Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water", and I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would be
good too....

Thanks for any help with this!

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"VX" wrote in message
s.com...
Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need
to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water", and
I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use
of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies
to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would
be
good too....

Thanks for any help with this!

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My understanding is they can ban you from using water but will not reduce
your water bill while still paying HUGE dividends to the share
holders...........that's it in a nut shell.

On 10/6/06 13:34, in article
, "VX"
wrote:

Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water", and I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would be
good too....

Thanks for any help with this!

Usually it means you can't use a hosepipe connected to a tap to water your
garden or wash your car. Topping up of fishponds is permitted but whether
by hose or can may vary from area to area.

But the most important source of information will be your local water board
and/or your local council's web sites.

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www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

"VX" wrote in message
s.com...
Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need
to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water", and
I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use
of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies
to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

According to this -

quote

The first drought order in England and Wales in 11 years has
come into force, affecting 650,000 people.
The order by Sutton and East Surrey Water extends an existing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
hosepipe ban to add restrictions on sports grounds, parks, car
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
washes and window cleaners.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5022690.stm

In other words it simply extends any restrictitions already
imposed on domestic consumers by a hosepipe ban, to everybody
else.

But it doesn't add any further restrictions to domestic consumers.

That's only achieved by the next stage - by cutting off the supply
altogether and forcing customers to use standpipes in the street.

"Water" in any eventuality as far as the legislaton goes, only means
water obtained through pipes from the supplier. Not rain water.

The problem with "grey" or recycled water may be that technically its
originally from the pipes. And maybe there's nothing to stop people
from deliberatly filling the bath, just so as to use the "recycled"
water.

But there can certainly be no objection to rainwater IMO.



michael adams

....


If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would
be
good too....

Thanks for any help with this!

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correction to recycling point.

"VX" wrote in message
s.com...
Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need
to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water", and
I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use
of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies
to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

According to this -

quote

The first drought order in England and Wales in 11 years has
come into force, affecting 650,000 people.
The order by Sutton and East Surrey Water extends an existing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
hosepipe ban to add restrictions on sports grounds, parks, car
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
washes and window cleaners.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5022690.stm

In other words it simply extends any restrictitions already
imposed on domestic consumers by a hosepipe ban, to everybody
else.

But it doesn't add any further restrictions to domestic consumers.

That's only achieved by the next stage - by cutting off the supply
altogether and forcing customers to use standpipes in the street.

"Water" in any eventuality as far as the legislaton goes, only means
water obtained through pipes from the supplier. Not rain water.

The problem with "grey" or recycled water may be that technically its
originally from the pipes. And maybe there's nothing to stop people
from deliberatly filling the bath, just so as to use the "recycled"
water.

Although actually looking at the link ...er....."recycled" water use
is still o.k So just fill the bath and siphon any relly "essential"
water from there.

But there can certainly be no objection to rainwater IMO.



michael adams

....


If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would
be
good too....

Thanks for any help with this!

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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:34:08 +0100, VX
wrote:

Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water", and I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would be
good too....

http://www.defra.gov.uk/news/2006/060515c.htm

This tells you what you need to know. I would imagine Thames Water's
order will be the same.

I don't think there are further issues for domestic gardeners. It gets
more serious for other gardens, parks and attractions though.

We are looking at this at work as it means that we cannot have trains on
the underground washed other than for safety and hygiene reasons. We're
not yet clear whether safety extends to the windows of the carriages
being able to be washed to allow people to see where they are!
--
Paul C

Many thanks for the replies. That clarifies things a lot.

[Re the subject line- I make noticeably more typos in subject lines than
elsewhere. Is this common, and if so, why?]
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[Re the subject line- I make noticeably more typos in subject lines than
elsewhere. Is this common, and if so, why?]
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One 'never makes mistakes' in one's writings, thus to proof read your own
work, you never find the mistakes because you read what 'was intended'
instead of what is rit ;-))

Michael Crowe FEP


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"VX" wrote in message
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Many thanks for the replies. That clarifies things a lot.

[Re the subject line- I make noticeably more typos in subject lines than
elsewhere. Is this common, and if so, why?]

