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Does any one know anything about these ?
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On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun
wrote: Does any one know anything about these ? -- Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not a bad rose. Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless? If so, why would you want one? |
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saki wrote:
As mentioned, Reine des Violettes is pretty much thornless, as are climbers like Zepherine Drouhin and the Banksia types (including Purezza). I'd have to look closely but I think that Gruss an Aachen is also low-thorn and makes a nice cut flower if that's the direction you'd like to go. I would classify Zepherine Drouhin as "completely thornless" but Gruss an Aachen is certainly not. It may have fewer thorns than some but the thorns it has are still significant. My ZD is a nice climber that's getting set for it's best show ever on a new arbor I put up over the front walk. Last year the first flush was in April. This year everything seems to be almost a month behind and the buds are still very small. There's a shot from April 20, 2002 he http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/misc.php And here's a page showing the state of our roses on April 24, 2003 http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/20030424_roses.php Zepherine Drouhin is the second picture on each of those pages. -- Henry |
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Shiva wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun wrote: Does any one know anything about these ? -- Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not a bad rose. Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless? If so, why would you want one? They are a particular strain - I saw them recently at a garden show, I think the strain name was Smooth Touch. Why do I want to find out more? Age and thin skin - -- I'm not paranoid, I KNOW the whole world is out to get me. Don't bother replying via email I am a fictitious entity. |
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Zepherine and her daughter Kathleen Harrup, certainly, but another and
more neglected thornless climber is Amadis, which does repeat a bit and is a magnificent rich purple - stems are red at first, which is lovely in spring (like peony leaves). Golden Showers has few thorns. By contrast, New Dawn and her family are LETHAL and I never do anything to mine without spiking myself. -- Jane Lumley |
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Daniel Hanna wrote in
home.com.au: In saki wrote: I'd have to look closely but I think that Gruss an Aachen is also low- thorn and makes a nice cut flower if that's the direction you'd like to go. Not sure I'd agree with either of those comments, Saki! My Gruss has thorns, and I wouldn' regard any cluster-flowered rose as ideal for picking. I realize that my standards for vase flowers are a little different from most folks. :-) I don't have many long-stemmed flowers and make do with smaller arrangements replicating cottage-garden-style-in-a-vase, if that makes any sense. Gruss an Aachen actually works well within this scheme; a cluster of Gruss, a single Reine Victoria, a stem of some mini like Carolina Lady or Ruby, some scented geraniums (in flower), a sprig or three or five of lavender for background, and you have your arrangement. Keeping it low and full seems to complement such a mix. Some of my roses without substantive stems look nice floating singly or doubly in a bowl of water, like a water lily. Gruss, Colette, Yantai and even Purple Buttons work well this way. My Gruss is almost thornless, but maybe I just got lucky. ---- |
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Greenie LeBrun wrote:
Shiva wrote: On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun wrote: Does any one know anything about these ? Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not a bad rose. I will second that. It is a fabulous rose out here. Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless? If so, why would you want one? They are a particular strain - I saw them recently at a garden show, I think the strain name was Smooth Touch. Why do I want to find out more? Age and thin skin - The Rosa Smooth series is spoken of very highly by a few people who I know who have grown some of them - Monrovia is a very good nursery too, though I have bought their plants only through other local nuseries and have liked all of them: http://www.monrovia.com/MonroviaWeb....256cae00805bc9!OpenDocument -- Radika California USDA 9 / Sunset 15 |
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I have one that is thornless. It has reddish purple canes, medium green
leaves and tons of light purple flowers. However, I have no clue what it's named. CJ |
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saki wrote:
I realize that my standards for vase flowers are a little different from most folks. :-) I don't have many long-stemmed flowers and make do with smaller arrangements replicating cottage-garden-style-in-a-vase, if that makes any sense. I am with you on this. Though I do have long-stemmed roses as well and they are quite prolific, I enjoy these "cottage garden simulations in a vase" arrangements more. Gruss an Aachen actually works well within this scheme; a cluster of Gruss, a single Reine Victoria, a stem of some mini like Carolina Lady or Ruby, some scented geraniums (in flower), a sprig or three or five of lavender for background, and you have your arrangement. Keeping it low and full seems to complement such a mix. Mmmmmm ..... yes, they do work beautifully. Into this mix, at this time of year, I throw in spikes of Coral Bells as well, and since they do not rebloom till the cool fal weather, this is the right time to enjoy them. I also like weaving in a few blue picushion flowers and they add the much needed blueness to the colour spectrum of roses. BTW, D, do you have Comte de Chambord? His flowers work beautifully in that scheme that you are describing, plus the fragrance is out of this world. Some of my roses without substantive stems look nice floating singly or doubly in a bowl of water, like a water lily. Gruss, Colette, Yantai and even Purple Buttons work well this way. I have Gruss and PB, but not the other two, and I have to agree with this description as well if we can include Sombreuil, Reine des Violettes, Heritage, Fair Bianca, and The Pilgrim. My Gruss is almost thornless, but maybe I just got lucky. Oh aye, the stems of GaA are absolutely thornfree in our garden specimen as well, but if I feel the back of the central-stem of the compound leaf, I can see there are downward curved hooks, albeit small. Of course, I do not normally go looking for thorniness there in any rose except when I am removing the lower leaves in order to arrange the flowers in a vase. Hmmm ... my GaA needs to be moved to a better spot where I can look at her more closely. It is getting lost in the middle of other minis some of which are getting taller than her. Well, I do have a perfect spot for her, and all it takes is the will to do it ... -- Radika California USDA 9 / Sunset 15 |
