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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:49:18 +0000, Pam Cook wrote
(in article ): hi, new to the group...I have a problem that I hope u can help me with plz.....We have a pond, natural, no liner or anything, I have planted daffodills all round it but the wild ducks have brought a plant that is choking them,, it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... It is spreading like fury,, even tho' hubby dug it up last year...originally they were individual plants, but now they are just continual....Is there anything I can use to get rid of them that won't harm other plants or the hundreds of fish that breed in the pond...or..frogs or frogspawn etc.??? I am at a loss as to what to do..... Thanks, Pam Pam, welcome to the group although you have joined it at an all-time low in its history. However, please don't be put off but just try to avoid the flak if you can :-) I have a pond too, but I can't identify your plant from the description, although someone else may instantly recognise it. Is it possible to take a photo and put it on a web site somewhere so we can all look at it? There are plenty of free photo-hosting places around. Also, is it growing in particularly boggy patches? -- Sally in Shropshire, UK |
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On 18/3/07 10:26, in article ,
"Pam Cook" wrote: "Sally Thompson" wrote in message al.net... snip I have a pond too, but I can't identify your plant from the description, although someone else may instantly recognise it. Is it possible to take a photo and put it on a web site somewhere so we can all look at it? There plenty of free photo-hosting places around. Also, is it growing in particularly boggy patches? -- Sally, Thank you for replying....I will ask my son to take a picture of the plant, Someone said it was sedge????? It is about 18 inches high and does grow in the boggy ground right at the edge of the pond...I have just seen the frogspawn, earlier than last year...The roots of the plant are very dense and you cannot pull it up..flaming nuisance..Wild ducks trash the pond every year around this time, and bring all sorts of un-welcome plants.....the stalks of the plant are round and very sharp at the end (I got poked in the eye by one last year...ouch !) Hope this helps some-one identify it and come up with a solution.... Hello, Pam. Can I suggest you try a Google image search on wild pond plants or something of that sort? Inevitably, you'll get some that don't apply to UK but it might help you. If you take a picture, that will help but this group doesn't take binaries so you'll need to put it up on a web site somewhere for everyone to look at. I wonder if your plant could be a Carex of some sort? Some of those are known as sedges. There's one called Carex muskingumensis* which might just fit that description. Getting rid of it is another matter altogether - I can't help there. ;-( -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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Sally Thompson writes
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:49:18 +0000, Pam Cook wrote (in article ): hi, new to the group...I have a problem that I hope u can help me with plz.....We have a pond, natural, no liner or anything, I have planted daffodills all round it but the wild ducks have brought a plant that is choking them,, it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... It is spreading like fury,, even tho' hubby dug it up last year...originally they were individual plants, but now they are just continual....Is there anything I can use to get rid of them that won't harm other plants or the hundreds of fish that breed in the pond...or..frogs or frogspawn etc.??? I am at a loss as to what to do..... Thanks, Pam Pam, welcome to the group although you have joined it at an all-time low in its history. However, please don't be put off but just try to avoid the flak if you can :-) I have a pond too, but I can't identify your plant from the description, although someone else may instantly recognise it. Is it possible to take a photo and put it on a web site somewhere so we can all look at it? There are plenty of free photo-hosting places around. Also, is it growing in particularly boggy patches? It sounds like one of the rushes or sedges. I'm assuming it's growing in the ground around the pond rather than in the pond itself, so there are two questions: a) has the area got wetter over recent years, thus allowing this thing to flourish? In which case, it may be becoming too wet for the daffs, so it may be a lost cause. b) if not, then would applying something like glyphosate to individual plants have any ill effects on the amphibian life? -- Kay |
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it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... Although I have a book giving the wild flower key by Dr Francis Rose (revised and expanded 2nd edition), the info you give is insufficient to identify the plant accurately but I believe it to of the allium family. How to get rid of it? Keep cutting it down to ground level and/or keep digging! Lionel |
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Lionel writes
it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... Although I have a book giving the wild flower key by Dr Francis Rose (revised and expanded 2nd edition), the info you give is insufficient to identify the plant accurately but I believe it to of the allium family. Pam's later comment .the stalks of the plant are round and very sharp at the end (I got poked in the eye by one last year...ouch !) would rule out alliums. Rose doesn't cover grasses, sedges and rushes, does it? -- Kay |
