Did I mis-hear this? It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4 weeks.
Autumnwatch is moving to 8.30. This is NOT a good omen for GW, it
seems to me. I think Toby & co. are doing their real best and all know
their stuff. But something isn't right in the direction the programme
is taking. Oh dear.
It makes me feel that the linchpins of GW are struggling against the
odds of the big splashy visits that the producers think will pull in
viewers. None of their gardening feels real any more. It's such a
shame but I do hope this move to 10.30 (10.30!!) doesn't mark the
beginning of the end. I fear it does.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On 23 Oct, 23:11, Sacha wrote:
Did I mis-hear this? *It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4 weeks. *
Autumnwatch is moving to 8.30. *This is NOT a good omen for GW, it
seems to me. *I think Toby & co. are doing their real best and all know
their stuff. *But something isn't right in the direction the programme
is taking. *Oh dear.
It makes me feel that the linchpins of GW are struggling against the
odds of the big splashy visits that the producers think will pull in
viewers. *None of their gardening feels real any more. *It's such a
shame but I do hope this move to 10.30 (10.30!!) doesn't mark the
beginning of the end. *I fear it does.
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

I think that this "Team" are the worst thing to happen to GW, the
sooner they are dispersed and that farce of a garden is got rid off
the better for the Prog.
The way they have thrown monney at the garden has made it so detached
from what the viewer can afford is a discrace
David Hill.

"Dave Hill" wrote in message
...
On 23 Oct, 23:11, Sacha wrote:
Did I mis-hear this? It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4 weeks.
Autumnwatch is moving to 8.30. This is NOT a good omen for GW, it
seems to me. I think Toby & co. are doing their real best and all know
their stuff. But something isn't right in the direction the programme
is taking. Oh dear.
It makes me feel that the linchpins of GW are struggling against the
odds of the big splashy visits that the producers think will pull in
viewers. None of their gardening feels real any more. It's such a
shame but I do hope this move to 10.30 (10.30!!) doesn't mark the
beginning of the end. I fear it does.
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

I think that this "Team" are the worst thing to happen to GW, the
sooner they are dispersed and that farce of a garden is got rid off
the better for the Prog.
The way they have thrown monney at the garden has made it so detached
from what the viewer can afford is a discrace
David Hill.

.................................................. .....................

as for Sascha's worry about it moving for four weeks, as I understand it
they will only be repeats or highlights and as the programme/series was so
bad, who cares if it is shifted to 3.30 in the morning?

--
Mike

The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rneba.org.uk
Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight?
www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk

On 2009-10-24 10:03:54 +0100, Dave Hill said:

On 23 Oct, 23:11, Sacha wrote:
Did I mis-hear this? *It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4 weeks.
*
Autumnwatch is moving to 8.30. *This is NOT a good omen for GW, it
seems to me. *I think Toby & co. are doing their real best and all know
their stuff. *But something isn't right in the direction the programme
is taking. *Oh dear.
It makes me feel that the linchpins of GW are struggling against the
odds of the big splashy visits that the producers think will pull in
viewers. *None of their gardening feels real any more. *It's such a
shame but I do hope this move to 10.30 (10.30!!) doesn't mark the
beginning of the end. *I fear it does.
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

I think that this "Team" are the worst thing to happen to GW, the
sooner they are dispersed and that farce of a garden is got rid off
the better for the Prog.
The way they have thrown monney at the garden has made it so detached
from what the viewer can afford is a discrace
David Hill.

