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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Dave,
Thanks for your reply. I'll respond to the specifics below. dave weil wrote in message . .. On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote: (Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com... everyone is welcome: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant miniature roses? Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now, you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses. Frankly, how much can you say about them? OK, I can accept that. I am surprised how low the interest seems to be, at least in this forum. I started another Yahoo group a while back, and within 2 days, there were more than 100 members. With this new group, which I *feel* is at least equally interesting and promising, there are only 2 members so far, after 2 days. (And that's including myself.) With the first (negative) response I received here, and the glass of wine I had last night, those were essentially the stimulii for my posting as irritably as I did. I apologize. I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite depressing. Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I wouldn't take it as a personal affront. You're right, of course. I agree that the parameters are narrow, *but* I think it's a compelling subject, for the following reasons: I think fragrant miniatures have great potential, for use in planters and pots, both indoors and outdoors. How else can one easily keep a rose - which *smells* like a rose should - as a houseplant, or keep quite a few of them on a porch or patio? Urban rose lovers everywhere should rejoice - especially those who live in apartments or condos. At least, that's what I think. I guess they haven't come around to my way of thinking, yet. Perhaps I need to show them, convince them. I know many have said it's difficult to impossible to keep them indoors, but so far, I've had nothing but success with it. Admittedly, I've had the benefit of experience, growing other difficult plants indoors. But I think, with adequate instruction, practically anyone could do it. And potted miniatures can easily be moved - from indoors to out, to a table as a temporary or semi-permanent centerpiece, etc. The micro-minis can even be grown under small, inexpensive desk lamps fitted with compact fluorescent bulbs. With fragrant micros, one needn't travel far to "smell the roses." For a mini, a larger desk lamp would be suitable, though I'm still conducting experiments. At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly interested in this topic. How do you know this? By speaking with people in those cultures. The interest in fragrant minis is particularly high in some urban areas. They merely don't have ready access to the finer fragrant varieties. Further development of fragrant varieties should considerably brighten the prospects. Need the English-speaking world lose out? Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo. I apologize for being so dramatic. What I meant was, the English-speaking world could well lose out, at least for a time, on the applications I described above. People aren't mind-readers, so my statement must have seemed obtuse. At any rate, it was admittedly dramatic. You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.) Phooey! Dan Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group. First of all, it makes you look petty and small. I had introduced myself here previously, in the form of 2 messages. Not an extensive introduction, I admit. But I felt it was adequate to illicit at least one positive response. After all, I was providing a forum, not setting myself up as the sole authority on the subject. As a newbie, I recognize I'm not much of an authority. I was feeling disappointed and, yes, a bit angry. I suppose I was considering my access to other cultures as a way to divert my efforts to more attentive audiences. Why stay where there's no interest, when others in the world are more interested? I can see very little reason for it. I didn't expect to be greeted with such disinterest. Need I evangelize? It seems to verge on the ridiculous. If people aren't convinced of the value of the fragrant minis, after reading this and my earlier messagess, I don't think they'll become convinced easily. It's their choice, so let them go without, I say. In other words, "Phooey!" I also had in mind the old adage, that people often don't know what they have until it's gone. I was just expressing my feelings, in an uninhibited manner. I am sorry if I offended anyone. Second of all, contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your* subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all that much from you that would entice us to join such a group. Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all that much. Point well taken. With the huge number of rose gardeners in the world, the amount of discussion here does seem very, very low. I suppose there must be reasons for it. Perhaps most people simply buy a rose, plant it, and watch it grow, probably with minimal attempts to help it thrive, instead of making it a more involved hobby and discussing it with others. Perhaps it's influenced by traditional ways of thinking about roses - possibly many people have the unspoken opinion that, "they're just supposed to sit there and look pretty, and that's the end of it." Perhaps many of the more enthusiastic rose gardeners limit themselves to browsing rose catalogs, not seeking out discourse or expressing themselves in any way but their rose purchases. Or perhaps many do discuss their hobby, but not online. That could be partially due to demographics, such as ages of rose keepers VS ages of those actively using online forums like these - USENET specifically. I hadn't really considered that. I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity. It's a smaller niche than I had thought. But I think it deserves to grow in popularity, for reasons already stated. New and future varieties do play a large part in that. I'd say that you're off to a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just the few individuals who share your passion. Thanks. You're right. I shouldn't be so quick to discount the entire group of English-speaking rosarians. I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good thing. That's true. I've already ordered five varieties from them. I expect to receive them soon, probably this week. That should keep me happily busy for some time. Again, I apologize for being so grumpy and dramatic in my last message. Wishing you a good week, Dan Gannon |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.30.12.4
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1078788262 9805 127.0.0.1 (8 Mar 2004 23:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Path: kermit!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.as h.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!po stnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: kermit rec.gardens.roses:97482 Hi Philip, I understand. For myself, I thought a specific forum was necessary for the fragrant miniatures. As it stands, it's very difficult to identify all of the fragrant miniatures. Many of them appear "lost" in the sea of other varieties, some may have slipped into obscurity, some are only mentioned in particular forums or publications, etc. I think a thorough search and record of these varieties is essential. There are outstanding varieties, both new and old, that are virtually unknown among rosarians, even some who specialize in miniatures! I think these varieties could be much more popular if the general public could become aware of them. The average miniature rose I see in local stores is non-fragrant, not an identified cultivar, and often disappointing for other reasons. I think these factors have severely harmed the public awareness and oinion of miniature roses. There doesn't seem to be any valid reason that it must remain so. I wish to see further development of new varieties, which may be accelerated with further attention given to the subject. I personally will be attempting to develop new varieties. There is no guarantee of success, but I think if I persevere, I increase my chances. I apologize for the disgruntled nature of my previous message. Dan Philip Lewis wrote in message .edu... (Dan Gannon) writes: Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature While I personally am interested in miniatures (and bonsai, and other dwarfed species... sucks to only have a small yard I do not feel I have sufficient interest in joining yet another yahoogroup. This newsgroup is about roses in general so miniature rose discussion would be on topic here. Personally, i'll stay/ask here if i have questions on miniatures. |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Mike,
