wrote:

There is a specific warning about "offal" which includes intestines. intestines also
includes lymphatic tissues sites of immune system cells called Peyers patches.
lymphatic tissue is suspect including the spleen, another large site of immune cells.

every time animals take a dump cells of the intestines are scraped off with the crap.

Oh. I'd never heard of the lymph tissue link. Nor that it was also
found in the intestines.

(Now if it was certain people in another news group, I'd not have
the least doubt how they ended up with something that was supposed to
be inside everyone *elses* skull ended up mixed with their dung.)

(Not to mention any names.)

rabbits are rather inefficient and even my dogs would go for rabbit poop in a big
way.

Dogs, pigs, bear, lots of animals, any type of dung not from their own
species. I guess deer could lip some up easily, without most people
being in a position to see what they were doing.


I would be very interested in what the other group has to say about CWD
transmission in deer.

Jan has not gotten back with any info that I've seen. She is good
people and usually pretty level headed, even if she pays too much
attention to PBS G.

I know the game farms have admitted feeding meat/bone meal to
game animals and losing them over fences.

Thought they did that. There is also a bit of freelance
feeding of wildlife (there is a big industry based on that),
and some of the augmentation feed intended to grow bigger antlers
might have started some of the infections.

Here in Wisconsin there was a guy up north that was a big hunter, had these huge
dinner parties with lots of wild game of all kinds. He has died of CJD and I have
heard so have some of his guests. So eating a lot of wild game it is more likely to
get an infected animal AND get a big enough dose to cause disease.

Wellll, hampsters are kind of short lived. If I understand how prions
"multiply", one prion surviving to reach a safe area in a human could
eventually corrupt enough other proteins to become a problem. Kuru
had maybe a 40yr incubation?

Yes, there sure are all kinds of prion diseases. Ingrid

(shudder) As I understand, not all of them are a problem, though?

Anne Lurie wrote:

Has it occurred to anyone else here in the US that *lumber* is apparently
tracked more accurately than food is????

If I buy a 2x4 at Home Depot, it can apparently be tracked throughout its
whole life -- which seems to be quite simple compared to figuring out this
whole mad cow mess.

LOL, I work in the fish processing industry in Alaska. One of my
co-workers made the crack that someone he knew who dealt with
radioactive material had less paperwork shipping and tracking
radium and plutonium than we have shipping halibut, never mind Lox.

If timber is tracked closer than fish, I don't want to have anything
to do with it.

wrote:

There is a specific warning about "offal" which includes intestines. intestines also
includes lymphatic tissues sites of immune system cells called Peyers patches.
lymphatic tissue is suspect including the spleen, another large site of immune cells.

every time animals take a dump cells of the intestines are scraped off with the crap.

Oh. I'd never heard of the lymph tissue link. Nor that it was also
found in the intestines.

(Now if it was certain people in another news group, I'd not have
the least doubt how they ended up with something that was supposed to
be inside everyone *elses* skull ended up mixed with their dung.)

(Not to mention any names.)

rabbits are rather inefficient and even my dogs would go for rabbit poop in a big
way.

Dogs, pigs, bear, lots of animals, any type of dung not from their own
species. I guess deer could lip some up easily, without most people
being in a position to see what they were doing.


I would be very interested in what the other group has to say about CWD
transmission in deer.

Jan has not gotten back with any info that I've seen. She is good
people and usually pretty level headed, even if she pays too much
attention to PBS G.

I know the game farms have admitted feeding meat/bone meal to
game animals and losing them over fences.

Thought they did that. There is also a bit of freelance
feeding of wildlife (there is a big industry based on that),
and some of the augmentation feed intended to grow bigger antlers
might have started some of the infections.

Here in Wisconsin there was a guy up north that was a big hunter, had these huge
dinner parties with lots of wild game of all kinds. He has died of CJD and I have
heard so have some of his guests. So eating a lot of wild game it is more likely to
get an infected animal AND get a big enough dose to cause disease.

Wellll, hampsters are kind of short lived. If I understand how prions
"multiply", one prion surviving to reach a safe area in a human could
eventually corrupt enough other proteins to become a problem. Kuru
had maybe a 40yr incubation?

Yes, there sure are all kinds of prion diseases. Ingrid

(shudder) As I understand, not all of them are a problem, though?

wrote:

There is a specific warning about "offal" which includes intestines. intestines also
includes lymphatic tissues sites of immune system cells called Peyers patches.
lymphatic tissue is suspect including the spleen, another large site of immune cells.

every time animals take a dump cells of the intestines are scraped off with the crap.

Oh. I'd never heard of the lymph tissue link. Nor that it was also
found in the intestines.

