"martin" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:44:19 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Liz" wrote in message
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Sacha wrote in message
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in article , Franz Heymann at
wrote on 27/8/03 3:48 pm:


"stoneysteve" wrote in
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s.com...
Hi,

My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W
HAaogen
Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me
should
I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to
plant
a
bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can
you
suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this
purpose.


I would suggest a silvered screen of some sort which will reflect the
light
*back* into his eyes, house, garden, bedroom etc. and THEN plant the
hedge.
--
Clever, but the sophisticate would suggest a concave mirror.
Archimedes?
Ships? Syracuse? Anybody?

On the contrary, that would not have the desired effect. The recipient
would see nothing if the he/she stood outside the focussed beam, and the
lamp does not produce enough radiant energy to allow a focussed beam to
set
fire to the neighbour.
{:-))

It depends on the optics of the mirror and it's alignment with the
sun. It was stray light guv. 'onest.
:-)

we were talking about reflecting his lamplight, not the sunlight. {:-((

I once visited an Indian village where the women were preparing alfresco
meals by using sunlight focussed via a 1m diameter concave mirrors on to the
pots. The number of burnt hands were legion.

Franz

--
Martin

stoneysteve wrote in
s.com:

The spot in question is along the west fence in a south facing garden.
There is no other planting in the area. I'm not sure what the soil is
like as it is a new development(lots of rubble I'd guess)


In that case you might need to enrich the soil a bit before planting, to
ensure what you plant shoots up quickly to the right height. Suggest you
get a bag of well-rotted manure and dig it in all round that area before
you plant.

Is the light a problem all year round, or just on summer evenings?

If all year round, I think an evergreen honeysuckle on some sort of
structure would do the best job - maybe even a trellis mounted on top of
the fence? If it's a brand new garden, it's probably not all that huge,
and you don't want something too wide eating up your space because of one
annoying neighbour.

If it's on the West of the garden, you don't want it blocking out the
evening sun either.

I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions above.
****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a new
development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway. But if
you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have to
be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
--

In article . 11,
Victoria Clare writes:
|
| I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions above.
| ****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a new
| development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway. But if
| you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have to
| be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute.

I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you
sued, and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and
a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably
wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is
some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know
how moronic our Lords and Masters are.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:21 GMT, stoneysteve wrote:

My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen
Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should
I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a
bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you
suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this
purpose.

Ta

PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely
is not an option


After reading all the suggestions for revenge a la Leylandii and
revenge a la miroir, I wondered why you don't just follow your
neighbor's *excellent* example, instal your own "retina burner"
-- after all it's s-u-c-h a good idea! -- carefully sited to
shine in bedroom windows and such.

Dispute? What dispute?


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article . 11,
Victoria Clare writes:
|
| I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions
above.
| ****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a
new
| development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway.
But if
| you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have
to
| be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute.

I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you
sued,

Surely not! After all, you are genuinely simply throwing back over the
boundary unwanted photons belonging to him which he threw over the boundary
to you without asking you.

Franz

and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and
a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably
wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is
some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know
how moronic our Lords and Masters are.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
"Franz Heymann" writes:
|
| I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you
| sued,
|
| Surely not! After all, you are genuinely simply throwing back over the
| boundary unwanted photons belonging to him which he threw over the boundary
| to you without asking you.

You clearly aren't a lawyer. The courts MIGHT swallow that argument,
but you would first have to explain to the judge what a photon was,
and perhaps even the concept that light moves rather than just is.

It is far more likely that a court would decide on the basis of
whether installing a light or installing a reflector were a more
reasonable thing to do. God alone knows what one would decide.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Rodger Whitlock" wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:21 GMT, stoneysteve wrote:

My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen
Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me should
I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant a
bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you
suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this
purpose.

