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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote in message ... [..] Someone was thoughtful enough to find a supplier of mineralised supplementary feed licks for cattle http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp , but that's still a lick. I see Dry Cow Feed Blocks on the same page, but are they blocks of mineralised feed like Michael showed us ; http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm and are these given to suckler herds in the UK? some suckler cows in the UK will have access to some thing similar. (to save people wasting time going on line, it is a US firm producing for their market. The ingredients are INGREDIENTS Defluorinated phosphate, salt, grain products, cane molasses, magnesium oxide, vegetable oil, ferrous oxide, manganese sulfate, calcium carbonate, zinc sulfate, sodium selenite, ferrous sulfate, potassium chloride, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, cobalt carbonate) Here's info' from a UK supplier; FEED BLOCKS With molasses and cereal-based formulations including Soya, barley and maize, we have struck a balance between making blocks which are hard enough to stand up to the worst weather and providing blocks which give your stock ready access to the supplementary minerals, vitamins and trace elements essential for health and production. More 'goodness' in every lick - a high level of dry ingredients with a higher nutrient density. Consistent degree of hardness - for more uniform consumption. Subject to formula selected and animal weight, intake of these products should range between 0.5 - 1 kg/head/day for cattle and 30 - 90 gms/head/day for sheep. Manganese - 400 mg/kg. I got a thing though the post this morning from Pye farm feeds selling something similar, but they call theirs buckets. This is because they pour the mix into plastic bucket rather than a mould. It means you can use a higher proportion of molasses. Molassed Mineral Buckets Mineral Buckets contain high mineral levels of both the major and trace elements in equivalent amounts to many free access mineral powders. They are available in a molasses block so that stock find it very attractive and palatable and they are waste free. Being unaffected by wet conditions makes them ideal for use with both grazing and housed stock. Daily Intakes to be expected: Cattle - 100-300g per head per day Sheep - 15-50g per head per day Manganese1600mg/kg. These products are basically grain and molasses based, although some will contain a protein source as well. Depending on what the block is wanted for it will contain more or less of various minerals. Like at http://www.dallaskeith.fsnet.co.uk/ where I got the above info'. Those for out wintering beef cows might well contain more calcium, those fed at calving could well contain more magnesium. Calcium:Phosphorus ration will vary as well. As I said some beef cows in the UK will have access to that sort of thing, others might get a compound feed instead, others a straight such as maizs gluten, others might get nothing but silage or hay. It will depend entirely on how the animal is wintered, the sort of condition it was in prior to housing (or prior to commencing feeding). That is -exactly- what we needed to know. '2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds. The recorded incidence among dairy herds between 1 April 1985 and 31 March 1988 was 311 out of 44,767 herds (0.69 per cent), considerably higher than the incidence in beef suckler herds (11 out of 54,166 herds, or 0.02 per cent). 9 This was probably due to the lower levels of concentrate feeding in beef suckler herds, 10 ' http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/report/...6/chapter2.htm Blocks is just one more possibility in the ration. I know people who have used them for rearing dairy heifers, and there are blocks available formulated for dry cows, or even for use in the milking parlour when animals are on complete diet regimes. (8) Section 4.8.3.2 ( page 36) "FURTHERMORE, BEEF COWS WHICH OBTAIN MOST OF THEIR FOOD FROM PASTURE , ARE MORE LIKELY THAN DAIRY COWS TO EXPERIENCE AN ABNORMAL IMBALANCE IN DIETARY INTAKE OF THE TRACE ELEMENTS COPPER, MOLYBDENUM, SELENIUM AND MANGANESE, SINCE COMPOUND FEEDS FOR DAIRY COWS ARE SUPPLEMENTED WITH THESE TRACE ELEMENTS AS NECESSARY TO MEET NUTRIENT REQUIREMENTS. ACCORDINGLY, A HIGHER INCIDENCE OF BSE WOULD BE EXPECTED IN BEEF COWS RATHER THAN IN DAIRY COWS. THE REVERSE IS TRUE." http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/Horne.htm Capitalised for EMPHASIS only. You say; and MBM has a better match What in MBM exactly? Phosmet - Prions - Manganese - Fat - ? Would you like to ask the Audience? |
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"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:QFwP9.489376$P31.158346@rwcrnsc53... [..] I can by salt, salt blocks, minerals mineral blocks, protien blocks with minerals added, mollases with minerals added, and feed wiht minerals added buy I can't buy salt licks a the store on the the real estate agent. A salt lick is a place not a thing here. I'm speaking from long-time experience in matters equine. We call a 'mineral block' a 'salt-lick'. Funny old world, what. |
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Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... snipped 6KB of copy and paste stuff. All stuff you said you couldn't find Lotus wrote in message ... Nope, can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK. amazing what you can do when you try next lesson is how to snip. A lot of people have now set their newsreaders to delete unread anything over 200 lines. I suggest that you set that as a maximum and we will gradually bring you down until you can post messages of about 4KB like everyone else. ---------------------------------- Lotus wrote in message ... "Gordon Couger" wrote in message news:QFwP9.489376$P31.158346@rwcrnsc53... [..] I can by salt, salt blocks, minerals mineral blocks, protien blocks with minerals added, mollases with minerals added, and feed wiht minerals added buy I can't buy salt licks a the store on the the real estate agent. A salt lick is a place not a thing here. I'm speaking from long-time experience in matters equine. We call a 'mineral block' a 'salt-lick'. Funny old world, what. and shows that you have to know what you are talking about, you cannot just assume that what is correct useage in one area will be the same in another. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...
