Hi the

I'm new here and thought I should introduce myself. My husband and I
are getting ready to overhaul our backyard, and he really wants a
pond. That's okay with me, so I'd like to hear from any of you that
would like to offer advice to a beginner in Zone 3. We're pretty
handy and avid gardeners. Any sites that have info you recommend
reading? Any things I mustn't forget? We'd like to have fish
eventually (we breed cichlids indoors) and we'd like to have some
water movement or a small waterfall.

Thanks,
Cynthia

Hello Cynthia,
Welcome to rec.ponds.
Here are some good sites to start with:
http://www.pondrushes.net/
and
http://www.geocities.com/bickal2000/pond.htm
and
http://www.fishpondinfo.com

My most important tip is do not overstock.


k30a

Jacquard_The_Ripper wrote:

I'm new here and thought I should introduce myself. My husband and I
are getting ready to overhaul our backyard, and he really wants a
pond. That's okay with me, so I'd like to hear from any of you that
would like to offer advice to a beginner in Zone 3.

Dig deep. Winters are going to be your problem, says john here in zone
5, who has struggled for a couple of years, keeping the pond going over
the winter.

Jacquard_The_Ripper wrote:
Hi the

I'm new here and thought I should introduce myself. My husband and I
are getting ready to overhaul our backyard, and he really wants a
pond. That's okay with me, so I'd like to hear from any of you that
would like to offer advice to a beginner in Zone 3. We're pretty
handy and avid gardeners. Any sites that have info you recommend
reading? Any things I mustn't forget? We'd like to have fish
eventually (we breed cichlids indoors) and we'd like to have some
water movement or a small waterfall.

Thanks,
Cynthia

Put in the largest pond you can afford. If you don't you'll
be adding another one next year. Also, read all the books
you can put your hands on, Helen Nash's Low-Maintence Water
Garden and The Complete Pond Builder are two good books
-there are many others.
K30a will have a list of sites to visit.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

Zone 3?? Plan on bringing your fishies inside! Your
winters are fierce and long. I don't think you'd be happy
knowing your fishies were freezing their tushes off out
in a pond.... no matter how deep you dig.
BTW, I do believe that a 5 foot depth would be as
shallow as I'd go!

Nedra in Missouri
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Jacquard_The_Ripper" wrote in message
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Hi the

I'm new here and thought I should introduce myself. My husband and I
are getting ready to overhaul our backyard, and he really wants a
pond. That's okay with me, so I'd like to hear from any of you that
would like to offer advice to a beginner in Zone 3. We're pretty
handy and avid gardeners. Any sites that have info you recommend
reading? Any things I mustn't forget? We'd like to have fish
eventually (we breed cichlids indoors) and we'd like to have some
water movement or a small waterfall.

Thanks,
Cynthia

Put in the largest pond you can afford. If you don't you'll
be adding another one next year. Also, read all the books
you can put your hands on, Helen Nash's Low-Maintence Water
Garden and The Complete Pond Builder are two good books
-there are many others.
K30a will have a list of sites to visit.

--
Bonnie
NJ

I have to agree with Bonnie. We started out with two preformed ponds of a few
hundred gallons and within two years we built a 3500 gallon one. One thing to
make sure you do is to plan ahead for your plantings. We ended up improvising
after finishing the pond by using bricks and milk crates to prop up the plants
to a level that's happy for them and to accomodate layers of plantings.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:51:51 GMT, "Nedra"
wrote:

Zone 3?? Plan on bringing your fishies inside! Your
winters are fierce and long. I don't think you'd be happy
knowing your fishies were freezing their tushes off out
in a pond.... no matter how deep you dig.
BTW, I do believe that a 5 foot depth would be as
shallow as I'd go!

LOL yes, we figured that. We think we can leave the fish out from May
until October, and then they can come inside. And yes, we know it has
to be deep. We were thinking roughly 8' by 12' and about 5' deep at
the deepest.

Cynthia

Hi Cynthia,

As so many have suggested, find out how deep it has to be to avoid freezing
solid. Enjoy the books and the addictive hobby. We love our
addiction/ponds.

J

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"Jacquard_The_Ripper" wrote in message
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Hi the

I'm new here and thought I should introduce myself. My husband and I
are getting ready to overhaul our backyard, and he really wants a
pond. That's okay with me, so I'd like to hear from any of you that
would like to offer advice to a beginner in Zone 3. We're pretty
handy and avid gardeners. Any sites that have info you recommend
reading? Any things I mustn't forget? We'd like to have fish
eventually (we breed cichlids indoors) and we'd like to have some
water movement or a small waterfall.

Thanks,
Cynthia

John Hines wrote:
Jacquard_The_Ripper wrote:


I'm new here and thought I should introduce myself. My husband and I
are getting ready to overhaul our backyard, and he really wants a
pond. That's okay with me, so I'd like to hear from any of you that
would like to offer advice to a beginner in Zone 3.


Dig deep. Winters are going to be your problem, says john here in zone
5, who has struggled for a couple of years, keeping the pond going over
the winter.



in z 3 i would go 5 - 6 ft deep in at least one quarter of the pond if
not more to keep an area ice free and warmer for the fish
--
John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

seriously, seriously consider designing a greenhouse over the pond right from the get
go. You will want to bring the fish inside before the water temp drops below 55oF as
that is when their immune system stops functioning effectively. And once they are
warm inside you cannot take them out and dump them into a cold pond either. So the
water is going to have to be somewhere around 60-65oF even if you keep the koi in the
basement.
I have a greenhouse arrangement over my koi pond in zone 5. The pond is 4 feet deep,
but 1.5 feet above ground level (not good for keeping the warmth in).
I started feeding around April 15 when the water is above 55oF.
I quit feeding around Oct 8th when the temp drops below 55oF.
A greenhouse is going to get you more time to sit by the pond and enjoy, and going to
warm that water up faster. Ingrid


(Jacquard_The_Ripper) wrote:
LOL yes, we figured that. We think we can leave the fish out from May
until October, and then they can come inside. And yes, we know it has
to be deep. We were thinking roughly 8' by 12' and about 5' deep at
the deepest.


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Do you have a picture of this set up?

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seriously, seriously consider designing a greenhouse over the pond right
from the get
go. You will want to bring the fish inside before the water temp drops
below 55oF as
that is when their immune system stops functioning effectively. And once
they are
warm inside you cannot take them out and dump them into a cold pond
either. So the
water is going to have to be somewhere around 60-65oF even if you keep the
koi in the
basement.
I have a greenhouse arrangement over my koi pond in zone 5. The pond is 4
feet deep,
but 1.5 feet above ground level (not good for keeping the warmth in).
I started feeding around April 15 when the water is above 55oF.
I quit feeding around Oct 8th when the temp drops below 55oF.
A greenhouse is going to get you more time to sit by the pond and enjoy,
and going to
warm that water up faster. Ingrid