The whole idea behind RPM is to have a place to talk about ponds and
stuff without all the noise and bickering that goes on in rec.ponds,
period. It isn't to ban anyone, determine fault, gang up on folks,
favor one side of an argument over another, none of that stuff. As
such, all posts, no matter who wrote them, are welcome. The
moderators read through them, and try their best to separate the wheat
from the chaff. Sometimes we make mistakes, and some of them are
quite impressive. Some days we lurch one way, and seem to be biased
towards some, then we may head off in a seemingly different direction,
perhaps even appearing to be biased against those we may have been
viewed as favoring just a few weeks before. There isn't a roadmap for
all of this. We will screw up, and badly. But we will get some
things right too. The moderators bicker and fight amongst
themselves, that's for sure, but we hammer things out and try to move
on. So squawk a lot, a bunch of us still read here, the input isn't
unnoticed. We'll try to take steps to straighten things out.
Sometimes I need a 2x4 applied to my head repeatedly to get my
attention, but eventually even I come around. Keep making noise. If
there is a legit complaint, eventually we'll make the proper
adjustment.

I am a moderator of rec.ponds.moderated, but in no way speak for all
the moderators of rec.ponds.moderated.
--
Galen Hekhuis
"Mistakes were made"

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:55:40 GMT, Feyd Rautha wrote:

Galen, I sent one post that was on topic, and it got rejected. It was a
request, a simple request. Let face it. It got rejected because of the
poster, not the content.

read it for yourself.



Your message has been rejected because it appears to be off topic
according to the Charter of rec.ponds.moderated.
If you wish, you may rewrite this message so that it is on-topic,
and then resubmit it.
...

[snip]

Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned that we are going to screw
up, and screw up big sometimes. We can beat ourselves to a bloody
pulp and have "mea culpas" all over the place and rack ourselves with
guilt. Or we can get over it and try to move on. At least that's
what I'm trying to do, with the knowledge that I *will* screw up yet
again. It isn't a comforting thought.
--
Galen Hekhuis
"Mistakes were made"

Galen Hekhuis wrote:

Sometimes I need a 2x4 applied to my head repeatedly to get my
attention, but eventually even I come around.

"But first, you gotta get his attention..."

Most of the noise I see here is clearly in frustration over NOT being able
to do the sorts of things in RPM that the people who prefer heat over light
would like to do. If people bitch about you, you must be doing a good job!

Don't get too upset over mistakes; nobody is perfect.

Except, perhaps, me.

Yeah, it's still frozen.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:25:16 GMT, Feyd Rautha wrote:

Maybe you missed the Part, when we knew that human factor and prejudices
of moderation would play a part in the moderation team. Also these kinks
were supposed to be iron out before you guys went online.

I could make excuses, but in the end all that is really important is
that they weren't all ironed out. I don't know that personal feelings
can ever truly be divorced from any decision, but that is more of a
philosophical discussion. It would be nice if moderation software
existed that could take all human intervention out, but it doesn't
exist. We do the best we can.

Galen, why did you guys created RPM? Be honest now.

I can only really speak for me, I got into it so that there might be
someplace to talk about ponds without all the other stuff. I've been
around USENET long enough to know that nym and reply-to type changes
are trivial. My own IP address has changed at least six times over
the past four months with no input from me whatsoever. You know it
isn't possible to ban someone, I know it isn't possible to ban
someone, any coding or attempt to do so is too easily defeated.
--
Galen Hekhuis
"Mistakes were made"

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:06:41 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
wrote:

The whole idea behind RPM is to have a place to talk about ponds and
stuff without all the noise and bickering that goes on in rec.ponds,
period. It isn't to ban anyone, determine fault, gang up on folks,
favor one side of an argument over another, none of that stuff. As
such, all posts, no matter who wrote them, are welcome. The
moderators read through them, and try their best to separate the wheat
from the chaff. Sometimes we make mistakes, and some of them are
quite impressive. Some days we lurch one way, and seem to be biased
towards some, then we may head off in a seemingly different direction,
perhaps even appearing to be biased against those we may have been
viewed as favoring just a few weeks before. There isn't a roadmap for
all of this. We will screw up, and badly. But we will get some
things right too. The moderators bicker and fight amongst
themselves, that's for sure, but we hammer things out and try to move
on. So squawk a lot, a bunch of us still read here, the input isn't
unnoticed. We'll try to take steps to straighten things out.
Sometimes I need a 2x4 applied to my head repeatedly to get my
attention, but eventually even I come around. Keep making noise. If
there is a legit complaint, eventually we'll make the proper
adjustment.

