Reported to with full headers.

Please follow suit. Bear in mind that this will get worse before it gets
better.

Perhaps it may be worthwhile changing uk.rec.gardening to a moderated
newsgroup? Or re-establishing it as a forum? I don't have the knowledge or
resources to do either (AFAIK).

--
Crazy Dog
(Don't let the barstewards grind you down)

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:10:55 +0000, Crazy Dog wrote
(in article ):

Reported to with full headers.

Please follow suit. Bear in mind that this will get worse before it gets
better.


FWIW I haven't had any at all this time. NIN is obviously on top of the
problem and has filtered them all out. Definitely worth the 10 Euros a year!





--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:10:55 -0000, Crazy Dog wrote:

Perhaps it may be worthwhile changing uk.rec.gardening to a moderated
newsgroup? Or re-establishing it as a forum?

Firstly what flood on the 28th? Nothing seen here just the normal quiet
traffic. I suggest you use a decent news provider who cares about the
service they give.

Switching to moderated or a slow bandwidth hungry clunky web forum would
kill the group.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:10:55 -0000, Crazy Dog wrote:

Perhaps it may be worthwhile changing uk.rec.gardening to a moderated
newsgroup? Or re-establishing it as a forum?

Firstly what flood on the 28th? Nothing seen here just the normal quiet
traffic. I suggest you use a decent news provider who cares about the
service they give.

I, personally, prefer to use the service provided 'free' by my ISP. I do
spend quite a lot of time in newsgroups and on forums but I couldn't justify
spending money for anything I can get at no additional expense. Can you
recommend any /free/ news servers with good filtering?

Switching to moderated or a slow bandwidth hungry clunky web forum would
kill the group.

The delay in moderation and making posts public would be a problem. The
early users of usenet tended to be academics and old-world IT professionals
who were happy enough to wait for a reply. There was a very low probability
of significant problems caused by users so there was little need for
moderation to protect against malicious damage. Current users, of course,
are from a vastly wider background. A small minority are deliberately
destructive and the need for moderation is increased. The main problem is
that usenet is now used in a more 'conversational' mode than it was in its
early days - people live their lives at a faster pace. They expect their
usenet posts to appear almost instantaneously and hope for replies to appear
very soon after posting.

Forums offer, of course, many more possibilities than just usenet-style
exchanges. However, as you say, there are pitfalls. Bandwidth, the need to
be online while reading, occasional instability (usenet rarely has
problems), issues over ownership of posts (many free forum providers try to
claim they own anything posted).

My belief is that due to the amount of malicious damage caused in
unmoderated usenet groups the use of this format is reaching the end of its
life. How many potentially very helpful gardeners have been turned away from
urg due to newsgroup flooding? I'm a gardening newbie - really just taking
an active interest for the first time this year. I have a lot to learn about
gardening so I lurk in most on-topic threads that interest me. I also have
almost 30 years in the IT industry (from Speccies and Apple 2s, through PCs
and unix boxes, to ICL and IBM mainframes - including networking and
internet implementation) so it's inevitable I'll be more involved in the OT
flooding posts.

I'm also a persistent barsteward so the morons causing the flooding won't be
driving me away.

--
Crazy Dog
(Being a persistent barsteward has its pitfalls too)

The message
from "Crazy Dog" contains these words:

/snip/

From the exchanges that have already taken place, and the lack of netiquette
I have already observed in this group I would regard most users as very
inexperienced.

You'll find that many of the established users only come out of the
woodwork when prodded, or when they have something to contribute.

Others, (myself included) tend to be a bit more active (and often off-topic).

Unfortunately there are personality clashes, in most of which I will not
take sides (and I do wish they'd just ignore one-another). However,
there's one I make and take exception to - so here's to absent fiends,
and long may he stay absent.

I hope there is no need to change or go elsewhere. Moderation
would mean delays in posts going public. Changing to a forum format would
mean some users would not have access from pcs at work.

And only the Gardenbanterites would go there.

In general I prefer
unmoderated newsgroups. In general I believe that "if it ain't broke - don't
fix it". My perception is that, due to the flooding the group is
experiencing, it /is/ broken as it is not a pleasant environment.

Most servers remove the rubbish before anyone gets a chance to download it.

That's
certainly not due to the genuine users.

No, as I see it, it's a uk.local.* thing mainly, and not restricted to urg.

It occurs to me that for regulars to explain in public, to strangers,
exactly if and how they circumvent successive floods, may not be a good
idea. It may be helpful to those who want to get round our defences.

That has also occurred to me. However, I also regard posting a genuine email
address as fundamentally stupid and I would assume that most others would
think so too. Therefore, if anyone posts a thread asking for help or info I
won't attempt to reply to sender - I'll reply to the group. Besides, it's
all available online if anyone cares to google.

