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RMV... What do you do after?
I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this
spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
In article , Moyesii
wrote: I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. Depends on how the plant looks. I have a few that perform, flower and are reasonably disease resistant. But if it gives me any problems, I kill them fast. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close
enough that the root systems grow togather. Many plant virus are spread by this means and the only way to ensure that the disease does not spread is to be absolutely certain that the infected plants roots don't involve other plants. Tim "Cass" wrote in message .. . In article , Moyesii wrote: I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. Depends on how the plant looks. I have a few that perform, flower and are reasonably disease resistant. But if it gives me any problems, I kill them fast. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
Wow! Do you have any research
to back that up. Several of my plants are virussed and grow close to plants that are non virused. As far as I know the only real chance of virus spread is if you don't sterilize your shears. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "Tim Tompkins" wrote in message ... RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close enough that the root systems grow togather. Many plant virus are spread by this means and the only way to ensure that the disease does not spread is to be absolutely certain that the infected plants roots don't involve other plants. Tim "Cass" wrote in message .. . In article , Moyesii wrote: I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. Depends on how the plant looks. I have a few that perform, flower and are reasonably disease resistant. But if it gives me any problems, I kill them fast. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
"Tim Tompkins" wrote in message ...
RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close enough that the root systems grow togather. I've never heard of this happening before. Doesn't this imply that the roots of different plants would somehow have to graft to each other? It seems unlikely. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:05:36 -0600, "Tim Tompkins"
wrote: RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close enough that the root systems grow togather. Many plant virus are spread by this means and the only way to ensure that the disease does not spread is to be absolutely certain that the infected plants roots don't involve other plants. Tim Tim--while I am the first person to appreciate the power of an authoritative tone, here yours is misplaced. This is nonsense. Post proof or recant, please. "Cass" wrote in message . .. In article , Moyesii wrote: I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. Depends on how the plant looks. I have a few that perform, flower and are reasonably disease resistant. But if it gives me any problems, I kill them fast. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:17:24 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote: As far as I know the only real chance of virus spread is if you don't sterilize your shears. NO way, Theo! You are telling me I can spread Rose Mosaic Virus from my Sonia Rykiel to my other roses if I don't sterilize my felcos?? Here is where I ask you to cite your source. If this is true then RMV is a much bigger deal than I thought. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "Tim Tompkins" wrote in message ... RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close enough that the root systems grow togather. Many plant virus are spread by this means and the only way to ensure that the disease does not spread is to be absolutely certain that the infected plants roots don't involve other plants. Tim "Cass" wrote in message .. . In article , Moyesii wrote: I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. Depends on how the plant looks. I have a few that perform, flower and are reasonably disease resistant. But if it gives me any problems, I kill them fast. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
Here's a link to an article from the Central Florida Heritage Rose Society:
http://members.aol.com/mmmavocad3/Mosaic.html (It's from 1993, though, so there could have been discoveries made since then.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Theo Asir" wrote in message news:2c27bade3df537f78e90318c918526a8@TeraNews... Wow! Do you have any research to back that up. Several of my plants are virussed and grow close to plants that are non virused. As far as I know the only real chance of virus spread is if you don't sterilize your shears. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "Tim Tompkins" wrote in message ... RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close enough that the root systems grow togather. Many plant virus are spread by this means and the only way to ensure that the disease does not spread is to be absolutely certain that the infected plants roots don't involve other plants. Tim "Cass" wrote in message .. . In article , Moyesii wrote: I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. Depends on how the plant looks. I have a few that perform, flower and are reasonably disease resistant. But if it gives me any problems, I kill them fast. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
"Anne Lurie" writes:
Here's a link to an article from the Central Florida Heritage Rose Society: http://members.aol.com/mmmavocad3/Mosaic.html (It's from 1993, though, so there could have been discoveries made since then.) I think Dr. Manners is considered the ultimate authority on RMV and to my knowledge the article you mentioned is still the most current information available. He lists an email address on his site, if anyone cares to ask him. Or perhaps he will see this message title and respond here. He has been known to post here on occasion. Julie |
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RMV... What do you do after?
