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Why is my neighbors pond so perfectly clear.
I have a 300 gallon preform. My neighbor has a 200 gallon preform. I do
have bio.mech filter and all she has is a simple pump with a canister and one fine sponge in it. No bio balls, no course filter or medium, just one fine filter that is tiny. She said she puts no chemicals in. She has 7 6 inch fish which seems over kill. She said her secret is a automatic fill and drain system. A valve opens and puts in tap water everyday (15%) And the overflow tube waters her garden. She uses no declor. Is it possible to do this? She has done this for 3 years and never lost one fish. She has chorine in her tap water but says 15% daily water change has not harmed her fish and her water is crystal clear. She cleans the small canister filter and puts in a new sponge once a month. Takes her 5 minutes. She does no other maintenence at all. Can A pond function with no bio? Cause it seems great to me. I have never seen a pond clearer than heres. And she feeds her fish 2 times a day and I think to much but it works for her. What does everyone think about this setup? Thank you |
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"DD DDD" wrote in message ... I have a 300 gallon preform. My neighbor has a 200 gallon preform. I do have bio.mech filter and all she has is a simple pump with a canister and one fine sponge in it. No bio balls, no course filter or medium, just one fine filter that is tiny. She said she puts no chemicals in. She has 7 6 inch fish which seems over kill. She said her secret is a automatic fill and drain system. A valve opens and puts in tap water everyday (15%) And the overflow tube waters her garden. # I wish I could afford something like that. She uses no declor. Is it possible to do this? # Yes, since it's only 15% of the water. She has done this for 3 years and never lost one fish. She has chorine in her tap water but says 15% daily water change has not harmed her fish and her water is crystal clear. She cleans the small canister filter and puts in a new sponge once a month. # Most sponges are reusable. Takes her 5 minutes. She does no other maintenence at all. Can A pond function with no bio? Cause it seems great to me. I have never seen a pond clearer than heres. And she feeds her fish 2 times a day and I think to much but it works for her. What does everyone think about this setup? Thank you # I think it's great and the fish sure would love the fresh water. It's crystal clear because nothing is building up in it to feed algae. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"DD DDD" wrote in message ... I have a 300 gallon preform. My neighbor has a 200 gallon preform. I do have bio.mech filter and all she has is a simple pump with a canister and one fine sponge in it. No bio balls, no course filter or medium, just one fine filter that is tiny. She said she puts no chemicals in. She has 7 6 inch fish which seems over kill. She said her secret is a automatic fill and drain system. A valve opens and puts in tap water everyday (15%) And the overflow tube waters her garden. She uses no declor. Is it possible to do this? She has done this for 3 years and never lost one fish. She has chorine in her tap water but says 15% daily water change has not harmed her fish and her water is crystal clear. She cleans the small canister filter and puts in a new sponge once a month. Takes her 5 minutes. She does no other maintenence at all. Can A pond function with no bio? Cause it seems great to me. I have never seen a pond clearer than heres. And she feeds her fish 2 times a day and I think to much but it works for her. What does everyone think about this setup? Thank you It would appear that she has the "lazy man's approach" to ponding. The fairly low chlorine levels in the pond after she water cycles probably doesn't harm the fish, but the dilute chlorine levels combined with the diluted fish waste obviously helps maintain the water clarity. 200 gal with a daily 15% water change is 30 gal per day, about 900 gal per month. Shower heads sold in this area are rated at 2.5gpm. So that's an additional 12 minutes of shower time, daily. I can't think of any place in the world where that kind of consistent waste of water would be considered responsible behavior. You point out that she drains the water into the garden, fortunately there aren't many plants that need a daily watering (potted plants being the obvious exception) |
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Snooze wrote:
"DD DDD" wrote in message ... .... all she has is a simple pump with a canister and one fine sponge in it. .... She said her secret is a automatic fill and drain system. A valve opens and puts in tap water everyday (15%) And the overflow tube waters her garden. She uses no declor. Is it possible to do this? It would appear that she has the "lazy man's approach" to ponding. The fairly low chlorine levels in the pond after she water cycles probably doesn't harm the fish, but the dilute chlorine levels combined with the diluted fish waste obviously helps maintain the water clarity. Chlorine levels wouldn't do anything for clarity. It might kill stuff, but then you'd have floating particulate dead stuff instead of floating particulate live stuff. 200 gal with a daily 15% water change is 30 gal per day, about 900 gal per month. Shower heads sold in this area are rated at 2.5gpm. So that's an additional 12 minutes of shower time, daily. I can't think of any place in the world where that kind of consistent waste of water would be considered responsible behavior. How about North America? That sort of consistent waste of water wouldn't even be _noticed_ in a society that thinks it's alright to spray water over lawns! Still, I think it's serious overkill. There's no good reason why you would need more than 5% if you're going to do changes daily. My new pond is going to be watered from the eavestroughs, and won't have a pump at all. It'll be interesting to see how well it works. -- derek |
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And your neighbor doesn't have turtles
in her pond. You do. Turtles contribute a huge amt of work for the bio filter. kathy :-) |
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"Snooze" wrote in message m... 200 gal with a daily 15% water change is 30 gal per day, about 900 gal per month. Shower heads sold in this area are rated at 2.5gpm. So that's an additional 12 minutes of shower time, daily. I can't think of any place in the world where that kind of consistent waste of water would be considered responsible behavior. You point out that she drains the water into the garden, fortunately there aren't many plants that need a daily watering (potted plants being the obvious exception) ============================ She may have her own well. Just a thought. I personally would feel I'm wasting water doing 15% every day unless I did have my own well. But then I don't water my huge lawn either. I use recycled pond water on my flowers and veggies. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message ... She may have her own well. Just a thought. I personally would feel I'm wasting water doing 15% every day unless I did have my own well. But then I don't water my huge lawn either. I use recycled pond water on my flowers and veggies. What makes you think that having your own well gives you the right to treat water like it's gasoline. It's not like there is an limitless supply of ground water for everyone to freely use. Decades of using the ground water in the Salinas valley by the farmers as if it's a free resource has caused salt water from the oceans to get drawn into the ground water supply. Mexico city has dropped a few feet over the years because of ground water depletion. Other cities aren't doing so well either. Rural areas are partially isolated from the realities of drinkable water shortages by virtue of the fact that many have their own well. In the south west water is used to mask the fact they live in a desert, everyone has a nice lawn, and pool. |
