In message , Alan Holmes
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:48:24 +0000, June Hughes

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In message , Anne Jackson
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Some months ago, we had a discussion about sensors in dustbins and
garden refuse collecting bins. Our bins are emptied once a week by
three sets of collectors, more or less simultaneously. There is a
penalty of up to one thousand pounds for people not using their
recycling bins.

In Wymondham, Norfolk, it was proposed to install sensors in the bins
in order to spot who was putting the wrong stuff in their bin. They
collect on alternate weeks. I was recently staying with m-in-l and we
found these sensors in the brand new bins that had been delivered to
her. They are just under the front upper rim of the bin and are around
one inch in diameter and I should imagine that giving everyone two new
bins was expensive. Does anyone know how these sensors work, please?

PS The council there have stopped giving away free dog-pooh bags -
possibly to help support the cost of all the new bins.

I don't know about anywhere else, June, but Perth Council only lease
the bins from the manufacturers, they don't buy them. Same story with
all the vehicles they use...

Ah! You are probably correct Ann.

In our part of the world if you complain that your bin disappeared after
the
last collection, you are given another without charge "it happens all the
time".
After the person who "accidentally" took your bin is caught with it and
returns
it, you can then get rid of twice as much waste.

If they ever appear here, I will try to get all the neighbours to swop them
around every week, or perhaps apply a hammer to the damned things!

One of m-in-l's friends has removed his from the bin. She didn't tell
me what he had done with it after that.
--
June Hughes

On 2 Mar, 21:06, June Hughes wrote:
In message , Alan Holmes
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:48:24 +0000, June Hughes

wrote:

In message , Anne Jackson
writes
The message from June Hughes contains
these words:

Some months ago, we had a discussion about sensors in dustbins and
garden refuse collecting bins. Our bins are emptied once a week by
three sets of collectors, more or less simultaneously. There is a
penalty of up to one thousand pounds for people not using their
recycling bins.

In Wymondham, Norfolk, it was proposed to install sensors in the bins
in order to spot who was putting the wrong stuff in their bin. They
collect on alternate weeks. I was recently staying with m-in-l and we
found these sensors in the brand new bins that had been delivered to
her. They are just under the front upper rim of the bin and are around
one inch in diameter and I should imagine that giving everyone two new
bins was expensive. Does anyone know how these sensors work, please?

PS The council there have stopped giving away free dog-pooh bags -
possibly to help support the cost of all the new bins.

I don't know about anywhere else, June, but Perth Council only lease
the bins from the manufacturers, they don't buy them. Same story with
all the vehicles they use...

Ah! You are probably correct Ann.

In our part of the world if you complain that your bin disappeared after
the
last collection, you are given another without charge "it happens all the
time".
After the person who "accidentally" took your bin is caught with it and
returns
it, you can then get rid of twice as much waste.

If they ever appear here, I will try to get all the neighbours to swop them
around every week, or perhaps apply a hammer to the damned things!

One of m-in-l's friends has removed his from the bin. She didn't tell
me what he had done with it after that.
--
June Hughes

I can't understand why councils don't double the charge for rubbish
disposal then offer reductions for items recycled. I am sure more
people would recycle if they got something for doing so.
Here we have 3 households sharing one bin and even then it is often
less than half full.
But then we have been recycling things for many years, one of the joys
of country living.
David Hill

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Hill writes
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I can't understand why councils don't double the charge for rubbish
disposal then offer reductions for items recycled. I am sure more
people would recycle if they got something for doing so.
Here we have 3 households sharing one bin and even then it is often
less than half full.
But then we have been recycling things for many years, one of the joys
of country living.
David Hill

We have been doing it for years here in north London but neither of our
neighbours on either side do it.
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June Hughes

On 2 Mar 2007 13:40:22 -0800, Dave Hill wrote:

I can't understand why councils don't double the charge for rubbish
disposal ...

Whoa there everyone already pays for rubbish disposal via their council
tax. It really gets my goat that I have to pay again for the disposal of
"bulky items" and pay again twice if said bulky item is a fridge or
freezer. I wouldn't mind so much if there was a "Household Amenity
Centre" within 10 miles but there isn't it's 30 miles away...

then offer reductions for items recycled.

Now I like that idea, we recyle paper, card, glass, metal, plastic (films
and bottles) and cartons. Food waste goes on the compost heap. Not very
much at all goes into the general waste bag, probably take us a month to
properly fill one.

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In messa


Does anyone know how these sensors work, please?


The device in the bin is just the serial number of the bin that can be
read by the collection lorry. The serial number will be registered to
your home address.

If you want to get rid of something 'illegal' just remove the tag from
your bin and swap it for the tag from one of your neighbours bins.

If you don't want this to happen to you treat your bin as being made of
gold and lock it away! Remember that if your bin is stolen, or used for
inappropriate disposal of waste by a third party you will be subject to
a large fine. If you expect that your bin has been used by others report
it to the Police (and insist on getting a crime number) or else you have
no comeback when you get the demand for the fine.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

In message , Alan
writes
In messa


Does anyone know how these sensors work, please?