The text size for subject lines is smaller on many
Newsreaders. And in Outlook Express, in a Windows
system font which is sometimes difficult to read.
Plus you can't spellchecker on subject lines, even
if you wanted.

michael adams

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"VX" wrote in message
s.com...
Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need
to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come
into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water",
and I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use
of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies
to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would
be
good too....

Thanks for any help with this!

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My understanding is they can ban you from using water but will not reduce
your water bill while still paying HUGE dividends to the share
holders...........that's it in a nut shell.

What, exactly is meant by a 'hosepipe ban'?

Does it mean you cannot water your veg garden by dribbling water onto
individual plants?

Alan

In article m, VX
writes
Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Apparently a Drought Order prohibits "all non-essential use of water", and I
wonder how this applies to the gardener. Legally, what non-essential use of
water CAN be prohibited? Specifically, I'd like to know how this applies to:

* watering the garden with a watering can using mains water
* watering the garden with rainwater collected in a water butt with hose
irrigation OR with a watering can

If anyone can point me to the text of the relevant legislation that would be
good too....

Thanks for any help with this!



You should be able to get to a website of your local water company and
it will tell you what they deem to be non essential. At the moment I
believe you can fill up water butts etc with a short piece of hose from
the tap to the butt/empty dustbin but you can't water directly from the
end of it IF it's attached to the mains.
I've just ordered one of those pumps that gardener's World showed on
Friday so I can pump bath water out through a hose. I'll have two baths
a day if it means I can water my cuttings etc!
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Amersham Gardening Association
http://www.amersham-gardening.net

In article , michael adams
writes

Plus you can't spellchecker on subject lines, even
if you wanted.

michael adams

...


Turnpike spellchecks subject lines.

Janet
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Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

In article , Janet Tweedy
wrote:

You should be able to get to a website of your local water company and
it will tell you what they deem to be non essential. At the moment I
believe you can fill up water butts etc with a short piece of hose from
the tap to the butt/empty dustbin but you can't water directly from the
end of it IF it's attached to the mains.

Thames Water has invented the notion that its customers can use only a
short length of hose but it's a lie - they have no power under the
hosepipe legislation to decree what length of hose anyone can use. They
are (illegally) trying to stop people from wandering around the garden
with a hosepipe in one hand and a watering can in the other, topping up
the watering can whenever and wherever they want. But it's perfectly
legal to do this whether under a hosepipe ban or drought order -- and
it's the only way that some elderly/infirm gardeners can water their
needy plants.

Thames Water have done their credibility no favours at all. And they
compound their dishonesty by instructing their helpline staff to give
false advice to customers who phone in.

"VX" wrote in message
s.com...
Can anyone explain what exactly is prohibited by a Drought Order? I need
to
know since my water authority has now applied for one and it may come into
force in a couple of months.

Wyevale garden centre had some leaflets,which didn't seem to be just for my
area in West Sussex. Does say hosepipe ban don't know if that is the same as
drought orders. It stated:

'Contrary to popular belief, you can stilluse a garden hose - even under a
hosepipe ban- in accordance with the following restrictions:

WATERING CANS (pun intended)

You can use a GARDEN HOSE to:

Fill Watering cans, water butts, pressure sprayers and other empty
containers.

Connect a pressure washer to the outside tap

Fill up ponds and pools

Water a council allotment

supply water to garden showers and children's toys

Clean windows and buildings, including greenhouses.

WATERING CANNOTS

You cannot use a GARDEN HOSE to :

Water plants grass or the soil directly.

To wash cars

Being allowed to fill Water Butts really surprised me.
HTH
Sheila

Just found its on line as well after typing all that
http://www.wyevale.co.uk/savewater.asp

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 3:00:33 +0100, doobydoobydo wrote
(in message ):

'Contrary to popular belief, you can stilluse a garden hose - even under a
hosepipe ban- in accordance with the following restrictions:

You can use a GARDEN HOSE to:

Fill Watering cans, water butts, pressure sprayers and other empty
containers.

snipped

http://www.wyevale.co.uk/savewater.asp

Thanks for that- very interesting! I've printed out a few copies to give to
neighbours.

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