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"Snooze" wrote in message m... "Reel McKoi" wrote in message ... She may have her own well. Just a thought. I personally would feel I'm wasting water doing 15% every day unless I did have my own well. But then I don't water my huge lawn either. I use recycled pond water on my flowers and veggies. What makes you think that having your own well gives you the right to treat water like it's gasoline. ## I had a well in NY. Why not use the water as it was there and replenished with each rainfall and snowfall. If no one used it, it just ended up in the river and then on down to the ocean. It's not like there is an limitless supply of ground water for everyone to freely use. ## That depends on where you live. I live in the mid-south. No water shortages here. Decades of using the ground water in the Salinas valley by the farmers as if it's a free resource has caused salt water from the oceans to get drawn into the ground water supply. ## I'm aware of that. Mexico city has dropped a few feet over the years because of ground water depletion. Other cities aren't doing so well either. Rural areas are partially isolated from the realities of drinkable water shortages by virtue of the fact that many have their own well. ## Our water here in TN comes from a small town Utility's deep well. The surrounding towns get it from the river or a huge nearby lake. Again, it depends on where you live. In the south west water is used to mask the fact they live in a desert, everyone has a nice lawn, and pool. ## It's hard to relate as I never lived there,... although I took a trip out west in the 1970s. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. Do not feed the trolls. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:51:27 -0700, Courageous wrote:
Yes, but this much of a water infusion daily, in a region that happens to use chloramines, might be a bit dangerous. Because water districts can change to chloramines on a whim, or even temporarily, it can happen to the water gardener at any time. A smaller percentage, though, should be safe in any case. To do math, where it takes chlorine a day or so to evap, chloramine is closer to a week. 15% daily infusion of chloramine purified water, would invite a noticeable level in the pond. True, but you're changing the equation now. ;o) ~ jan ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~ |
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My book on Koi care written by Doc Johnson says that there is not safe
level for Chlorine exposure. Only amounts that are not immediately lethal. Chlorine does cumulative damage to fish gills. Cheers. DD DDD wrote: She has 7 6 inch fish which seems over kill. She said her secret is a automatic fill and drain system. A valve opens and puts in tap water everyday (15%) And the overflow tube waters her garden. She uses no declor. Is it possible to do this? She has done this for 3 years and never lost one fish. She has chorine in her tap water but says 15% daily water change has not harmed her fish and her water is crystal clear. |
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Snooze wrote:
"Reel McKoi" wrote in message ... She may have her own well. Just a thought. I personally would feel I'm wasting water doing 15% every day unless I did have my own well. But then I don't water my huge lawn either. I use recycled pond water on my flowers and veggies. What makes you think that having your own well gives you the right to treat water like it's gasoline. It's not like there is an limitless supply of ground water for everyone to freely use. Decades of using the ground water in the Salinas valley by the farmers as if it's a free resource has caused salt water from the oceans to get drawn into the ground water supply. Hmmm. I don't think that's the way it works (ie, I think the salt water is already in the ground, not being drawn in from the ocean), but the largest aquifer in North America (the Ogallalla acquifer, covering much of the area between the Rockies and the Mississippi), has been drastically depleted. You can't just keep taking water out of a well and expecting it to last forever. And Carol, please stop adding "= name" to the end of subject lines. Half the time you seem to be getting the attributions wrong, and for those benighted folks who have lousy news readers, that don't properly thread messages, it breaks the threading. -- derek |
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Reel McKoi wrote:
"Snooze" wrote: ## I had a well in NY. Why not use the water as it was there and replenished with each rainfall and snowfall. If no one used it, it just ended up in the river and then on down to the ocean. That's _only_ true for a dug well (ie, a well that is only a few feet deep). Deep water acquifers take decades to centuries to recharge. It's not like there is an limitless supply of ground water for everyone to freely use. ## That depends on where you live. I live in the mid-south. No water shortages here. That's the kind of attitude that is going to turn the Ogallalla region into a desert (that is, that part of it that isn't already one). Decades of using the ground water in the Salinas valley by the farmers as if it's a free resource has caused salt water from the oceans to get drawn into the ground water supply. ## I'm aware of that. Yet you encourage the same thing to happen in your area? ## Our water here in TN comes from a small town Utility's deep well. The surrounding towns get it from the river or a huge nearby lake. Again, it depends on where you live. Note: "deep well". That's the problem... -- derek |
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Greg Cooper wrote:
My book on Koi care written by Doc Johnson says that there is not safe level for Chlorine exposure. Only amounts that are not immediately lethal. Chlorine does cumulative damage to fish gills. That's true, but... Chlorine is extremely reactive - that's why it's used in the first place. It will get bound to all sorts of things in a pond (creating carcinogens in the process...) and I really doubt it has much chance to get to fish gills if you use small waterchanges. I also wonder how long the chloramine bond can hold up in a pond loaded with organics. -- derek |
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