I can't find my original source but if you google, a few sites do recommend this as a conservative precaution. http://www.uri.edu/ce/factsheets/she...ediseases.html http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/roses/disease-disease.html -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "Shiva" wrote in message s.com... On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:17:24 GMT, "Theo Asir" wrote: As far as I know the only real chance of virus spread is if you don't sterilize your shears. NO way, Theo! You are telling me I can spread Rose Mosaic Virus from my Sonia Rykiel to my other roses if I don't sterilize my felcos?? Here is where I ask you to cite your source. If this is true then RMV is a much bigger deal than I thought. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "Tim Tompkins" wrote in message ... RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close enough that the root systems grow togather. Many plant virus are spread by this means and the only way to ensure that the disease does not spread is to be absolutely certain that the infected plants roots don't involve other plants. Tim "Cass" wrote in message .. . In article , Moyesii wrote: I have a climbing angel face that I ordered from Wayside Gardens this spring. It has been growing well, but now shows clear signs of RMV. What do you do after you find that one of your roses is virused? Do you shovel prune or let it live its life out? The problem for me is that most climbers take at least 3 years to establish and by that time, I'm not sure what to expect from a virused rose in terms of vigor and general performance. On the other hand, the plant looks to be doing fine, and I'd hate to toss it. Depends on how the plant looks. I have a few that perform, flower and are reasonably disease resistant. But if it gives me any problems, I kill them fast. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:05:36 -0600, "Tim Tompkins"
wrote: RMV can be tranmitted to another rose by the root system if they are close enough that the root systems grow togather. Many plant virus are spread by this means and the only way to ensure that the disease does not spread is to be absolutely certain that the infected plants roots don't involve other plants. Tim Here is what Malcolm Manners says about contagiousness of RMV: "Means of Transmission RM is believed to be non-contagious in the field, except possibly through rare natural root grafts. There is no evidence that it ever spreads naturally in the garden or nursery, or through pollen, seed, or seedlings (2). Extensive tests also have failed to transfer RM mechanically (e.g., on pruning tools, grafting knives, etc.) (3). The only known means for transmitting the disease is by vegetative propagation. Cuttings rooted from infected plants, or budded plants produced from infected scions or rootstocks, will be infected in virtually every case. The disease is systemic, so the entire plant is infected, whether or not all of the branches show symptoms. A plant which is infected at the time of propagation will remain infected throughout its life, and a healthy plant at the time of propagation should remain healthy for its entire life, unless an infected scion is budded or grafted onto it." Thanks for the link, Anne. I guess I am safe keeping my Sonia Rykiel. tim, where do you get this stuff? |
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RMV... What do you do after?
See the following link:
http://home.neo.rr.com/kuska/mis_info_about_virus.htm -- Henry Kuska, retired http://home.neo.rr.com/kuska/ |
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RMV... What do you do after?
In article , Henry Kuska
wrote: See the following link: http://home.neo.rr.com/kuska/mis_info_about_virus.htm This is all rather annoying, since, as Dr. Kuska points out, none of us can prove that *any* of our roses is virus-free. I share others' concerns about spreading virus through pruning, especially winter pruning. For no reason other than pure conjecture, I tend to think that the pollen and root transmission is a remote threat I can live with. Have any hybridizers reported virused seedlings produced from virused pollen and/or seed parent? BTW, I can't understand why my Bonica image was picked up by Google in the rose mosaic virus images. Weird. |
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RMV... What do you do after?
Cass, your question: "Have any hybridizers reported virused seedlings
produced from virused pollen and/or seed parent?" was answered in my post. Yes. "Ping Lim, an All American Rose winning hybridizer, stated in rec.gardens.roses that he has observed virused seedlings from virused parents. He is not the first hybridizer to report that some of his seedlings were virused. Harvey Davidson reported in 1988 (Davidson, H., The American Rose Magazine, volumn 29, page 16, (1988)) that some of his seedlings were virused and that he had heard, in a recent lecture, Dr. Dennison Morey state that rose mosaic can be transferred through pollen. Dr. Morey was at one time the head of the breeding program for Jackson and Perkins." Henry Kuska, retired http://home.neo.rr.com/kuska/ |
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RMV... What do you do after?
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:59:07 GMT, "Henry Kuska"
wrote: Cass, your question: "Have any hybridizers reported virused seedlings produced from virused pollen and/or seed parent?" was answered in my post. Yes. "Ping Lim, an All American Rose winning hybridizer, stated in rec.gardens.roses that he has observed virused seedlings from virused parents. It remains a fact that we have seen no evidence at all--so far--that Rose Mosaic Virus can spread from one plant to another in our gardens. |
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