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Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the spring? http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking "chicken". I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses. Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC. |
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On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:28:59 -0600, Gae Xavier wrote:
Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the spring? http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking "chicken". I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses. Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC. The horse radish that grows in N. America and is eaten is Armoracia rusticana. |
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I very much doubt if the horse radish available in the nurseries is
the "muringa olefeira". While I have not seen the horse radish that is sold in the nurseries, I have known and eaten drumsticks for many years now and have searched many places here in vain for the drumstick tree. I am actually growing a drumstick tree in my house now, I got this tree from a friend who got it from Tanzania. For about 2-3 years now I have had it in medium size pots. I had almost killed it two years back in the winter when I didnt water regularly and exposed it to the cold. But it came back quite well. This summer I transferred it from a medium size pot to a huge pot (about 23 inches in diameter) and the tree just loved it. It shot up from 3-4 feet to 10 feet in 5 months and I am now not able to take it into my garage on cold nights. I have been wrapping it up on the colder nights and I intend to place it in the ground early spring this year. This is one of my favorite trees, its leaves look like the leaves of the pride of Barbados, but the tree gets much bigger. It is not a very strong tree and limbs break easily when somebody climbs it. So I am kind of wondering how it will last the fierce winds here. I am going to plant it so that my house is between the tree and NW, but I dont know if it is going to help much. The fruit or vegetable of this tree, the "drumsticks", are green in color and get about 1 foot in length and each has maybe 10-15 seeds. It is an extremely delicious vegetable and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen, but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also). -kn Gae Xavier wrote in message ... Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the spring? http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking "chicken". I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses. Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC. |
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Okay, how much do you want for a couple of seeds from your tree? :-)
Here are the instructions for germination and keeping the tree happy. You could become the local supplier you know. ;-) http://www.moringafarms.com/growing_it.htm Best -- Gae kn125 wrote: I very much doubt if the horse radish available in the nurseries is the "muringa olefeira". While I have not seen the horse radish that is sold in the nurseries, I have known and eaten drumsticks for many years now and have searched many places here in vain for the drumstick tree. I am actually growing a drumstick tree in my house now, I got this tree from a friend who got it from Tanzania. For about 2-3 years now I have had it in medium size pots. I had almost killed it two years back in the winter when I didnt water regularly and exposed it to the cold. But it came back quite well. This summer I transferred it from a medium size pot to a huge pot (about 23 inches in diameter) and the tree just loved it. It shot up from 3-4 feet to 10 feet in 5 months and I am now not able to take it into my garage on cold nights. I have been wrapping it up on the colder nights and I intend to place it in the ground early spring this year. This is one of my favorite trees, its leaves look like the leaves of the pride of Barbados, but the tree gets much bigger. It is not a very strong tree and limbs break easily when somebody climbs it. So I am kind of wondering how it will last the fierce winds here. I am going to plant it so that my house is between the tree and NW, but I dont know if it is going to help much. The fruit or vegetable of this tree, the "drumsticks", are green in color and get about 1 foot in length and each has maybe 10-15 seeds. It is an extremely delicious vegetable and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen, but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also). -kn Gae Xavier wrote in message ... Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the spring? http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking "chicken". I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses. Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC. |
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i personally wouldn't recommend the frozen ones if you are using it for
sambar. you can buy a can of them at fiesta. put it end towards the very end though, otherwise it will get too mushy. in article , kn125 at wrote on 01/06/2003 05:24 PM: .... and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen, but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also). -kn Gae Xavier wrote in message ... I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking "chicken". |
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The more I read about this tree, the more I think it is a wonderful thing to
grow here and has such health benefits as well according to several pharmaceutical web sources. Protects the liver from carbon tet and other bad chems, is antiviral against herpes virus... on and on. http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/he...h_moring.htm#f It survives drought as well as wet conditions and accepts all sorts of climates except hard freezes. And just look at it: http://www.mediterraneangardensociet....oleifera.html I want one!! Hopefully one of the seeds I have been promised will grow. " wrote: i personally wouldn't recommend the frozen ones if you are using it for sambar. you can buy a can of them at fiesta. put it end towards the very end though, otherwise it will get too mushy. in article , kn125 at wrote on 01/06/2003 05:24 PM: ... and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen, but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also). -kn Gae Xavier wrote in message ... I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking "chicken". |
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PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL.