The device in the bin is just the serial number of the bin that can be
read by the collection lorry. The serial number will be registered to
your home address.

If you want to get rid of something 'illegal' just remove the tag from
your bin and swap it for the tag from one of your neighbours bins.

If you don't want this to happen to you treat your bin as being made of
gold and lock it away! Remember that if your bin is stolen, or used
for inappropriate disposal of waste by a third party you will be
subject to a large fine. If you expect that your bin has been used by
others report it to the Police (and insist on getting a crime number)
or else you have no comeback when you get the demand for the fine.

Good Lord. M-in-L is 78. Doesn't want to be doing with all that at her
age but thanks for telling me.
--
June Hughes

In message , Martin
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:42:00 +0000, Alan wrote:

In messa


Does anyone know how these sensors work, please?


The device in the bin is just the serial number of the bin that can be
read by the collection lorry. The serial number will be registered to
your home address.

If you want to get rid of something 'illegal' just remove the tag from
your bin and swap it for the tag from one of your neighbours bins.

If you don't want this to happen to you treat your bin as being made of
gold and lock it away! Remember that if your bin is stolen, or used for
inappropriate disposal of waste by a third party you will be subject to
a large fine. If you expect that your bin has been used by others report
it to the Police (and insist on getting a crime number) or else you have
no comeback when you get the demand for the fine.

You have the advantage of being innocent until proved guilty under English law.
Yes you do but think of the hassel and inconvenience in fighting it.
--
June Hughes

In message , Martin
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You have the advantage of being innocent until proved guilty under English law.

If you have enough money and time you may be able to fight the
imposition of the fine. Back in the real world, the authorities will
have a record of YOUR bin ID containing the inappropriate rubbish.


--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

In message , Martin
wrote
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:21:38 +0000, Alan wrote:

In message , Martin
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You have the advantage of being innocent until proved guilty under
English law.

If you have enough money and time you may be able to fight the
imposition of the fine. Back in the real world, the authorities will
have a record of YOUR bin ID containing the inappropriate rubbish.

As you have pointed out the labels are easily switched and the info they have
means nothing.

If someone steals your bin (or its identity) the fines will come back to
you and no-one else. It's very much like someone cloning your car
number plate - how do you prove that you are innocent when the speeding
fine drops through your letter box.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

In message , Martin
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If you have reported the theft of the bin it should no longer be in your name.

This was the point I originally made. You have to report the theft and
don't let the Police ignore your report.

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Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

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In message , Martin
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If you have reported the theft of the bin it should no longer be in your
name.

This was the point I originally made. You have to report the theft and
don't let the Police ignore your report.


All this makes me even more pleased we still use black bin bags.

Mike

In article ,
June Hughes writes:
| In message , Martin
| writes
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| You have the advantage of being innocent until proved guilty under English law.
|
| Yes you do but think of the hassel and inconvenience in fighting it.

No, you don't. The Blessed Margaret made several crimes provable under
civil laws of evidence (i.e. "balance of probability") and Holy Tony
has made dozens more.

Actually, some of those are worse. The Blessed Margaret changed the
law on council bills that you are deemed to have received a bill if
the council has handed it over to a third party for delivery. There
is nothing to say that the council has to do it more than a day before
the deadline, or even has paid for delivery by any ANY fixed date.
You are therefore criminally liable, even if you can prove that you
never received the bill. Holy Tony has introduced a lot of similar
laws.

Forget your bin being stolen; you will be liable for other people
dumping inappropriate things in it. As everyone competent told the
Blessed Margaret, her laws would foster fly-tipping (and they did);
the new laws will merely extend that to the domestic arena. It is
obvious to the meanest intelligence that the way to reduce harmful
rubbish is primarily by reducing its production, and secondarily by
ensuring that it is easy to dispose of it properly.

But one of Whitehall's principles is that carrots should be reserved
for the overlords; the solution to recalcitran peasantry is more
overseers with larger sticks.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
(Charlie Pridham) wrote:

All they do is id the bin, so the weighing machine on the lorry knows
the weight of what is in it.

Perfectly reasonable thing to do if they were thinking of charging the
householder by weight :-)

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com
A useful bit of gardening software at http://www.netservs.com/garden/

"Steve Harris" wrote
In article ,
(Charlie Pridham) wrote:

All they do is id the bin, so the weighing machine on the lorry knows
the weight of what is in it.

Perfectly reasonable thing to do if they were thinking of charging the
householder by weight :-)

I believe that was what the S Norfolk council were trialling. They have
info on their site:
http://www.south-norfolk.gov.uk/environment/1919.asp

--
Sue

In message , Sue
writes

"Steve Harris" wrote
In article ,
(Charlie Pridham) wrote:

All they do is id the bin, so the weighing machine on the lorry knows
the weight of what is in it.

Perfectly reasonable thing to do if they were thinking of charging the
householder by weight :-)

I believe that was what the S Norfolk council were trialling. They have
info on their site:
Yes it is. That is why I asked.
--
June Hughes