I am a moderator of rec.ponds.moderated, but in no way speak for all
the moderators of rec.ponds.moderated.
Wrong Galen, totally wrong, I had submitted a few posts last night to
rpm and not a one was approved. Simple little posts trying to get
more interest stirred up on things that may have sounded mundane but
stil on topic..Such as What exactly is PH, edibiity of Koi, and if yu
remember this same topic was kicked abut and was said it wuld be
appropved ..ring a bell? Wel guess what, it was not approved nor
was half a dozen other posts, none with any inflamatory comments or
subject matter in them, Yur a freakingbiased and prejudiced...not hard
to figure out at all.


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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

No, there isn't. Its much easier to secretly ignore and reject a post
from someone they dislike or do not want to hear from. What happened
to my on topic posts 2 or three of them IIRC that never got a reject
notice or posted..Pure and simple pejudiced mods, and the board does
ban in a round about way ........Derek needs to resign and you al know
it Galen. Derek is what has created this tiff on the group and the
newest crap fest...plain and simple......and it ony shows that the
rest of the mods are not squeaky clean either as they failto take any
action on any issues or even a simple issue in a timely manner......

Bias and ban is what rpm is all about! Not hard to see it.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:57:43 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:25:16 GMT, Feyd Rautha wrote:

Maybe you missed the Part, when we knew that human factor and prejudices
of moderation would play a part in the moderation team. Also these kinks
were supposed to be iron out before you guys went online.

I could make excuses, but in the end all that is really important is
that they weren't all ironed out. I don't know that personal feelings
can ever truly be divorced from any decision, but that is more of a
philosophical discussion. It would be nice if moderation software
existed that could take all human intervention out, but it doesn't
exist. We do the best we can.

Galen, why did you guys created RPM? Be honest now.

I can only really speak for me, I got into it so that there might be
someplace to talk about ponds without all the other stuff. I've been
around USENET long enough to know that nym and reply-to type changes
are trivial. My own IP address has changed at least six times over
the past four months with no input from me whatsoever. You know it
isn't possible to ban someone, I know it isn't possible to ban
someone, any coding or attempt to do so is too easily defeated.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

In article RU8Ph.101$P84.34@trnddc07, Feyd Rautha wrote:

[...]

Again I would have to ask why was RPM created?

Well, from one person's point of view, it was created so that you could argue
with each other there instead of in news.groups.

In article Pn9Ph.116$P84.48@trnddc07, Feyd Rautha wrote:
David Bostwick wrote:
In article RU8Ph.101$P84.34@trnddc07, Feyd Rautha wrote:

[...]

Again I would have to ask why was RPM created?

Well, from one person's point of view, it was created so that you could argue
with each other there instead of in news.groups.

trust me, I would have posted this on NGP. But you know how that would
have gone.

If you want to fuss at each other, fine, just don't do it in news.groups.
It's off-topic there (and probably also in n.g.p), and most people outside of
your group don't really care about your personal disagreements. If I'm upset
with my neighbor, I don't stand in the bank lobby and tell everyone there.

Galen the "Forest Gump" of usenet!

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:19:12 GMT, Gary Woods
wrote:

Galen Hekhuis wrote:

Sometimes I need a 2x4 applied to my head repeatedly to get my
attention, but eventually even I come around.

"But first, you gotta get his attention..."

Most of the noise I see here is clearly in frustration over NOT being able
to do the sorts of things in RPM that the people who prefer heat over light
would like to do. If people bitch about you, you must be doing a good job!

Don't get too upset over mistakes; nobody is perfect.

Except, perhaps, me.

Yeah, it's still frozen.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

It needs to be brought to light just how moderated groups employ
tactics out of the realm of their so called charters, so other groups
do not get sucked in by peope like Jayne in hopes of creating a so
called controlable environment that works againnst the charters...

Thats why this crap is posted to news.groups as well.....

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:14 GMT,
(David Bostwick) wrote:

In article Pn9Ph.116$P84.48@trnddc07, Feyd Rautha wrote:
David Bostwick wrote:
In article RU8Ph.101$P84.34@trnddc07, Feyd Rautha wrote:

[...]

Again I would have to ask why was RPM created?

Well, from one person's point of view, it was created so that you could argue
with each other there instead of in news.groups.

trust me, I would have posted this on NGP. But you know how that would
have gone.

If you want to fuss at each other, fine, just don't do it in news.groups.
It's off-topic there (and probably also in n.g.p), and most people outside of
your group don't really care about your personal disagreements. If I'm upset
with my neighbor, I don't stand in the bank lobby and tell everyone there.



-------
I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:10:18 -0600, ~Windsong~
wrote:



Galen the "Forest Gump" of usenet!

But life *is* like a box of chocolates...
--
Galen Hekhuis
"Mistakes were made"