http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm What a salad! Gae Xavier wrote: The more I read about this tree, the more I think it is a wonderful thing to grow here and has such health benefits as well according to several pharmaceutical web sources. Protects the liver from carbon tet and other bad chems, is antiviral against herpes virus... on and on. http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/he...h_moring.htm#f It survives drought as well as wet conditions and accepts all sorts of climates except hard freezes. And just look at it: http://www.mediterraneangardensociet....oleifera.html I want one!! Hopefully one of the seeds I have been promised will grow. " wrote: i personally wouldn't recommend the frozen ones if you are using it for sambar. you can buy a can of them at fiesta. put it end towards the very end though, otherwise it will get too mushy. in article , kn125 at wrote on 01/06/2003 05:24 PM: ... and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen, but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also). -kn Gae Xavier wrote in message ... I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking "chicken". |
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Gae Xavier wrote:
PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL. http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm What a salad! Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive to the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening! Outstanding!--AND they are mild! I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you wanted to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special offer; 50 seeds and a book for $19.95. Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they don't sprout, I may have an extra or two. Dale |
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Dale,
Very funny! I am thrilled that you found URLs to order the seeds and the book. I ordered all three varieties and the book. I love the Indian soup they make with it, and salads can always use more nutrition, too... Thanks for a place to buy the seeds. My search did not uncover them. "Scientifically speaking, Moringa sounds like magic. It can rebuild weak bones, enrich anemic blood and enable a malnourished mother to nurse her starving baby. Doctors use it to treat diabetes in West Africa and high blood pressure in India .... And it's not only good for you, it's delicious." I think this may be one tree we can add to our ecological diversity in Austin and really be rewarded by it. Best -- Gae "d.tilson" wrote: Gae Xavier wrote: PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL. http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm What a salad! Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive to the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening! Outstanding!--AND they are mild! I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you wanted to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special offer; 50 seeds and a book for $19.95. Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they don't sprout, I may have an extra or two. Dale |
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Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing.
Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to germinate, I have decided. Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them. In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as babies. Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends. These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the winter I reckon. I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/ Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree adolescence? Best to All -- Gae Xavier in article , Gae Xavier at wrote on 1/13/03 1:36 PM: Dale, Very funny! I am thrilled that you found URLs to order the seeds and the book. I ordered all three varieties and the book. I love the Indian soup they make with it, and salads can always use more nutrition, too... Thanks for a place to buy the seeds. My search did not uncover them. "Scientifically speaking, Moringa sounds like magic. It can rebuild weak bones, enrich anemic blood and enable a malnourished mother to nurse her starving baby. Doctors use it to treat diabetes in West Africa and high blood pressure in India .... And it's not only good for you, it's delicious." I think this may be one tree we can add to our ecological diversity in Austin and really be rewarded by it. Best -- Gae "d.tilson" wrote: Gae Xavier wrote: PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL. http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm What a salad! Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive to the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening! Outstanding!--AND they are mild! I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you wanted to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special offer; 50 seeds and a book for $19.95. Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they don't sprout, I may have an extra or two. Dale |
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G a e X a v i e r wrote:
Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing. Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to germinate, I have decided. Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them. In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as babies. Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends. These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the winter I reckon. I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/ Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree adolescence? Best to All -- Gae Xavier Hi, Gae, I was just wondering about your trees over the weekend. I tried to sprout two different batches; *none* of them seemed to even break dormancy and send out a shoot. (Dug 'em up to check after I gave up on them.) Oh, well. Another learning experience. At least it was cheap. ;-) Dale |
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DT wrote: G a e X a v i e r wrote: Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing. Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to germinate, I have decided. Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them. In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as babies. Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends. These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the winter I reckon. I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/ Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree adolescence? Best to All -- Gae Xavier Hi, Gae, I was just wondering about your trees over the weekend. I tried to sprout two different batches; *none* of them seemed to even break dormancy and send out a shoot. (Dug 'em up to check after I gave up on them.) Oh, well. Another learning experience. At least it was cheap. ;-) Dale Yep, that was what happened to me too. I tried again finally with the few seeds I had left in June and on the porch at 80 degrees most of the day and sopping wet, some finally sprouted. I now have three 5" plants in 3 separate containers but I want to get a good strong root system on them before I move them to bigger containers. That is why I was thinking about those two products that John D. recommended, but which one? Superthrive or Biozone for these precious babies. I am treating them like gold at this point. But the secret to germination is heat and constantly wet. The people at the Indian grocery were amazed that I had them. I could probably become the local supplier if I can get this Drumstick (Moringa) tree thing down to a science. Best to You -- Gae |
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Hi all,
I started half a dozen or so in my green house in late Jan/early Feb. They germinated within 5 to 7 days with temp's above 65F. I kept them in the green house till March 1st and they had reached 8 to 10 inches in height by then. Planted out they didn't grow much till about the first of April and now are between 3 and 6 ft tall. No sign of flowers tho' I didn't fertilize them in pots or since planting out since they are supposed to prefer poorer soils. I ate the root of one when it topped 24" and thought it tasted more like a radish than anything else. HTH Chris "G a e X a v i e r" wrote in message ... Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing. Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to germinate, I have decided. Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them. In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as babies. Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends. These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the winter I reckon. I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/ Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree adolescence? Best to All -- Gae Xavier in article , Gae Xavier at wrote on 1/13/03 1:36 PM: Dale, Very funny! I am thrilled that you found URLs to order the seeds and the book. I ordered all three varieties and the book. I love the Indian soup they make with it, and salads can always use more nutrition, too... Thanks for a place to buy the seeds. My search did not uncover them. "Scientifically speaking, Moringa sounds like magic. It can rebuild weak bones, enrich anemic blood and enable a malnourished mother to nurse her starving baby. Doctors use it to treat diabetes in West Africa and high blood pressure in India .... And it's not only good for you, it's delicious." I think this may be one tree we can add to our ecological diversity in Austin and really be rewarded by it. Best -- Gae "d.tilson" wrote: Gae Xavier wrote: PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL. http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm What a salad! Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive to the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening! Outstanding!--AND they are mild! I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you wanted to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special offer; 50 seeds and a book for $19.95. Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they don't sprout, I may have an extra or two. Dale |
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