Those wishing to exchange tactics and helpful support would perhaps be
better to do so in the privacy of email between familiar gardening
names.

See above.


Most of us include a bot-proof emu, and some post using their proper
addresses.

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

"Rusty Hinge 2" wrote in message
k...
The message
from "Crazy Dog" contains these words:

/snip/

From the exchanges that have already taken place, and the lack of
netiquette
I have already observed in this group I would regard most users as very
inexperienced.

You'll find that many of the established users only come out of the
woodwork when prodded, or when they have something to contribute.

I'll probably be doing a lot of lurking myself. Gardening is still full of
mysery for me. Ooops. Freudian slip - I meant mystery!

Others, (myself included) tend to be a bit more active (and often
off-topic).

Off-topic I can do.

Unfortunately there are personality clashes, in most of which I will not
take sides (and I do wish they'd just ignore one-another). However,
there's one I make and take exception to - so here's to absent fiends,
and long may he stay absent.

It's what a kill-file is for. Seriously, wherever more than one person
gathers there is likely to be the odd personality clash from time to time.
Some people become experts.

I hope there is no need to change or go elsewhere. Moderation
would mean delays in posts going public. Changing to a forum format
would
mean some users would not have access from pcs at work.

And only the Gardenbanterites would go there.

Them and us?

In general I prefer
unmoderated newsgroups. In general I believe that "if it ain't broke -
don't
fix it". My perception is that, due to the flooding the group is
experiencing, it /is/ broken as it is not a pleasant environment.

Most servers remove the rubbish before anyone gets a chance to download
it.

Hmm. Wanadoo doesn't. Having said that I was online when yesterday's crap
started appearing. Perhaps they clean up retrospectively? I don't really
want to unsubscribe/re-subscribe to find out now I've deleted the crap in
OE.

That's
certainly not due to the genuine users.

No, as I see it, it's a uk.local.* thing mainly, and not restricted to
urg.

I had a little look around some other groups I've been involved in from time
to time. Some get flooded, some don't. I wonder how the morons decide which
ones they're going to target.

snip

Most of us include a bot-proof emu, and some post using their proper
addresses.

I haven't included a proper address for a long time. I don't use my ISP's
spam filter and I don't get much spam.

--
Crazy Dog
(Looking forward to freshly harvested potatoes at the weekend)

Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:

Unfortunately there are personality clashes, in most of which I will not
take sides

Sorry put head down in shame

The message
from "Crazy Dog" contains these words:

/snip/

Unfortunately there are personality clashes, in most of which I will not
take sides (and I do wish they'd just ignore one-another). However,
there's one I make and take exception to - so here's to absent fiends,
and long may he stay absent.

It's what a kill-file is for. Seriously, wherever more than one person
gathers there is likely to be the odd personality clash from time to time.

This isn't a personality clash, but it's appearance id most definitely odd.

Some people become experts.

Only by working at it.

I hope there is no need to change or go elsewhere. Moderation
would mean delays in posts going public. Changing to a forum format
would
mean some users would not have access from pcs at work.

And only the Gardenbanterites would go there.

Them and us?

Them's forum folk. I dislike fora like dislikeable things.

In general I prefer
unmoderated newsgroups. In general I believe that "if it ain't broke -
don't
fix it". My perception is that, due to the flooding the group is
experiencing, it /is/ broken as it is not a pleasant environment.

Most servers remove the rubbish before anyone gets a chance to download
it.

Hmm. Wanadoo doesn't.

Wannadoo? 'Nuff said.

Having said that I was online when yesterday's crap
started appearing.

Yesterday's? There's been some since 24th Feb?

Perhaps they clean up retrospectively? I don't really
want to unsubscribe/re-subscribe to find out now I've deleted the crap in
OE.

That's
certainly not due to the genuine users.

No, as I see it, it's a uk.local.* thing mainly, and not restricted to
urg.

I had a little look around some other groups I've been involved in from time
to time. Some get flooded, some don't. I wonder how the morons decide which
ones they're going to target.

Any group which is fairly well-used, perhaps?

snip

Most of us include a bot-proof emu, and some post using their proper
addresses.

I haven't included a proper address for a long time. I don't use my ISP's
spam filter and I don't get much spam.


I get (say) two or three a month in one which has never posted on
Usenet. Some spammers have a scattergun approach with some sort of
generator spewing out likely addresses.

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

Rupert wrote:
Unfortunately there are personality clashes, in most of which I will not
take sides
Sorry put head down in shame

That must be painful for you as it involve removing it from your arse--silly
woman.

Don, you seem to have got yourself drunk again. There's absolutely no
call for this. Shame.