In article ,
says...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz

You got nicked because you will pay up without making a fuss, the scrote
will probably have a social worker and probation officer and will know
how to play the system causing no end of work for plod. You will simply
pay up and put it down to experience.

Janet wrote in news:MPG.2930be945276600798abf2
@news.eternal-september.org:

In article ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.

Don't talk nonsense.

Janet

You pop up every now and then to give your view on things, and that is
good.
Are you telling me and the group that I am wrong in saying that a sign
saying "Beware of the Dog" is lawful? or unlawful, because I beleive it to
be unlawful, and so does the law of the UK. I don't agree with the policy
but it stands.
I am certain that you will contest this because that's you and I would not
like it any other way.

Baz

prb wrote in
m:

In article ,
says...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost)
some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer
and heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way
in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or
out unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek
to protect my property.

Baz

You got nicked because you will pay up without making a fuss, the
scrote will probably have a social worker and probation officer and
will know how to play the system causing no end of work for plod. You
will simply pay up and put it down to experience.


NO I will not pay up. Never. Thats the point, I consider myself innocent.

Baz

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:17:36 GMT, Baz wrote:

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz


Sorry for maybe picking the wrong point to jump in to this exchange
but only a court can issue an ASBO. Frankly, if the circumstances are
as described, no magistrates court would issue one in this case. You
might get another penalty for causing injury but NOT an ASBO.

OTOH, as any responsible citizen will know, we are not allowed to
defend our territory. An Englilsh man's home is open season to
everyone.(Here in Wales it's different) If you have a garden pond and
a child gets into your garden and drowns in it, you are responsible
because you didn't take all reasonable (which means all) steps to
prevent the child getting in in the first place. So the child climbed
over a 6 foot high wall!!!!!????? Sorry!

I'm not sure how Baz laid out his barbed wire trap. But maybe a letter
to David Cameron Esq, c/o 10 Downing Street would help. Ask Mr C (who
has gone on at length about restoring our right to defend our
property) how he would react in given situation.

But Baz. Didn't you place that barbed wire there because you were
concerned about the number of cats who were attacking the birds in
your garden and you wanted to protect the birds? Your garden is
clearly secured against all reasonable human incursions so you had no
reason to think that any human would get caught up in the barbed wire.

Cheers, Jake
==========================================
Proud to be a member of the Taffy Trio
along with Dave and Bill, especially as
the East End, where I'm at, is the drier one

In article , Baz
writes
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage I can
find, as tempting as it is.


Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all?
--
Janet Tweedy

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:07:36 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote:

The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No
damage I
can find, as tempting as it is.

Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all?

Or trampled some grass or other valuable cro^H^H^Hplant.

How about leaving behind a biohazard? Drops of blood, you can catch
all manner of nasties from anothers blood.

Trespass is a bit weird there is no offence provided the trespasser
leaves when asked.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message , Baz
writes
"MuddyMike" wrote in
newscSdnSb4450xAFvTnZ2dnUVZ7oCdnZ2d@brightview. com:


"Baz" wrote in message
...
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost)
some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer
and heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way
in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or
out unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek
to protect my property.

Baz


I have put up barbed wire to stop little scrotes flattening the mesh I
put along the top of a wall to stop the dog escaping. It has never
occurred to me that I may be in trouble if said scrotes hurt
themselves on it. To be honest although it is along a back wall mostly
out of sight I hate seeing it there but had no choice.


Mike, a word of caution,
Keep your barbed wire, but be aware that you could get yourself a criminal
record if a perp injures him/herself whilst potentially harming you or your
property after entering your premises. I hope it never happens to you.


Barbed wire along the top of a fence/wall etc. is fine - it's likely to
be clear to anyone trying to climb over - though probably wise to keep
it up high enough to avoid accidental contact. Signs might be a wise if
in doubt (like the ones you see for anti climb paint etc.)

You fell foul of putting something out deliberately to catch someone who
would be otherwise unawares. It might be that suitable visible signs at
the entrance to the property might have been sufficient to avoid the
problem with the FPN.

And they would not necessarily be intending to do a criminal act -
trespass itself isn't a criminal offence. And someone may come into your
garden for entirely innocent reasons -say a dog escaped and got into
your garden. They might come into retrieve it when no one was about.

If you have a suitable wall etc. they go over, anti climb/vandal paint
can work well. As it causes them some grief with paint on hands clothes
etc.
--
Chris French

In message ,
Janet writes
In article ,
says...

NO I will not pay up. Never. Thats the point, I consider myself
innocent.


