How to deal with this ?

My aunt has a house in California...

She has had the home over 18 years now.

There are 2 trees whose roots are lifting the concrete pretty high.

She has been told that she needs to get rid of the trees and that there
is a "special something" that needs to be applied on the cut trunk
....or something...

Would anyone know what needs to be applied to the cut trunk to
permanently kill the trees?

Can anyone suggest a better way to get rid of these 2 trees ?

What do people normally do when the roots of a tree lift the concrete ?
How does one rectify such a

Thank you all in advance for your input,
Rita

What do people normally do when the roots of a tree lift the concrete ?
How does one rectify such a

Thank you all in advance for your input,
Rita
Not only have the trees cut down but have the stumps ground out to 12
inches or so...usually do

wrote:
How to deal with this ?

My aunt has a house in California...

She has had the home over 18 years now.

There are 2 trees whose roots are lifting the concrete pretty high.

She has been told that she needs to get rid of the trees and that
there is a "special something" that needs to be applied on the cut
trunk ...or something...

Would anyone know what needs to be applied to the cut trunk to
permanently kill the trees?

Can anyone suggest a better way to get rid of these 2 trees ?

What do people normally do when the roots of a tree lift the
concrete
? How does one rectify such a

It's not always useful to follow UK advice in American conditions,
but some things are constant, and this is one of them. You don't need
anything special to kill the stumps: just bore a number of holes, and
fill them with potassium nitrate or sodium chlorate. The chemical
will make the stumps burn nicely some weeks later when they've really
dried out. You can also get a paint-on stump killer from your garden
supplier, which is less work, but I don't think that will help
burning..

A tree-surgeon could charge you anything up to maybe three thousand
dollars, if my Florida friend's experience is typical. So, if you're
going to do it yourselves, make sure the stump is four or five feet
high: that way it will be easier to haul out with a winch, once
you've cut through the roots. Alternatively, you could just leave
short stumps and use them as a nice garden feature -- maybe something
to sit on, or grow plants over, or place pot-plants on.

I have to mention that cutting down a big tree isn't always safe for
those with no experience; and maybe the tall stump approach is even
trickier.

I assume you mean the concrete is the yard or driveway, not the
foundations of the house. If it is, I'd just leave it to settle back
as the years go by: no serious harm will have been done (unless
drains are involved), and the concrete can be patched once it's
levelled out.

--
Mike.

Harold Walker wrote:
What do people normally do when the roots of a tree lift the
concrete ? How does one rectify such a

Thank you all in advance for your input,
Rita
Not only have the trees cut down but have the stumps ground out to
12
inches or so...usually do

Harold, how do you do that? I use the invaluable Quotefix with OE,
and your messages often appear in the same colour, and with the same
marks as the one you're replying to. I've tried to do it myself,
just for info, but I can't. It's your business, but reading would be
a lot easier this end if it didn't happen -- somebody the other day
even thought you hadn't sent a message at all, I think because of it.

....ah, I've worked it out. It's a Gg thing, right? ...But I could
only get it to happen if I started a reply before the end of the
quoted text, which you don't seem to have done above.

--
Mike.

Harold, how do you do that? I use the invaluable Quotefix with OE,
and your messages often appear in the same colour, and with the same
marks as the one you're replying to. I've tried to do it myself,
just for info, but I can't. It's your business, but reading would be
a lot easier this end if it didn't happen -- somebody the other day
even thought you hadn't sent a message at all, I think because of it.

...ah, I've worked it out. It's a Gg thing, right? ...But I could
only get it to happen if I started a reply before the end of the
quoted text, which you don't seem to have done above.

--
Mike.
Must admit Mike I just type in a message and you get what I type...do not
know what I am doing that would make it tough to read...H

Harold Walker wrote:
Harold, how do you do that? I use the invaluable Quotefix with OE,
and your messages often appear in the same colour, and with the
same
marks as the one you're replying to. I've tried to do it myself,
just for info, but I can't. It's your business, but reading would
be
a lot easier this end if it didn't happen -- somebody the other
day
even thought you hadn't sent a message at all, I think because of
it.