(Now if it was certain people in another news group, I'd not have
the least doubt how they ended up with something that was supposed to
be inside everyone *elses* skull ended up mixed with their dung.)

(Not to mention any names.)

rabbits are rather inefficient and even my dogs would go for rabbit poop in a big
way.

Dogs, pigs, bear, lots of animals, any type of dung not from their own
species. I guess deer could lip some up easily, without most people
being in a position to see what they were doing.


I would be very interested in what the other group has to say about CWD
transmission in deer.

Jan has not gotten back with any info that I've seen. She is good
people and usually pretty level headed, even if she pays too much
attention to PBS G.

I know the game farms have admitted feeding meat/bone meal to
game animals and losing them over fences.

Thought they did that. There is also a bit of freelance
feeding of wildlife (there is a big industry based on that),
and some of the augmentation feed intended to grow bigger antlers
might have started some of the infections.

Here in Wisconsin there was a guy up north that was a big hunter, had these huge
dinner parties with lots of wild game of all kinds. He has died of CJD and I have
heard so have some of his guests. So eating a lot of wild game it is more likely to
get an infected animal AND get a big enough dose to cause disease.

Wellll, hampsters are kind of short lived. If I understand how prions
"multiply", one prion surviving to reach a safe area in a human could
eventually corrupt enough other proteins to become a problem. Kuru
had maybe a 40yr incubation?

Yes, there sure are all kinds of prion diseases. Ingrid

(shudder) As I understand, not all of them are a problem, though?

Anne Lurie wrote:

Has it occurred to anyone else here in the US that *lumber* is apparently
tracked more accurately than food is????

If I buy a 2x4 at Home Depot, it can apparently be tracked throughout its
whole life -- which seems to be quite simple compared to figuring out this
whole mad cow mess.

LOL, I work in the fish processing industry in Alaska. One of my
co-workers made the crack that someone he knew who dealt with
radioactive material had less paperwork shipping and tracking
radium and plutonium than we have shipping halibut, never mind Lox.

If timber is tracked closer than fish, I don't want to have anything
to do with it.

Anne Lurie wrote:

Has it occurred to anyone else here in the US that *lumber* is apparently
tracked more accurately than food is????

If I buy a 2x4 at Home Depot, it can apparently be tracked throughout its
whole life -- which seems to be quite simple compared to figuring out this
whole mad cow mess.

LOL, I work in the fish processing industry in Alaska. One of my
co-workers made the crack that someone he knew who dealt with
radioactive material had less paperwork shipping and tracking
radium and plutonium than we have shipping halibut, never mind Lox.

If timber is tracked closer than fish, I don't want to have anything
to do with it.

wrote:

There is a specific warning about "offal" which includes intestines. intestines also
includes lymphatic tissues sites of immune system cells called Peyers patches.
lymphatic tissue is suspect including the spleen, another large site of immune cells.

every time animals take a dump cells of the intestines are scraped off with the crap.

Oh. I'd never heard of the lymph tissue link. Nor that it was also
found in the intestines.

(Now if it was certain people in another news group, I'd not have
the least doubt how they ended up with something that was supposed to
be inside everyone *elses* skull ended up mixed with their dung.)

(Not to mention any names.)

rabbits are rather inefficient and even my dogs would go for rabbit poop in a big
way.

Dogs, pigs, bear, lots of animals, any type of dung not from their own
species. I guess deer could lip some up easily, without most people
being in a position to see what they were doing.


I would be very interested in what the other group has to say about CWD
transmission in deer.

Jan has not gotten back with any info that I've seen. She is good
people and usually pretty level headed, even if she pays too much
attention to PBS G.

I know the game farms have admitted feeding meat/bone meal to
game animals and losing them over fences.

Thought they did that. There is also a bit of freelance
feeding of wildlife (there is a big industry based on that),
and some of the augmentation feed intended to grow bigger antlers
might have started some of the infections.

Here in Wisconsin there was a guy up north that was a big hunter, had these huge
dinner parties with lots of wild game of all kinds. He has died of CJD and I have
heard so have some of his guests. So eating a lot of wild game it is more likely to
get an infected animal AND get a big enough dose to cause disease.

Wellll, hampsters are kind of short lived. If I understand how prions
"multiply", one prion surviving to reach a safe area in a human could
eventually corrupt enough other proteins to become a problem. Kuru
had maybe a 40yr incubation?

Yes, there sure are all kinds of prion diseases. Ingrid

(shudder) As I understand, not all of them are a problem, though?

wrote:

There is a specific warning about "offal" which includes intestines. intestines also
includes lymphatic tissues sites of immune system cells called Peyers patches.
lymphatic tissue is suspect including the spleen, another large site of immune cells.

every time animals take a dump cells of the intestines are scraped off with the crap.