Failure to pay up a Fixed Penalty can result in arrest, and a higher
fine.

It strikes me that he ought to speaking to a lawyer, or at least to his
son.

Janet


--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"Baz" wrote in message
...
prb wrote in
m:

In article ,
says...

We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost)
some security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These
reccommendations were given to us from the police and we have bought
the products and installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden
as a shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer
and heaven knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way
in MY garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or
out unless your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an
ASBO for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least
thought they knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek
to protect my property.

Baz

You got nicked because you will pay up without making a fuss, the
scrote will probably have a social worker and probation officer and
will know how to play the system causing no end of work for plod. You
will simply pay up and put it down to experience.


NO I will not pay up. Never. Thats the point, I consider myself innocent.


And so do I. I would refuse to pay the fixed penalty, and insist on going to
court. Make sure you let the plod know that you consider their actions
outrageous and unacceptable, especially if they are taking no action against
the intruder. They will almost certainly get the wobbles, and settle for
sending you a "don't do it again" letter. Attack is always the best form of
defence.

It may also be possible to get an injunction against the scrote to keep him
off your property in future.

Of course IANAL, and uk legal may be of more help to you.

Steve

On 18/11/2011 11:17, Baz wrote:
We have had some intrusions in the past and have done (at a cost) some
security measures such as PrikaStrip and GuardCam. These reccommendations
were given to us from the police and we have bought the products and
installed them.

All of that has not stopped a certain indivdual from using our garden as a
shortcut to his parents house when he has had a taste of beer and heaven
knows what else.

Thinking I was within the law I put a bit of barbed wire in his way in MY
garden betweem the Prika Striped fences. There is no way in or out unless
your intentions are criminal.

He got a bit entangled, snagged his body and clothing, and I have an ASBO
for my efforts. He rang his parents and they knew or at least thought they
knew where he was.

The GuardCam worked against me in this case because I had the cheek to
protect my property.

Baz



Oh, that's awful, Baz! I'm so sorry to hear that. Protecting your own
property and interests these days seems to be fraught with problems.

Can you plant a prickly rose against that fence so that you have some
protection? Provided you keep it trimmed at the top (which will make it
denser ;~)), I don't see how the police can object.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.

Don't talk nonsense.

Janet

I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I
were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal
admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the
dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not
as many as I used to see in the UK though.

--
David in Normandy.
To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.

David in Normandy wrote in
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On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the
UK.

Don't talk nonsense.

Janet

I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I
were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a
legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by
the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there,
not as many as I used to see in the UK though.


I see.
I have gotten the wrong end of the stick, as it were. Ruff ruff.

Seriously I do tend not to read things properly, not an excuse, but I do
work hard at it.

So Janet, I was talking nonsense.
My apologies.

Baz

On 11/19/2011 03:04 PM, David in Normandy wrote:
On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in the UK.

Don't talk nonsense.

Janet

I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if I
were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a legal
admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten by the
dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and there, not
as many as I used to see in the UK though.


? Since you're liable whether you have a sign or not, I'm afraid that
doesn't hold much water, sorry David.

However not to worry if your dog bites someone! Liability insurance
is obligatory in France, and is your home insurance policy covers
anything that happens on your property. If you instruct your dog to
attack someone I imagine you'd be done for GBH though.

-E

Janet Tweedy wrote in
:

In article , Baz
writes
The trespasser has not committed a crime, strange but true. No damage
I can find, as tempting as it is.


Could you claim he's blunted the tips of the barbed wire at all?

Very droll. But amusing.

Baz

Emery Davis wrote in
:

On 11/19/2011 03:04 PM, David in Normandy wrote:
On 18/11/2011 20:13, Janet wrote:
In ,
says...

Things have moved on since then. For the worse.
We are no longer allowed to put up a sign "Beware of the Dog" in
the UK.

Don't talk nonsense.

Janet

I don't know if this applies in the UK, but I read somewhere that if
I were to put up a "Beware of the Dog" sign here in France, it is a
legal admission of my liability if someone subsequently gets bitten
by the dog! Saying that there are still such signs around here and
there, not as many as I used to see in the UK though.


? Since you're liable whether you have a sign or not, I'm afraid that
doesn't hold much water, sorry David.

However not to worry if your dog bites someone! Liability insurance
is obligatory in France, and is your home insurance policy covers
anything that happens on your property. If you instruct your dog to
attack someone I imagine you'd be done for GBH though.

-E
Well, it seems to me that this forum has to be included within this
discussion

http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/120561.html

Don't forget that the topic was about human interference not canine.

Baz