Ta

PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely
is not an option


After reading all the suggestions for revenge a la Leylandii and
revenge a la miroir, I wondered why you don't just follow your
neighbor's *excellent* example, instal your own "retina burner"
-- after all it's s-u-c-h a good idea! -- carefully sited to
shine in bedroom windows and such.

Dispute? What dispute?

Now why has nobody come up with this until now? And while you are about it,
you might as well look out for a more powerful lamp than your neighbour's.
This would seem to be a case where keeping up with the Joneses would be
laudable.

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
[...]
I once visited an Indian village where the women were preparing alfresco
meals by using sunlight focussed via a 1m diameter concave mirrors on to the
pots. The number of burnt hands were legion.

That's interesting: I'd heard about these projects, but never found
out how they worked out. OT, I know; but was it successful, in the
sense that they carried on doing it after the experimental period? I
heard that there was a problem in that people most needed energy for
cooking late in the day when there was little or no sun.

Mike.

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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[...]
I once visited an Indian village where the women were preparing alfresco
meals by using sunlight focussed via a 1m diameter concave mirrors on to
the
pots. The number of burnt hands were legion.

That's interesting: I'd heard about these projects, but never found
out how they worked out. OT, I know; but was it successful, in the
sense that they carried on doing it after the experimental period? I
heard that there was a problem in that people most needed energy for
cooking late in the day when there was little or no sun.

My colleagues at Poona told me that the project eventually had to be
abandoned, as it turned out to be simply too dangerous. And yes, you could
not prepare cooked food during the monsoon and in the evenings.

Franz

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article . 11,
Victoria Clare writes:
|
| I personally would ignore the 'reflector' and 'airgun' suggestions
above.
| ****ing off your neighbours, however infuriating, is a mug's game. On a
new
| development they may well decide to move on in a year or so anyway.
But if
| you might need to move first, you don't want *anything* that might have
to
| be reported to a prospective buyer as a dispute.

I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you
sued, and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and
a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably
wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is
some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know
how moronic our Lords and Masters are.


How could a reflector get you sued, its essentially no different to a
light?! IF the reflector is a nuisance then the light must be even more so.

--
Tumbleweed

Remove theobvious before replying (but no email reply necessary to
newsgroups)

In article ,
Tumbleweed wrote:

I definitely would! The reflector solution could well get you
sued, and the airgun one could well get you a prison term and
a criminal conviction that might not time out. It probably
wouldn't, being a very minor 'firearms' offence, but there is
some unbelievable knee-jerk legislation around and we all know
how moronic our Lords and Masters are.

How could a reflector get you sued, its essentially no different to a
light?! IF the reflector is a nuisance then the light must be even more so.

You are thinking rationally and not like a lawyer. One way that you
could lose such a case is if the court decided that the purpose of
the light was to deter burglars and the purpose of the reflector was
to annoy the owner of the light.

More generally, "passive" developments can be nuisances, even when
directed against a nuisance. You aren't allowed to build a dam to
block agricultural runoff from draining into a drainage ditch that
runs through your property, for example.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"Rodger Whitlock" wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:21 GMT, stoneysteve wrote:

My neighbour insists on switching on his "retina burner" (500W HAaogen
Light) every night which lights up my whole garden and blinds me
should
I look out my kitchen window after about 9 pm . I would like to plant
a
bushy tree about 8-9 feet high to partially block this out. Can you
suggest something tallish with dense foliage which might suit this
purpose.

Ta

PS He has previously refused to leave the light off so asking politely
is not an option


After reading all the suggestions for revenge a la Leylandii and
revenge a la miroir, I wondered why you don't just follow your
neighbor's *excellent* example, instal your own "retina burner"
-- after all it's s-u-c-h a good idea! -- carefully sited to
shine in bedroom windows and such.

Dispute? What dispute?

Now why has nobody come up with this until now? And while you are about
it,
you might as well look out for a more powerful lamp than your neighbour's.
This would seem to be a case where keeping up with the Joneses would be
laudable.

Franz

Brilliant idea