I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say I'll take my efforts elsewhere? I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism. You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including myself. Dan Mike wrote in message ... On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote: (Dan Gannon) wrote in message .com... everyone is welcome: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite depressing. At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.) Phooey! Dan Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass. Mike |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Mike,
I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say I'll take my efforts elsewhere? I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism. You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including myself. Dan Mike wrote in message ... On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote: (Dan Gannon) wrote in message .com... everyone is welcome: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite depressing. At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.) Phooey! Dan Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass. Mike |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om... Hello, everyone! You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of the fragrant miniatures. Here's the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/ I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help" "If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that. Sameer |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om... Hello, everyone! You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of the fragrant miniatures. Here's the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/ I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help" "If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that. Sameer |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.30.12.4
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1078788262 9805 127.0.0.1 (8 Mar 2004 23:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Path: kermit!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.as h.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!po stnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: kermit rec.gardens.roses:97482 Hi Philip, I understand. For myself, I thought a specific forum was necessary for the fragrant miniatures. As it stands, it's very difficult to identify all of the fragrant miniatures. Many of them appear "lost" in the sea of other varieties, some may have slipped into obscurity, some are only mentioned in particular forums or publications, etc. I think a thorough search and record of these varieties is essential. There are outstanding varieties, both new and old, that are virtually unknown among rosarians, even some who specialize in miniatures! I think these varieties could be much more popular if the general public could become aware of them. The average miniature rose I see in local stores is non-fragrant, not an identified cultivar, and often disappointing for other reasons. I think these factors have severely harmed the public awareness and oinion of miniature roses. There doesn't seem to be any valid reason that it must remain so. I wish to see further development of new varieties, which may be accelerated with further attention given to the subject. I personally will be attempting to develop new varieties. There is no guarantee of success, but I think if I persevere, I increase my chances. I apologize for the disgruntled nature of my previous message. Dan Philip Lewis wrote in message .edu... (Dan Gannon) writes: Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature While I personally am interested in miniatures (and bonsai, and other dwarfed species... sucks to only have a small yard I do not feel I have sufficient interest in joining yet another yahoogroup. This newsgroup is about roses in general so miniature rose discussion would be on topic here. Personally, i'll stay/ask here if i have questions on miniatures. |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Mike,
I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say I'll take my efforts elsewhere? I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism. You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including myself. Dan Mike wrote in message ... On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote: (Dan Gannon) wrote in message .com... everyone is welcome: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite depressing. At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.) Phooey! Dan Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass. Mike |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.30.12.4
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1078788262 9805 127.0.0.1 (8 Mar 2004 23:24:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Path: kermit!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!border1.nntp.as h.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!po stnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: kermit rec.gardens.roses:97482 Hi Philip, I understand. For myself, I thought a specific forum was necessary for the fragrant miniatures. As it stands, it's very difficult to identify all of the fragrant miniatures. Many of them appear "lost" in the sea of other varieties, some may have slipped into obscurity, some are only mentioned in particular forums or publications, etc. I think a thorough search and record of these varieties is essential. There are outstanding varieties, both new and old, that are virtually unknown among rosarians, even some who specialize in miniatures! I think these varieties could be much more popular if the general public could become aware of them. The average miniature rose I see in local stores is non-fragrant, not an identified cultivar, and often disappointing for other reasons. I think these factors have severely harmed the public awareness and oinion of miniature roses. There doesn't seem to be any valid reason that it must remain so. I wish to see further development of new varieties, which may be accelerated with further attention given to the subject. I personally will be attempting to develop new varieties. There is no guarantee of success, but I think if I persevere, I increase my chances. I apologize for the disgruntled nature of my previous message. Dan Philip Lewis wrote in message .edu... (Dan Gannon) writes: Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature While I personally am interested in miniatures (and bonsai, and other dwarfed species... sucks to only have a small yard I do not feel I have sufficient interest in joining yet another yahoogroup. This newsgroup is about roses in general so miniature rose discussion would be on topic here. Personally, i'll stay/ask here if i have questions on miniatures. |
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