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says...
On 27/3/08 08:35, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

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says...
On 26/3/08 18:12, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

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says...
On 26/3/08 13:27, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:
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That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.

Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this
year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down
in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it
seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so
different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent.

Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe
seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis
during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse
even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid
low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by
100 and still not have enough

Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people
and find none of heard of it.
Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is
now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too.



Yes its always asked for we never have to "sell" it!

Posh lot down there. ;-)



I think there are just more of them around so people see it and want it,
Clematis connata is even better but difficult to source but as its
equally large I have not got the space for another monster! I just love
the scent from these in the Autumn on the right day we can smell it from
about 10 yards or more
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On 27/3/08 09:44, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 27/3/08 08:35, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 18:12, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 13:27, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:
snip

That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary
clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.

Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this
year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track
down
in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because
it
seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's
so
different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent.

Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe
seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis
during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse
even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid
low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by
100 and still not have enough

Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people
and find none of heard of it.
Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is
now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too.



Yes its always asked for we never have to "sell" it!

Posh lot down there. ;-)



I think there are just more of them around so people see it and want it,
Clematis connata is even better but difficult to source but as its
equally large I have not got the space for another monster! I just love
the scent from these in the Autumn on the right day we can smell it from
about 10 yards or more

Grooooaaaan! Have you got one for sale, Charlie? If so, I've got to have
it now, blastit!


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 27/3/08 10:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:34:45 +0000, Sacha wrote:


Don't they mean safely?

I can't second guess them, Martin. While I think a lot of this EU stuff is
irritatingly silly, I think some is an excuse to be sloppy or lazy, too. I
am NOT citing this as an example BTW. That said, I refuse to believe that
driving e.g. 60 miles is in any way dangerous for a bus driver operating
under sensible circumstances. I just wish we allowed for a degree of common
sense to be in operation, too!

It seems reasonable to limit the number of hours a driver can drive without a
break and for drivers to have 2 days rest a week like most of the rest of
the
population. Most coach disasters result from drivers driving excess hours. I
notice that long distance buses on UK motorways are often travelling over the
speed limit. I find it reasonable to fit a tachygraph to a public transport
bus.

But this is applying also to small, local services, most or many of which
won't ever see a motorway. If I can drive e.g. Two hours to Chepstow and
back again in one day, as I shall do tomorrow, I really do not believe a bus
driver is at risk any more than I am. Two days off is fine if both driver
and company agree to it but in this instance, we're not talking about long
distance lorry drivers hauling huge loads. We're talking about small local
buses whose passengers have to get on and off in rain, wind, sleet and snow,
lugging shopping, babies and pushchairs each time. It's on a par with taxing
*everyone* who owns a 4x4 without taking into account that there are two
tiers of ownership - country livers that need them and town dwellers that
don't. The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland
to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to
Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
says...
On 27/3/08 09:44, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 27/3/08 08:35, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 18:12, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 13:27, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:
snip

That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary
clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.

Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this
year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track
down
in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because
it
seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's
so
different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent.

Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe
seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis
during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse
even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid
low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce by
100 and still not have enough

Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several people
and find none of heard of it.
Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and is
now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too.


I have seed sown and if I get a germination will bear you in mind!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On 27/3/08 13:18, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 27/3/08 09:44, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 27/3/08 08:35, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 18:12, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 13:27, in article
,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:
snip

That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary
clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green
thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.

Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana
this
year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track
down
in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because
it
seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as
it's
so
different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent.

Its easy enough from seed but only if you remember to collect the ripe
seed in the autumn! both the seed and cuttings are prone to botrytis
during winter so I try and keep mine on the dry side of the greenhouse
even so I lose about 50% and of course its not 100% hardy so can be laid
low by a sharp frost. All in all I could multiply the number I produce
by
100 and still not have enough

Do people ask for it much with you? I've recommended it to several
people
and find none of heard of it.
Yes, Ray grew ours from seed from the one on the front of our house and
is
now going to try C. nepalensis at the appropriate time, too.


I have seed sown and if I get a germination will bear you in mind!