The trouble is that we just don't really know whose fault all this is.
The presenters are undoubtedly knowledgeable gardeners but having so
many of them makes the whole thing rather 'choppy' - there's no
concentration on anything for more than a minute, or so it feels. But
is this a directive from on high at the BBC about making gardening
'trendy', or is it the director's idea - or what? Last night's wander
off to two enormous gardens with several skilled gardeners made me
think of the irritation of the Chelsea coverage. Instead of
concentrating on the job in hand, they go all pc and take us off to see
people growing chilis in old welly boots or something. If they want a
programme on allotments or the great gardens of Britain, heaven knows
there are enough of those to make an entire series, interviewing owners
or Curators and Head Gardeners about their work and the development of
the gardens. It could be fascinating. But shoving such things into a
teaching programme like GW is just annoying, IMO. Those thousands of
tulips made even me get horticultural indigestion and I love tulips.
All I know is that just when we get hopeful about an improvement, it
seems to take two steps back again. I agree about throwing money at
the garden and feel this is part of the 'trendy' thing. Most people
who garden, do so either alone, or as a pair and on a low budget,
especially nowadays. If they're aiming the programme at those who
*can* afford to spend big bucks, my guess is that those aren't the
people who will watch GW anyway.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-10-24 10:03:54 +0100, Dave Hill
said:

On 23 Oct, 23:11, Sacha wrote:
Did I mis-hear this? It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4 weeks.

Autumnwatch is moving to 8.30. This is NOT a good omen for GW, it
seems to me. I think Toby & co. are doing their real best and all know
their stuff. But something isn't right in the direction the programme
is taking. Oh dear.
It makes me feel that the linchpins of GW are struggling against the
odds of the big splashy visits that the producers think will pull in
viewers. None of their gardening feels real any more. It's such a
shame but I do hope this move to 10.30 (10.30!!) doesn't mark the
beginning of the end. I fear it does.
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

I think that this "Team" are the worst thing to happen to GW, the
sooner they are dispersed and that farce of a garden is got rid off
the better for the Prog.
The way they have thrown monney at the garden has made it so detached
from what the viewer can afford is a discrace
David Hill.

The trouble is that we just don't really know whose fault all this is.
The presenters are undoubtedly knowledgeable gardeners but having so many
of them makes the whole thing rather 'choppy' - there's no concentration
on anything for more than a minute, or so it feels. But is this a
directive from on high at the BBC about making gardening 'trendy', or is
it the director's idea - or what? Last night's wander off to two enormous
gardens with several skilled gardeners made me think of the irritation of
the Chelsea coverage. Instead of concentrating on the job in hand, they
go all pc and take us off to see people growing chilis in old welly boots
or something. If they want a programme on allotments or the great gardens
of Britain, heaven knows there are enough of those to make an entire
series, interviewing owners or Curators and Head Gardeners about their
work and the development of the gardens. It could be fascinating. But
shoving such things into a teaching programme like GW is just annoying,
IMO. Those thousands of tulips made even me get horticultural indigestion
and I love tulips.
All I know is that just when we get hopeful about an improvement, it seems
to take two steps back again. I agree about throwing money at the garden
and feel this is part of the 'trendy' thing. Most people who garden, do
so either alone, or as a pair and on a low budget, especially nowadays.
If they're aiming the programme at those who *can* afford to spend big
bucks, my guess is that those aren't the people who will watch GW anyway.

--
Sacha


Why watch it if it is so bad?

I don't like football and think it is just 22 men kicking a bag of wind
about, but I would NEVER dream of watching a game and then moan about it!!!

--
Mike

The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rneba.org.uk
Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight?
www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk

It's apparently down to complaints from Autumn watch viewers that it's on too late, so if all the GW viewers complain about it being on too late.............................

The trouble is that we just don't really know whose fault all this is.
The presenters are undoubtedly knowledgeable gardeners but having so many
of them makes the whole thing rather 'choppy' - there's no concentration
on anything for more than a minute, or so it feels. But is this a
directive from on high at the BBC about making gardening 'trendy', or is
it the director's idea - or what? Last night's wander off to two enormous
gardens with several skilled gardeners made me think of the irritation of
the Chelsea coverage. Instead of concentrating on the job in hand, they
go all pc and take us off to see people growing chilis in old welly boots
or something. If they want a programme on allotments or the great
gardens of Britain, heaven knows there are enough of those to make an
entire series, interviewing owners or Curators and Head Gardeners about
their work and the development of the gardens. It could be fascinating.
But shoving such things into a teaching programme like GW is just
annoying, IMO. Those thousands of tulips made even me get horticultural
indigestion and I love tulips.
All I know is that just when we get hopeful about an improvement, it
seems to take two steps back again. I agree about throwing money at the
garden and feel this is part of the 'trendy' thing. Most people who
garden, do so either alone, or as a pair and on a low budget, especially
nowadays. If they're aiming the programme at those who *can* afford to
spend big bucks, my guess is that those aren't the people who will watch
GW anyway.