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Speaking of thorns, one of my favourite roses is the Barbara Bush rose. But,
my oh my, do I suffer from its massive thorns ! /z. and this is not a metaphor :-) |
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Shiva wrote:
Greenie LeBrun wrote: Shiva wrote: On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun wrote: Does any one know anything about these ? -- Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not a bad rose. Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless? If so, why would you want one? They are a particular strain - I saw them recently at a garden show, I think the strain name was Smooth Touch. Why do I want to find out more? Age and thin skin - G Fair enough. But at your age you probably know to avoid gimmicky things. Ever see the "Dream Roses?" Not in my dreams. What do you like in a rose? Scent? A certain color? Bush shape? What? If you can stand the floppy "Old Garden" rose look (sometimes called things like "Grandmother's Cabbage Rose") you might like a rose called Paul Neyron, which is, indeed, thornless. It is a dusky pink, makes HUGE blooms, and has a lovely fragrance. It is nice for cutting. Reine des Violettes is nice but a weird little rose. It grows in a fountain shape, as though it would like to be a climber, here, and the violet blooms are rather small, and the foliage is light grey green. It has a lucious fragrance. Good luck and if you find out about the Smoothies, let us know. Hope you hang around and share, too. -- I'm not paranoid, I KNOW the whole world is out to get me. Don't bother replying via email I am a fictitious entity. I have no actual preferences in colour or scent really but I do like very dark reds and the coppery colours though as you can see I am not stuck on them. A couple of my favorites are "Super Star" a vermillion colur with a scent and "Tickled pink" a long lasting (up to a week in a vase) long stemmed pink (obviously) highly scented rose. I am moving away from the low bush styles to the two to three foot standards as the ground seems to be getting further away each year ;-) -- I'm not paranoid, I KNOW the whole world is out to get me. Don't bother replying via email I am a fictitious entity. |
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On Mon, 05 May 2003 11:05:12 +1000, Greenie LeBrun
wrote: I have no actual preferences in colour or scent really but I do like very dark reds and the coppery colours I don't know about thany thornless roses in these colors, but my favorite (and only!) truly coppery colored rose is Pat Austin. It is one of the David Austin roses, and so has the very heavy, cupped bloom that nods. The fragrance is really interesting. Part rose, part myrrh. I am growing mine on one of those obelisk things that stand maybe four feet tall? The larger Austins grow like climbers here. This is one of the truly distinctive Austins. Very orangy, very coppery, very shaded. I love it. though as you can see I am not stuck on them. A couple of my favorites are "Super Star" a vermillion colur with a scent and "Tickled pink" a long lasting (up to a week in a vase) long stemmed pink (obviously) highly scented rose. I don't know these roses. I always love scent, though. I am moving away from the low bush styles to the two to three foot standards as the ground seems to be getting further away each year ;-) I do know what you mean. I like grandifloras, they are a nice cross between hybrid teas and floribundas, can be gangly but you can keep them shaped. The blooms grow in sprays, but as I mentioned elsewhere, you can pinch out the sidebuds and get great, big, exhibition form bloom from some of them. Gold Medal is a favorite, a very fragrant medium sunny yellow with fine cerise edges that bleed just a little into the yellow like the blush on a yellow delicious apple! It stays about five feet tall and three feet wide. And Lagerfeld, a rose with some problems that nevertheless gets good in about four years, and produces lovely high centered, heavily perfumed lavendar blooms. (True lavender, not mauve here.) White Lightnin' is a fragant white grandiflora that is simply my very favorite white rose. Informal bloom form, ruffly and fruity smelling and delicious! Then there is Jude the Obscure. If you can stand the deeply cupped bloom form, just get it. There is no more strongly scented rose! And the color is unusual. I call it "butterscotch." I guess it is apricot but gets some pink tones. It will fill a room with fragrance, stays about five feet tall and three feet wide with steady cutting for the table. Delcious rose! I'm not paranoid, I KNOW the whole world is out to get me. Don't bother replying via email I am a fictitious entity. |
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In a5d0675aa3d8ab37a4237d7508ec9880@TeraNews Shiva wrote:
I don't know about thany thornless roses in these colors, but my favorite (and only!) truly coppery colored rose is Pat Austin. I am tossing up ordering a newer one, Benjamin Britten. Anyone grow this Austin in the States? Not quite the same colour break as Pat Austin, I know, but: http://treloar-roses.com.au/files/be...%20britten.htm |
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Greenie LeBrun wrote:
Does any one know anything about these ? Zephirine Drouhin. Greetings, Antis. |
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In article , antis
writes Greenie LeBrun wrote: Does any one know anything about these ? Zephirine Drouhin. And her daughter Kathleen Harrop, one of my favourites. Also lovely purple Amadis, with amazing red canes, and of course Golden Showers (though it isn't completely thornless). My vote for worst for thorns? New Dawn. Lethal, like something in a dungeon game. Greetings, Antis. -- Jane Lumley |
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