Many thanks.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Judith in France wrote:
On Mar 26, 11:06 am, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote:
[]

Like the trees Emery, have you got any pics of your garden?


Hi Judith,

I have lots of recent pictures but none online; and most of them are
only of botanical
interest anyway. The only online ones are from over 10 years ago --
before I started
collecting maples and doing a lot with the larger garden -- from when we
were letting
the house for holidays. They are at
www.adelka.com/normandy/grounds.html but as
I say horribly out of date.

I won't be seeing you in the Tabac/Bar then before 8a.m.with a little
poodle under one arm, a paper under the other and a glass of
Calvados? :-)


Na, that was the other fella!

-E

On 27/3/08 14:32, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:
snip
The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they
want to work.

It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week.

I don't think anybody's arguing about that.
This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article
"Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles
part way through their journey because of EU rules.

Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in
one go.

Passengers on some routes must get on and off their bus, sometimes twice, to
prevent bus operators from prosecution.

Operators in Cornwall have condemned the new rule brought in last April as
"idiotic" and have called for Whitehall to step in.

Western Greyhound, based in Newquay, has been forced to split its Newquay to
Plymouth service into three sections.

Although one driver is used throughout the trip, passengers have to buy
three tickets and break their journey twice."
http://tinyurl.com/2x6a49
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
Sacha writes:
| On 27/3/08 14:32, in article ,
| "Martin" wrote:
|
| The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they
| want to work.
|
| It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week.
|
| I don't think anybody's arguing about that.
| This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article
| "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles
| part way through their journey because of EU rules.
|
| Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in
| one go.

And people are pointing out that article is telling porkies. 'Tain't so.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 27/3/08 16:49, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On 27 Mar 2008 16:16:32 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:


In article ,
Sacha writes:
| On 27/3/08 14:32, in article ,
| "Martin" wrote:
|
| The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if
they
| want to work.
|
| It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week.
|
| I don't think anybody's arguing about that.
| This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole
article
| "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles
| part way through their journey because of EU rules.
|
| Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in
| one go.

And people are pointing out that article is telling porkies. 'Tain't so.

It is truly amazing that bus companies are still repeating this EU myth, 9
years
after Neil Kinnock tried to put it to rest. Maybe nobody believed him. )

http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pr.../myth10_en.htm
Euromyth: Driven crazy by barmy bus driver Brussels ruling
snip

I'll forward that to the local paper and see if they take it up. BTW
Martin, I've emailed you with a request to translate something for me from
Dutch into English. It's a friend of Ray's who's died recently and while we
can get most of it, there are a few vital words we'd liketo understand! If
you didn't get it, can you email me or tell me here? Many thanks.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 27/3/08 17:18, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:06:58 +0000, Sacha wrote:

On 27/3/08 16:49, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On 27 Mar 2008 16:16:32 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:


In article ,
Sacha writes:
| On 27/3/08 14:32, in article ,
| "Martin" wrote:
|
| The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree
if
they
| want to work.
|
| It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week.
|
| I don't think anybody's arguing about that.
| This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole
article
| "Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles
| part way through their journey because of EU rules.
|
| Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles
in
| one go.

And people are pointing out that article is telling porkies. 'Tain't so.

It is truly amazing that bus companies are still repeating this EU myth, 9
years
after Neil Kinnock tried to put it to rest. Maybe nobody believed him. )

http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pr.../myth10_en.htm
Euromyth: Driven crazy by barmy bus driver Brussels ruling
snip

I'll forward that to the local paper and see if they take it up. BTW
Martin, I've emailed you with a request to translate something for me from
Dutch into English. It's a friend of Ray's who's died recently and while we
can get most of it, there are a few vital words we'd liketo understand! If
you didn't get it, can you email me or tell me here? Many thanks.

Orange thought you were a spammer. I have answered your e-mail.

I've got it and thank you - flowers have been ordered. Myzen thought you
were a spammer, too but your email did get through! Thanks so much for
that.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Sacha writes
On 27/3/08 14:32, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:
snip
The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they
want to work.

It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week.