Snip 3Kb of rank evasion. MAJOR cop-out, Jim. The audience will make up their own minds, based on the evidence. That's all I could ever ask. Lotus. -- Time exists so that everything doesn't happen at once. Space exists so that everything doesn't happen to you. / ? http://www.iol.ie/~creature/creature.htm |
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Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Snip 3Kb of rank evasion. MAJOR cop-out, Jim. The audience will make up their own minds, based on the evidence. That's all I could ever ask. don't worry, they will by the way, have those inner earth beings you are so keen on been talking to you recently? -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' Lotus. -- Time exists so that everything doesn't happen at once. Space exists so that everything doesn't happen to you. / ? http://www.iol.ie/~creature/creature.htm |
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Jim Webster writes
Oz wrote in message ... Jim Webster writes Oz wrote in message The only salt lick (place) he is likely to find is called 'the sea'. at least that is handy. Not for me. don't worry, with global warming it will get nearer :-)) You gonna move into salmon farming then, then? -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote in message ... Jim Webster writes Oz wrote in message ... Jim Webster writes Oz wrote in message The only salt lick (place) he is likely to find is called 'the sea'. at least that is handy. Not for me. don't worry, with global warming it will get nearer :-)) You gonna move into salmon farming then, then? ranching them :-)) -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Gordon Couger wrote:
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ... Gordon Couger wrote: "Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote: 1 min. "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Gordon Couger wrote in message ps.asp.att.net... You need a hobby. Try drink and women. tsk tsk, temper temper, He has a point, jim. so in your own words what is the difference between a salt lick and a feed block. Try actually addressing my points first, jim. I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK. now that's tough because I've seen them stacked up to the roof in many feed merchants. Someone was thoughtful enough to find a supplier of mineralised supplementary feed licks for cattle http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp , but that's still a lick. A lick and a block are the same thing, you ignoramus. Not in my part of the world. A lick is a natual salt deposit. Not if it's being sold by a commercial company, you doofus. I can by salt, salt blocks, minerals mineral blocks, protien blocks with minerals added, mollases with minerals added, and feed wiht minerals added buy I can't buy salt licks a the store on the the real estate agent. A salt lick is a place not a thing here. Your experience is too narrow, and because you're a limited, narrower thinker, you naively believe that your experience is THE experience. Look at that page: http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp This company says they sell feed licks and salt licks. Are you suggesting they don't know their product line? You're an idiot. Your "part of the world" is a little backwater full of lowbrow idiots. |
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Jim Webster wrote:
Gordon Couger wrote in message news:gurP9.543590$QZ.78451@sccrnsc02... Someone was thoughtful enough to find a supplier of mineralised supplementary feed licks for cattle http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp , but that's still a lick. A lick and a block are the same thing, you ignoramus. Not in my part of the world. A lick is a natual salt deposit. that is one problem with using websites without basic knowledge. No, it's the problem with Gordon using the internet, PERIOD. He has ONLY the most narrow, parochial, basic knowledge; he is ill equipped to talk about the larger world. Too many terms mean different things in different countries. If he weren't such a provincial moron, Gordon *could* have noted that ~~shitweed~~ wrote: I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK. And then he *might* have noted that the page I referenced was for a company selling feed licks/blocks and salt licks/blocks IN THE UK. My reference and comments were apropos to ~~shitweed's~~ claim. The moron Gordon's fatuous, narrow-minded comments are not. |
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"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ... You're an idiot. Your "part of the world" is a little backwater full of lowbrow idiots. Hey :-o That is unnecessary! M |
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Jonathan Ball wrote in message You're an idiot. Your "part of the world" is a little backwater full of lowbrow idiots. Jonathan does have an interpersonal relations problem -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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Jim Webster wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote in message ... A lick and a block are the same thing, you ignoramus. Not in my part of the world. A lick is a natual salt deposit. Not if it's being sold by a commercial company, you doofus. in the UK a lick will tend to be salt based, with added minerals a feed block will tend to be molasses and grain based with added minerals. yet there will inevitably be exceptions to this rule and some companies will call their products "buckets" or "Rockies" or other terms of their own. This isn't a problem as like the Texan company mentioned earlier, they will include a list of most of the ingredients. But do not try to use names used in one country in another, as they will not necessarily be the same. Gordon is from the USA where they may speak English but only after a fashion, and call things differently. This is why people like Lotus who don't know anything meaningful about agriculture in the real world can make themselves look complete idiots when they quote US websites in a UK context or vice-versa. You're not much brighter than Gordon; no surprise you're trying to pull his scorched balls out of the fire. Reread ~~shitweed's~~ claim: I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK. and then note that the site I referenced is a UK site. That company CLEARLY is using "lick" and "block" synonymously. You're even stupider than I thought, because the company in that site is not using the word "Rockies" as a generic term; it is a trademarked name of a particular lick ( = block) that they sell. Proving that you graze hourly in the pasture of stupidity, you are guaranteed to come back with some sophomoric retort to try to show that you didn't misunderstand. You DID misunderstand; little nuggets of stupidity-grass will be falling from your lips even as you compose your dimwitted retort. |
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Jonathan Ball wrote in message ... Jim Webster wrote: Reread ~~shitweed's~~ claim: I did, some days ago. but never mind, the nice lady will come with your medication soon and the nasty dreams will stop. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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Lotus wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Snip 3Kb of rank evasion. MAJOR cop-out, Jim. The audience will make up their own minds, based on the evidence. That's all I could ever ask. You shouldn't. The audience concluded years ago that your a liar and an idiot, and an irrational believer in make-believe bullshit like "inner earth beings". Present your INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE evidence that they exist, ~~shitweed~~. |
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Michelle Fulton wrote in message . .. "Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ... You're an idiot. Your "part of the world" is a little backwater full of lowbrow idiots. Hey :-o That is unnecessary! M it's OK, just don't take him seriously. I think his qualifications are from somewhere in California. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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