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writes Sally Thompson writes On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:49:18 +0000, Pam Cook wrote (in article ): hi, new to the group...I have a problem that I hope u can help me with plz.....We have a pond, natural, no liner or anything, I have planted daffodills all round it but the wild ducks have brought a plant that is choking them,, it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... It is spreading like fury,, even tho' hubby dug it up last year...originally they were individual plants, but now they are just continual....Is there anything I can use to get rid of them that won't harm other plants or the hundreds of fish that breed in the pond...or..frogs or frogspawn etc.??? I am at a loss as to what to do..... Thanks, Pam Pam, welcome to the group although you have joined it at an all-time low in its history. However, please don't be put off but just try to avoid the flak if you can :-) I have a pond too, but I can't identify your plant from the description, although someone else may instantly recognise it. Is it possible to take a photo and put it on a web site somewhere so we can all look at it? There are plenty of free photo-hosting places around. Also, is it growing in particularly boggy patches? It sounds like one of the rushes or sedges. I'm assuming it's growing in the ground around the pond rather than in the pond itself, so there are two questions: I'd plump for Juncus conglomeratus, which on glancing in Keble-Martin seems quite distinctive. It's also quite a common plant. a) has the area got wetter over recent years, thus allowing this thing to flourish? In which case, it may be becoming too wet for the daffs, so it may be a lost cause. b) if not, then would applying something like glyphosate to individual plants have any ill effects on the amphibian life? The surfactants in glyphosate formulations are said to be toxic to amphibians. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"K" wrote in message ... Rose doesn't cover grasses, sedges and rushes, does it? -- Kay Welcome again - plz would adjust your date ! Sorry to interrupt. Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
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On 18 Mar, 12:12, "Pam Cook" wrote:
"K" wrote in message ... Sally Thompson writes On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:49:18 +0000, Pam Cook wrote (in article ): hi, new to the group...I have a problem that I hope u can help me with plz.....We have a pond, natural, no liner or anything, I have planted daffodills all round it but the wild ducks have brought a plant that is choking them,, it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... It is spreading like fury,, even tho' hubby dug it up last year...originally they were individual plants, but now they are just continual....Is there anything I can use to get rid of them that won't harm other plants or the hundreds of fish that breed in the pond...or..frogs or frogspawn etc.??? I am at a loss as to what to do..... Thanks, Pam It sounds like one of the rushes or sedges. I'm assuming it's growing in the ground around the pond rather than in the pond itself, so there are two questions: a) has the area got wetter over recent years, thus allowing this thing to flourish? In which case, it may be becoming too wet for the daffs, so it may be a lost cause. b) if not, then would applying something like glyphosate to individual plants have any ill effects on the amphibian life? Hi Kay, about 3 years ago 3 or 4 of these plants just appeared, not a problem at first, narrow at the bottom and fanning out, they grew slowly on the ground at the side of the pond and looked quite arractive, then last year hubby tidied up the edges of the pond and dug out all he could of them, as they were spreading too much....but they appeared again and now they are coninuously growing round about a third of the pond, the daffs are thriving where these plants aren't...but haven't come up at all where these plants are...Will put photos up as soon as my son comes home.... Thank-you all for the comments and suggestions....Very helpful group. Pam Have a look at this link, could be what you have. http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/orga...weed.php?id=65 David Hill Abacus Nurseries |
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"K" wrote in message ... Sally Thompson writes On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:49:18 +0000, Pam Cook wrote (in article ): It sounds like one of the rushes or sedges. I'm assuming it's growing in the ground around the pond rather than in the pond itself, so there are two questions: a) has the area got wetter over recent years, thus allowing this thing to flourish? In which case, it may be becoming too wet for the daffs, so it may be a lost cause. b) if not, then would applying something like glyphosate to individual plants have any ill effects on the amphibian life? -- Kay Its probably the sort of sedge you get in damp meadow land, regular cutting is the only thing you can do but if its growing, I would be surprised if your daffs will last for long as it sounds as if the ground may be too wet for them. I don't think Glysophate is good near water courses as its lethal to most creatures in the water. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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"Lionel" lionel wrote in message ... it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... Although I have a book giving the wild flower key by Dr Francis Rose (revised and expanded 2nd edition), the info you give is insufficient to identify the plant accurately but I believe it to of the allium family. How to get rid of it? Keep cutting it down to ground level and/or keep digging! Lionel Should have thought the smell (or absence of smell) would suggest it is not Allium, but there are lots of wild plants to chose from some are even quite pretty like cotton grass. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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Pete Stockdale writes