--
Sacha


Why watch it if it is so bad?

I don't like football and think it is just 22 men kicking a bag of wind
about, but I would NEVER dream of watching a game and then moan about
it!!!

--
Mike

Again, you miss the point......... if you loved football, was passionate
about it and looked forward to see your weekly first class match on TV,
would you not feel aggrieved if it was presented in a second-rate
disappointing way...... such as, say, frequent and lengthy close-ups of the
crowd, or missed goals, or even mid-game interviews with cranky naval
electricians who's only sporting knowledge might be underwater amp-volt-ohm
juggling.
Do you really not see the point raised by Sacha and the others who all want
to see their hobby/interest shown.... but want it shown in a first-class
interesting way.

On 2009-10-24 11:50:44 +0100, Jennifer Sparkes said:

The message
from "'Mike'" contains these words:

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-10-24 10:03:54 +0100, Dave Hill
said:

On 23 Oct, 23:11, Sacha wrote:
Did I mis-hear this? It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4 weeks.



The trouble is that we just don't really know whose fault all this is.
The presenters are undoubtedly knowledgeable gardeners ...

Big snip

Why watch it if it is so bad?

I don't like football and think it is just 22 men kicking a bag of wind
about, but I would NEVER dream of watching a game and then moan about it!!!

Mike, I think that is a bit different, ie you don't like football but
the people
moaning about GW do like and are interested in gardening.

Jennifer

One can hardly compare watching a game one doesn't like, to making
constructive cricisms about a teaching programme about something one
does like!

--
Sacha

"vsop" wrote in message
...


The trouble is that we just don't really know whose fault all this is.
The presenters are undoubtedly knowledgeable gardeners but having so
many of them makes the whole thing rather 'choppy' - there's no
concentration on anything for more than a minute, or so it feels. But
is this a directive from on high at the BBC about making gardening
'trendy', or is it the director's idea - or what? Last night's wander
off to two enormous gardens with several skilled gardeners made me think
of the irritation of the Chelsea coverage. Instead of concentrating on
the job in hand, they go all pc and take us off to see people growing
chilis in old welly boots or something. If they want a programme on
allotments or the great gardens of Britain, heaven knows there are
enough of those to make an entire series, interviewing owners or
Curators and Head Gardeners about their work and the development of the
gardens. It could be fascinating. But shoving such things into a
teaching programme like GW is just annoying, IMO. Those thousands of
tulips made even me get horticultural indigestion and I love tulips.
All I know is that just when we get hopeful about an improvement, it
seems to take two steps back again. I agree about throwing money at the
garden and feel this is part of the 'trendy' thing. Most people who
garden, do so either alone, or as a pair and on a low budget, especially
nowadays. If they're aiming the programme at those who *can* afford to
spend big bucks, my guess is that those aren't the people who will watch
GW anyway.

--
Sacha


Why watch it if it is so bad?

I don't like football and think it is just 22 men kicking a bag of wind
about, but I would NEVER dream of watching a game and then moan about
it!!!

--
Mike

Again, you miss the point......... if you loved football, was passionate
about it and looked forward to see your weekly first class match on TV,
would you not feel aggrieved if it was presented in a second-rate
disappointing way...... such as, say, frequent and lengthy close-ups of
the crowd, or missed goals, or even mid-game interviews with cranky naval
electricians who's only sporting knowledge might be underwater
amp-volt-ohm juggling.
Do you really not see the point raised by Sacha and the others who all
want to see their hobby/interest shown.... but want it shown in a
first-class interesting way.




Things in this world are for ever changing. Everything is changing all the
time. Live with it and like the change or switch off.