I don't think anybody's arguing about that.
This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article
"Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles
part way through their journey because of EU rules.

Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in
one go.

This is incorrect. The legislation does not forbid bus drivers from
travelling more than 30 miles'

The EU rules lay down rest breaks and require tachographs. However, to
make life easier, they have exempted vehicles travelling less than 50km
(31 miles) in one go. So what may be happening is that bus companies are
cutting route lengths in order to avoid having to monitor drivers' hours
and ensure rest breaks.

The EU legislation can be found at
http://tinyurl.com/2jqzfo
--
Kay

In message , Sacha
writes
On 27/3/08 14:32, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:
snip
The reason there is legislation is that workers are obliged to agree if they
want to work.

It's 2008 not 1908 everybody is entitled to a rest of two days a week.

I don't think anybody's arguing about that.
This is a quote from the article and below is the link to the whole article
"Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles
part way through their journey because of EU rules.

Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in
one go.

Passengers on some routes must get on and off their bus, sometimes twice, to
prevent bus operators from prosecution.

Operators in Cornwall have condemned the new rule brought in last April as
"idiotic" and have called for Whitehall to step in.

Western Greyhound, based in Newquay, has been forced to split its Newquay to
Plymouth service into three sections.

Although one driver is used throughout the trip, passengers have to buy
three tickets and break their journey twice."
http://tinyurl.com/2x6a49

Either the driver is taking the required breaks, in which case what is
gained by requiring the passengers to disembark, and to buy three
tickets, or the driver is not taking the required breaks (on the
argument that he is not driving a single service, and therefore doesn't
have to take the breaks?), in which case at least the spirit of the law
is being broken.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Sacha writes
On 27/3/08 10:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

But this is applying also to small, local services, most or many of which
won't ever see a motorway. If I can drive e.g. Two hours to Chepstow and
back again in one day, as I shall do tomorrow, I really do not believe a bus
driver is at risk any more than I am.

Isn't that what the new regs are doing? Suggesting that a bus driver
should drive 2 hours to Chepstow, then have a break before driving 2 hrs
back again?

Snip

We're talking about small local
buses whose passengers have to get on and off in rain, wind, sleet and snow,
lugging shopping, babies and pushchairs each time.

If my bus driver is concentrating on driving along narrow country lanes
in rain, sleet and snow, I would prefer him/her not to keep going for 3
or 4 hours without a break.

Snip

The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland
to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to
Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours!

But they could be very similar to a bus driver going from Exeter to
Truro and back again, then having half an hour break for lunch and then
repeating the whole thing over again.

--
Kay

In article ,
K writes:
| Sacha writes
|
| The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland
| to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to
| Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours!
|
| But they could be very similar to a bus driver going from Exeter to
| Truro and back again, then having half an hour break for lunch and then
| repeating the whole thing over again.

Or one who was expected to do the double trip twice in a day, with
no break for lunch.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 27/3/08 19:30, in article , "K"
wrote:

Sacha writes
On 27/3/08 10:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

But this is applying also to small, local services, most or many of which
won't ever see a motorway. If I can drive e.g. Two hours to Chepstow and
back again in one day, as I shall do tomorrow, I really do not believe a bus
driver is at risk any more than I am.

Isn't that what the new regs are doing? Suggesting that a bus driver
should drive 2 hours to Chepstow, then have a break before driving 2 hrs
back again?

Snip

We're talking about small local
buses whose passengers have to get on and off in rain, wind, sleet and snow,
lugging shopping, babies and pushchairs each time.

If my bus driver is concentrating on driving along narrow country lanes
in rain, sleet and snow, I would prefer him/her not to keep going for 3
or 4 hours without a break.

Snip

The requirements for a long-distance coach driver going from Holland
to Scotland cannot possibly be the same as a bus driver going from Exeter to
Truro which is 87 miles and takes about two hours!

But they could be very similar to a bus driver going from Exeter to
Truro and back again, then having half an hour break for lunch and then
repeating the whole thing over again.

I think the post from Martin re the Neil Kinnock letter clears this up. Now
I'll be interested to see if our local paper and bus services pick up on it.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'