whole point in suing someone is to get
compensation for damages, real or imagined. If the pond society has no
money and no insurance there really isn't much point in suing - the
plaintiff has all the expense and at the end of the process there is no
money to pay him anything.

Lastly, to be successful the plaintiff has to show that the pond vac caused
the alleged contamination and not some other cause (wading birds, ducks
etc,newly purchased fish or plants). This would be harder, I think, re a
pond than it would, say for an indoor aquarium.

Just my $.,02
"humBill" wrote in message
t...
Our pond society is considering is considering buying a Pond o Vac 3 or 2
for use by the membership at a small rental/maintenance fee. We have not
worked out all the details but one major one has come up:

What would have to be done to insure that if one pond had KHV or just bad
bacterial and parasites, that it did not get transfered to other ponds?

I don't know if anyone has a legal background but how 'legal' would we
have to be to insure against someone suing (successfully) because they
lost fish due to possible cross contamination.

Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

Thanks for your reply - I just say it. Yes I do understand that anyone CAN
sue, which is why I said succesfully. If you are willing, please do send me
the waiver, although I must admit if we do it I may very well get a lawyer
to draw up one. Unfortunately, we actually do have enough money that
someone might think we are a bona fide target (around $15k).
Bill

"Doug Brown" wrote in message
...
As another poster has said, anyone can sue anyone it seems, so t may be
dificult to avoid a lawsuit. I have a sample waiver I could send to you
that might work. Also, the whole point in suing someone is to get
compensation for damages, real or imagined. If the pond society has no
money and no insurance there really isn't much point in suing - the
plaintiff has all the expense and at the end of the process there is no
money to pay him anything.

Lastly, to be successful the plaintiff has to show that the pond vac
caused the alleged contamination and not some other cause (wading birds,
ducks etc,newly purchased fish or plants). This would be harder, I think,
re a pond than it would, say for an indoor aquarium.

Just my $.,02
"humBill" wrote in message
t...
Our pond society is considering is considering buying a Pond o Vac 3 or 2
for use by the membership at a small rental/maintenance fee. We have not
worked out all the details but one major one has come up:

What would have to be done to insure that if one pond had KHV or just bad
bacterial and parasites, that it did not get transfered to other ponds?

I don't know if anyone has a legal background but how 'legal' would we
have to be to insure against someone suing (successfully) because they
lost fish due to possible cross contamination.

Bill Brister - Austin, Texas