"K" wrote in message ... Rose doesn't cover grasses, sedges and rushes, does it? Welcome again - plz would adjust your date ! Certainly - what would you like me to adjust it to? -- Kay |
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"K" wrote in message ... Certainly - what would you like me to adjust it to? Not addressed to you -my request was to the O.P. --Pam Sorry to confuse ! Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:13:36 +0000, Pete Stockdale wrote
(in article ): "K" wrote in message ... Certainly - what would you like me to adjust it to? Not addressed to you -my request was to the O.P. --Pam Sorry to confuse ! Ah, now I understand! The OP's post is dated tomorrow at 08.49 :-) -- Sally in Shropshire, UK |
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"Pam Cook" wrote new to the group...I have a problem that I hope u can help me with plz.....We have a pond, natural, no liner or anything, I have planted daffodills all round it but the wild ducks have brought a plant that is choking them,, it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... It is spreading like fury,, even tho' hubby dug it up last year...originally they were individual plants, but now they are just continual....Is there anything I can use to get rid of them that won't harm other plants or the hundreds of fish that breed in the pond...or..frogs or frogspawn etc.??? I am at a loss as to what to do..... Welcome to URG, sounds like a rush/sedge and probably the Compact Rush (Juncus conglomeratus). You should not even think of using any weedkillers near water so I'm afraid it's just a case of digging out where possible and cutting back constantly where it's not to stop it seeding around. Sorry, there is no easy cure, except that I've heard it likes acid conditions so perhaps a check on the pH and if below 7 some correction of the pH to 7+ may help but I don't know for certain that it would. -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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Hi,
It may be only 18 inches high at present but give it chance The brown balls are the seed heads. Do not know what type of sedge it is, This link gives the nearest I can find so far, http://www.bioimages.org.uk/HTML/P3/P39318.php Although the flower heads are more rounded than elongated. It is spread by birds in their droppings as well as other means. It will grow in the pond if you let it, that will contain it. except for seed dispersal. In one of my ponds, it has colonised a corner, on trying to remove it, we had several disestablished, and unhappy newts, who had burrowed into the roots and nested, need less to say wifey returned it to the water.... Hope this is of some use. regards Cineman Its root system is quite vigorous and when it gets into containers, as it will, it is difficult to pull up. Keep pulling it out when it is still quite small and its easier to control. A l;arge clump will have to dug out, only way Im afraid. "Pam Cook" wrote in message ... "Sally Thompson" wrote in message al.net... On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:49:18 +0000, Pam Cook wrote (in article ): hi, new to the group...I have a problem that I hope u can help me with plz.....We have a pond, natural, no liner or anything, I have planted daffodills all round it but the wild ducks have brought a plant that is choking them,, it is a tall grass like plant with spikey stalks and little brown balls that grow part way up the stem.... It is spreading like fury,, even tho' hubby dug it up last year...originally they were individual plants, but now they are just continual....Is there anything I can use to get rid of them that won't harm other plants or the hundreds of fish that breed in the pond...or..frogs or frogspawn etc.??? I am at a loss as to what to do..... Thanks, Pam Pam, welcome to the group although you have joined it at an all-time low in its history. However, please don't be put off but just try to avoid the flak if you can :-) I have a pond too, but I can't identify your plant from the description, although someone else may instantly recognise it. Is it possible to take a photo and put it on a web site somewhere so we can all look at it? There plenty of free photo-hosting places around. Also, is it growing in particularly boggy patches? -- Sally, Thank you for replying....I will ask my son to take a picture of the plant, Someone said it was sedge????? It is about 18 inches high and does grow in the boggy ground right at the edge of the pond...I have just seen the frogspawn, earlier than last year...The roots of the plant are very dense and you cannot pull it up..flaming nuisance..Wild ducks trash the pond every year around this time, and bring all sorts of un-welcome plants.....the stalks of the plant are round and very sharp at the end (I got poked in the eye by one last year...ouch !) Hope this helps some-one identify it and come up with a solution.... Pam |
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