...ah, I've worked it out. It's a Gg thing, right? ...But I could
only get it to happen if I started a reply before the end of the
quoted text, which you don't seem to have done above.

--
Mike.
Must admit Mike I just type in a message and you get what I
type...do not know what I am doing that would make it tough to
read...H

OK, so how does this appear on your screen? What I've got is
against the message of mine you replied to, _and_ against your reply.
Normally, the further back in the thread a message was sent, the more
things it has to the left: every time there's a reply, another
gets added. They are both displayed in the same colour, while
QuoteFix puts separate messages in different colours.

Your message also says "Harold Walker wrote" what was actually
written by me. It doesn't happen to confuse me, as I know what I
said; but it could throw anybody else.

Anybody out there know what's happening?

--
Mike.

Mike Lyle wrote:
Harold Walker wrote:
Harold, how do you do that? I use the invaluable Quotefix with
OE,
and your messages often appear in the same colour, and with the
same
marks as the one you're replying to. I've tried to do it
myself,
just for info, but I can't. It's your business, but reading would
be
a lot easier this end if it didn't happen -- somebody the other
day
even thought you hadn't sent a message at all, I think because of
it.

...ah, I've worked it out. It's a Gg thing, right? ...But I could
only get it to happen if I started a reply before the end of the
quoted text, which you don't seem to have done above.

--
Mike.
Must admit Mike I just type in a message and you get what I
type...do not know what I am doing that would make it tough to
read...H

OK, so how does this appear on your screen? What I've got is
against the message of mine you replied to, _and_ against your
reply.
Normally, the further back in the thread a message was sent, the
more
things it has to the left: every time there's a reply, another
gets added. They are both displayed in the same colour, while
QuoteFix puts separate messages in different colours.

Your message also says "Harold Walker wrote" what was actually
written by me. It doesn't happen to confuse me, as I know what I
said; but it could throw anybody else.

Anybody out there know what's happening?

Dash! Sorry: I forgot that putting those carets-on-their-sides in my
message would trigger the quotation signals. Sorry. But I hope
readers can still see what I meant.

--
Mike.

Still leaves me cold Mike...I must admit I do not understand what you
mean....I am using Outlook Express.....everything from top to bottom of the
'stuff' below is in black except for mike lyle



"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
...
Mike Lyle wrote:
Harold Walker wrote:
Harold, how do you do that? I use the invaluable Quotefix with
OE,
and your messages often appear in the same colour, and with the
same
marks as the one you're replying to. I've tried to do it
myself,
just for info, but I can't. It's your business, but reading would
be
a lot easier this end if it didn't happen -- somebody the other
day
even thought you hadn't sent a message at all, I think because of
it.

...ah, I've worked it out. It's a Gg thing, right? ...But I could
only get it to happen if I started a reply before the end of the
quoted text, which you don't seem to have done above.

--
Mike.
Must admit Mike I just type in a message and you get what I
type...do not know what I am doing that would make it tough to
read...H

OK, so how does this appear on your screen? What I've got is
against the message of mine you replied to, _and_ against your
reply.
Normally, the further back in the thread a message was sent, the
more
things it has to the left: every time there's a reply, another
gets added. They are both displayed in the same colour, while
QuoteFix puts separate messages in different colours.

Your message also says "Harold Walker wrote" what was actually
written by me. It doesn't happen to confuse me, as I know what I
said; but it could throw anybody else.

Anybody out there know what's happening?

Dash! Sorry: I forgot that putting those carets-on-their-sides in my
message would trigger the quotation signals. Sorry. But I hope
readers can still see what I meant.

--
Mike.