My father in his younger days was a Motor Mechanic involved with Brands
Hatch racing before the War. I was interested in racing, until the races
were won on tactics in the pits as to whether it was a one stop or a two
stop race etc etc.

I know where the off switch is on the TV

If you don't like the change which someone else has made, do your own TV
Gardening programme

--
Mike

The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rneba.org.uk
Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight?
www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk

On 2009-10-24 11:59:33 +0100, "vsop" said:



The trouble is that we just don't really know whose fault all this is.
The presenters are undoubtedly knowledgeable gardeners but having so
many of them makes the whole thing rather 'choppy' - there's no
concentration on anything for more than a minute, or so it feels. snip

Sacha


Why watch it if it is so bad?

I don't like football and think it is just 22 men kicking a bag of wind
about, but I would NEVER dream of watching a game and then moan about
it!!!

--
Mike

Again, you miss the point......... if you loved football, was
passionate about it and looked forward to see your weekly first class
match on TV, would you not feel aggrieved if it was presented in a
second-rate disappointing way...... such as, say, frequent and lengthy
close-ups of the crowd, or missed goals, or even mid-game interviews
with cranky naval electricians who's only sporting knowledge might be
underwater amp-volt-ohm juggling.
Do you really not see the point raised by Sacha and the others who all
want to see their hobby/interest shown.... but want it shown in a
first-class interesting way.



Bingo! ;-) We're seeing more and more young families coming here to
start on a garden or renovate one. They need really good, clear,
straightforward information and help. We'll do all we can to help but
we're not in their living rooms every Friday evening!
--
Sacha

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-10-24 11:50:44 +0100, Jennifer Sparkes
said:

The message
from "'Mike'" contains these words:

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-10-24 10:03:54 +0100, Dave Hill
said:

On 23 Oct, 23:11, Sacha wrote:
Did I mis-hear this? It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4 weeks.



The trouble is that we just don't really know whose fault all this is.
The presenters are undoubtedly knowledgeable gardeners ...

Big snip

Why watch it if it is so bad?

I don't like football and think it is just 22 men kicking a bag of wind
about, but I would NEVER dream of watching a game and then moan about
it!!!

Mike, I think that is a bit different, ie you don't like football but
the people
moaning about GW do like and are interested in gardening.

Jennifer

One can hardly compare watching a game one doesn't like, to making
constructive cricisms about a teaching programme about something one does
like!

--
Sacha


Fair comment, so as you have the facilities and you know all the people,
start a Gardening Programme to your liking. Chris Denham of Chris Denham
Production who does the Rick Stein Programmes on TV is in your neck of the
woods. Contact him. Give him my regards when you do. He has my father's 1936
Rover open tourer

--
Mike

The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rneba.org.uk
Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight?
www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk

On Oct 24, 11:50*am, Jennifer Sparkes wrote:

Big snip

Why watch it if it is so bad?
I don't like football and think it is just 22 men kicking a bag of wind
about, but I would NEVER dream of watching a game and then moan about it!!!

Mike, I think that is a bit different, ie you don't like football but
the people
moaning about GW do like and are interested in gardening.

Please don't kick Mike - he's only a bag of wind!

On 2009-10-24 11:34:27 +0100, Granity
said:


'Sacha[_4_ Wrote:
;867777']Did I mis-hear this? It's being moved to 10.30 for the next 4
weeks.
Autumnwatch is moving to 8.30. This is NOT a good omen for GW, it
seems to me. I think Toby & co. are doing their real best and all know

their stuff. But something isn't right in the direction the programme

is taking. Oh dear.
It makes me feel that the linchpins of GW are struggling against the
odds of the big splashy visits that the producers think will pull in
viewers. None of their gardening feels real any more. It's such a
shame but I do hope this move to 10.30 (10.30!!) doesn't mark the
beginning of the end. I fear it does.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

It's apparently down to complaints from Autumn watch viewers that it's
on too late, so if all the GW viewers complain about it being on too
late.............................

To be honest, I have much more sympathy with Autumnwatch viewers which
are more likely to include children.
--
Sacha