Oh. I'd never heard of the lymph tissue link. Nor that it was also
found in the intestines.

(Now if it was certain people in another news group, I'd not have
the least doubt how they ended up with something that was supposed to
be inside everyone *elses* skull ended up mixed with their dung.)

(Not to mention any names.)

rabbits are rather inefficient and even my dogs would go for rabbit poop in a big
way.

Dogs, pigs, bear, lots of animals, any type of dung not from their own
species. I guess deer could lip some up easily, without most people
being in a position to see what they were doing.


I would be very interested in what the other group has to say about CWD
transmission in deer.

Jan has not gotten back with any info that I've seen. She is good
people and usually pretty level headed, even if she pays too much
attention to PBS G.

I know the game farms have admitted feeding meat/bone meal to
game animals and losing them over fences.

Thought they did that. There is also a bit of freelance
feeding of wildlife (there is a big industry based on that),
and some of the augmentation feed intended to grow bigger antlers
might have started some of the infections.

Here in Wisconsin there was a guy up north that was a big hunter, had these huge
dinner parties with lots of wild game of all kinds. He has died of CJD and I have
heard so have some of his guests. So eating a lot of wild game it is more likely to
get an infected animal AND get a big enough dose to cause disease.

Wellll, hampsters are kind of short lived. If I understand how prions
"multiply", one prion surviving to reach a safe area in a human could
eventually corrupt enough other proteins to become a problem. Kuru
had maybe a 40yr incubation?

Yes, there sure are all kinds of prion diseases. Ingrid

(shudder) As I understand, not all of them are a problem, though?

Anne Lurie wrote:

Has it occurred to anyone else here in the US that *lumber* is apparently
tracked more accurately than food is????

If I buy a 2x4 at Home Depot, it can apparently be tracked throughout its
whole life -- which seems to be quite simple compared to figuring out this
whole mad cow mess.

LOL, I work in the fish processing industry in Alaska. One of my
co-workers made the crack that someone he knew who dealt with
radioactive material had less paperwork shipping and tracking
radium and plutonium than we have shipping halibut, never mind Lox.

If timber is tracked closer than fish, I don't want to have anything
to do with it.

Anne Lurie wrote:

Has it occurred to anyone else here in the US that *lumber* is apparently
tracked more accurately than food is????

If I buy a 2x4 at Home Depot, it can apparently be tracked throughout its
whole life -- which seems to be quite simple compared to figuring out this
whole mad cow mess.

LOL, I work in the fish processing industry in Alaska. One of my
co-workers made the crack that someone he knew who dealt with
radioactive material had less paperwork shipping and tracking
radium and plutonium than we have shipping halibut, never mind Lox.

If timber is tracked closer than fish, I don't want to have anything
to do with it.

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - US hamburger derived from special meat trimming
equipment cannot contain any central nervous system material that could spread
mad cow disease, the US Agriculture Department said on Tuesday.

Back a few years ago, when problems with the USA beef supply came up, I
asked my butcher about GB quality.

"we grind our own, otherwise how do you know what is in it?"

That simple statement does so much to eliminate the worries. Not to
mention their GB is much tastier than the chain stores.

The other odd thing, in this week's newspaper flyer, they are cheaper
than the big chain supermarket.

John wrote "we grind our own, otherwise how do you know what is in it?"

Yesterday I bought ground beef for the first time
since this happened and bought from the butcher's case instead of the stuff out
on the shelves and I plan to do that from now on.


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - US hamburger derived from special meat trimming
equipment cannot contain any central nervous system material that could spread
mad cow disease, the US Agriculture Department said on Tuesday.

Back a few years ago, when problems with the USA beef supply came up, I
asked my butcher about GB quality.

"we grind our own, otherwise how do you know what is in it?"

That simple statement does so much to eliminate the worries. Not to
mention their GB is much tastier than the chain stores.

The other odd thing, in this week's newspaper flyer, they are cheaper
than the big chain supermarket.

John wrote "we grind our own, otherwise how do you know what is in it?"

Yesterday I bought ground beef for the first time
since this happened and bought from the butcher's case instead of the stuff out
on the shelves and I plan to do that from now on.


ka30p
http://www.geocities.com/watergarden...dors/home.html

EROSPAM (Ka30P) wrote:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - US hamburger derived from special meat trimming
equipment cannot contain any central nervous system material that could spread
mad cow disease, the US Agriculture Department said on Tuesday.

Back a few years ago, when problems with the USA beef supply came up, I
asked my butcher about GB quality.

"we grind our own, otherwise how do you know what is in it?"

That simple statement does so much to eliminate the worries. Not to
mention their GB is much tastier than the chain stores.

The other odd thing, in this week's newspaper flyer, they are cheaper
than the big chain supermarket.