"Harold Walker" wrote in message
...
Still leaves me cold Mike...I must admit I do not understand what
you
mean....I am using Outlook Express.....everything from top to
bottom of the
'stuff' below is in black except for mike lyle




"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
...
Mike Lyle wrote:
Harold Walker wrote:
Harold, how do you do that? I use the invaluable Quotefix with
OE,
and your messages often appear in the same colour, and with
the
same
marks as the one you're replying to. I've tried to do it
myself,
just for info, but I can't. It's your business, but reading
would
be
a lot easier this end if it didn't happen -- somebody the
other
day
even thought you hadn't sent a message at all, I think because
of
it.

...ah, I've worked it out. It's a Gg thing, right? ...But I
could
only get it to happen if I started a reply before the end of
the
quoted text, which you don't seem to have done above.

--
Mike.
Must admit Mike I just type in a message and you get what I
type...do not know what I am doing that would make it tough to
read...H

OK, so how does this appear on your screen? What I've got is
against the message of mine you replied to, _and_ against your
reply.
Normally, the further back in the thread a message was sent, the
more
things it has to the left: every time there's a reply, another

gets added. They are both displayed in the same colour, while
QuoteFix puts separate messages in different colours.

Your message also says "Harold Walker wrote" what was actually
written by me. It doesn't happen to confuse me, as I know what I
said; but it could throw anybody else.

Anybody out there know what's happening?

Dash! Sorry: I forgot that putting those carets-on-their-sides in
my
message would trigger the quotation signals. Sorry. But I hope
readers can still see what I meant.

--
Mike.

OK, here I go in vanilla OE, without QuoteFix. (QF is available free
or for an optional donation at:
http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix )

I still don't get the display style you have. I really do hope
somebody else will recognise the symptoms. (I've left in some
quotation indicators below to see if that has an effect on what
appears in the group.)

--
Mike.

The message
from "Mike Lyle" contains these words:


I assume you mean the concrete is the yard or driveway, not the
foundations of the house. If it is, I'd just leave it to settle back
as the years go by: no serious harm will have been done (unless
drains are involved), and the concrete can be patched once it's
levelled out.

I think that depends on the species of tree and the soil structure
and local climate.

Trees with a full head of foliage suck up a huge amount of ground
water, which can shrink the soil structure beneath building foundations
and causing them to settle unevenly and often crack. Then if the tree is
felled, the ground holds more water and expands again, pushing up/apart
the cracked foundation (with even more stress on the building). So in
some circumstances it can be better to dismantle a tree close to a
building, gradually over a period of time, so that there isn't a
sudden change in the soil-structure.

You really need some specialist advice on the kind of soil, kind of
tree and local conditions, before rushing into a course of action that
might worsen any damage already done.

Janet

Finally Mike see what you mean....will call Comcast (the server)early in the
morning....as you probably realise as I do now that anything above "Still
leaves me cold" was not typed in by me....can readily see where it is bluddy
confusing...am also going to send another with typing below your message but
with quite a bit of space to see what comes out.......H




"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
...

"Harold Walker" wrote in message
...
Still leaves me cold Mike...I must admit I do not understand what
you
mean....I am using Outlook Express.....everything from top to
bottom of the
'stuff' below is in black except for mike lyle




"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
...
Mike Lyle wrote:
Harold Walker wrote:
Harold, how do you do that? I use the invaluable Quotefix with
OE,
and your messages often appear in the same colour, and with
the
same
marks as the one you're replying to. I've tried to do it
myself,
just for info, but I can't. It's your business, but reading
would
be
a lot easier this end if it didn't happen -- somebody the
other
day
even thought you hadn't sent a message at all, I think because
of
it.

...ah, I've worked it out. It's a Gg thing, right? ...But I
could
only get it to happen if I started a reply before the end of
the
quoted text, which you don't seem to have done above.

--
Mike.
Must admit Mike I just type in a message and you get what I
type...do not know what I am doing that would make it tough to
read...H

OK, so how does this appear on your screen? What I've got is
against the message of mine you replied to, _and_ against your
reply.
Normally, the further back in the thread a message was sent, the
more
things it has to the left: every time there's a reply, another

gets added. They are both displayed in the same colour, while
QuoteFix puts separate messages in different colours.

Your message also says "Harold Walker wrote" what was actually
written by me. It doesn't happen to confuse me, as I know what I
said; but it could throw anybody else.

Anybody out there know what's happening?

Dash! Sorry: I forgot that putting those carets-on-their-sides in
my
message would trigger the quotation signals. Sorry. But I hope
readers can still see what I meant.

--
Mike.

OK, here I go in vanilla OE, without QuoteFix. (QF is available free
or for an optional donation at:
http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix )

I still don't get the display style you have. I really do hope
somebody else will recognise the symptoms. (I've left in some
quotation indicators below to see if that has an effect on what
appears in the group.)

--
Mike.

..
Mike.

OK, here I go in vanilla OE, without QuoteFix. (QF is available free
or for an optional donation at:
http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix )

I still don't get the display style you have. I really do hope
somebody else will recognise the symptoms. (I've left in some
quotation indicators below to see if that has an effect on what
appears in the group.)

--
Mike.




Have deleted all but Mike above the para and Mike below...and this sentence
is all that is being typed...H

If it were mine, I would make a cut that goes all the way through the bark
with a chain saw and do it in a complete circle around the tree. Once the
bark has been cut the sap cannot get to the tree and it will die.

You may have to remove the concrete, then the roots, and put down new
concrete. It all depends on how high it has pushed up. It will take years
for the root to rot enough for the existing concrete to settle back down.

That happened to my sidewalk once, and I had to take out the chunk of
concrete, level out the ground, and replace it. As long as there was a
"lip" sticking up, someone could fall and get hurt.

Dwayne
wrote in message
oups.com...

How to deal with this ?

My aunt has a house in California...

She has had the home over 18 years now.

There are 2 trees whose roots are lifting the concrete pretty high.

She has been told that she needs to get rid of the trees and that there
is a "special something" that needs to be applied on the cut trunk
...or something...

Would anyone know what needs to be applied to the cut trunk to
permanently kill the trees?

Can anyone suggest a better way to get rid of these 2 trees ?

What do people normally do when the roots of a tree lift the concrete ?
How does one rectify such a

Thank you all in advance for your input,
Rita

Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message
from "Mike Lyle" contains
these
words:


I assume you mean the concrete is the yard or driveway, not the
foundations of the house. If it is, I'd just leave it to settle
back
as the years go by: no serious harm will have been done (unless
drains are involved), and the concrete can be patched once it's
levelled out.

I think that depends on the species of tree and the soil
structure
and local climate.

Trees with a full head of foliage suck up a huge amount of
ground
water, which can shrink the soil structure beneath building
foundations and causing them to settle unevenly and often crack.
Then
if the tree is felled, the ground holds more water and expands
again, pushing up/apart the cracked foundation (with even more
stress
on the building). So in
some circumstances it can be better to dismantle a tree close to a
building, gradually over a period of time, so that there isn't a
sudden change in the soil-structure.

You really need some specialist advice on the kind of soil, kind
of
tree and local conditions, before rushing into a course of action
that might worsen any damage already done.

Janet

I did say (see above) "I assume you mean the concrete is the yard or
driveway, not the foundations of the house", dash it! We were told of
some visible damage to concrete, not damage to the house. I hope the
OP would go straight to a structural surveyor, not liddle ole us, if
the house was showing signs of distress.

That said, if it's one of those Australian or American wooden houses
on concrete footings, I still wouldn't worry too much unless I were
planning to sell it. In the US, a lot of the time you may not get
much more than the site value anyway -- though even there that can be
substantial if you're in the right place.

--
Mike.

Harold Walker wrote:
.
Mike.

OK, here I go in vanilla OE, without QuoteFix. (QF is available
free
or for an optional donation at:
http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix )

I still don't get the display style you have. I really do hope
somebody else will recognise the symptoms. (I've left in some
quotation indicators below to see if that has an effect on what
appears in the group.)

--
Mike.




Have deleted all but Mike above the para and Mike below...and this
sentence is all that is being typed...H

Worked perfect, brother!

--
Mike.