On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:21:16 +0000, (Larry
Stoter) wrote:

trufflesdad wrote:

I have just received a load of farm manure for my allotment...The farmer
told me if I wanted any more I must get it before 2004 as the EU were
regarding it as toxic waste and it would need a special licence to be
transported on the public highway...This licence would be specific to the
driver and as he employs casual labour he could not afford all the fees...
Wonder if anyone else has heard about this and if so what can be done
about it....

Several issues here ...

1. The "popular" press do make up stories to fill space and having a go
at the EU is a favorite fantasy space filler, usuallly with no
foundation in fact. Just because it is in the Sun or on Sky news, it's
not necessarily true or even vaguely related to reality.

2. A lot of EU originating legislation (and some UK legislation) is, for
practical purposes, irrelevant. Unless legislation provides for (and
funds) enforcement mechanisms, the legislation is a complete waste of
everbodies' time, unless the police are looking for a nicely obscure
piece of law to have a go at somebody who has upset them.

3. The British really should take a much more robust and commited
approach to the EU - like the French and Germans. If you don't like a
specifc EU law, ignore it. If the barristers who have taken over
goverment start to get difficult, 5 tonnes of fish guts or pig manure in
Whitehall will probably encourage them to reconsider :-))

and British trade organisations, like the British Ship Building
Federation should think twice before forcing things like the
Recreational Craft Directive on the rest of Europe and then blaming
the result on Brussels and the EU.
--
Martin

In article ,
"Bob Hobden" wrote:

Ted wrote
I have just received a load of farm manure for my allotment...The farmer
told me if I wanted any more I must get it before 2004 as the EU were
regarding it as toxic waste and it would need a special licence to be
transported on the public highway...This licence would be specific to the
driver and as he employs casual labour he could not afford all the fees...
Wonder if anyone else has heard about this and if so what can be done
about it....

I've already heard of a case of a pile of manure being removed from outside
an allotment site by the local Council because it was delivered on a Friday
and the gardeners intended to move it on Saturday, 24 hours later. They'll
be putting nappies on birds and insects next.

Yes of course. Because it is extremely likely that a local authority,
anywhere, would act on something like this within...well, let's see - a
working day, so call it 8 hours.

Yeah, right.


We should do what the French would do...nothing. Just ignore any rules that
they think don't apply to them, especially when it affects things they have
done for generations.

But the people we employ to run our country will see it as a golden
opportunity to obtain more money by the issue of licences, also an
opportunity for more control.

--

"I go online sometimes, but...everyone's spelling is really bad,
and...it's depressing"

"David Hill" wrote in message
...
"...........I must get it before 2004 as the EU were regarding it as
toxic
waste and it would need a special licence to be transported on the public
highway.............."

As I understand it this is already the case if the farmer is delivering it
as it is a waste product from his business ....if you collect it on the
other hand it is not considered "waste"

Who says manure is a waste product? Why can the farmer not claim that
producing manure is but one aspect of his business?

And if he gives it away free, that could be regarded as a promotional
exercise.

[snip]

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...

[snip]

and British trade organisations, like the British Ship Building
Federation should think twice before forcing things like the
Recreational Craft Directive on the rest of Europe and then blaming
the result on Brussels and the EU.

Please explain. What is the "Recreational Craft Directive"?

Franz

This is rather like the farce of the American ships
The salvage company
May recycle the materials/ships,
but may not dispose of the materials.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk
***2004 catalogue now available***

Larry Stoter wrote in message
...
trufflesdad wrote:

I have just received a load of farm manure for my allotment...The farmer
told me if I wanted any more I must get it before 2004 as the EU were
regarding it as toxic waste and it would need a special licence to be
transported on the public highway...This licence would be specific to the
driver and as he employs casual labour he could not afford all the
fees...
Wonder if anyone else has heard about this and if so what can be
done
about it....


Withdraw from the EU. Then we won't get stupid EU regulations,
and the rest of the stupid regulations will clearly be home-grown, so we can
hold our own politicians to account for them. It's
called accountability, and it's in extremely short supply with
the current EU/national govt set-up. If the new EU constitution
gets passed then accountability will disappear completely
for decades. Lack of accountability breeds revolutions.

Several issues here ...

1. The "popular" press do make up stories to fill space and having a go
at the EU is a favorite fantasy space filler, usuallly with no
foundation in fact. Just because it is in the Sun or on Sky news, it's
not necessarily true or even vaguely related to reality.


Er, just because it's a story that reflects badly on the EU, it
ain't necessarily _untrue_. Just start from Edith Cresson's
dentist, proceed through many years of EU accounts that
cannot be signed off by the auditors, and try to think why they appointed
megabrain Kinnock as the guy that could clean up
the EU commission. The corrupt EU political classes are
still laughing about it.

2. A lot of EU originating legislation (and some UK legislation) is, for
practical purposes, irrelevant. Unless legislation provides for (and
funds) enforcement mechanisms, the legislation is a complete waste of
everbodies' time, unless the police are looking for a nicely obscure
piece of law to have a go at somebody who has upset them.


Wrong. All these rarely-enforced laws are of great use to
state employees, in ensuring a suitable forelock-touching attitude amongst
the grinning peasants. If you're not polite
to a functionary when he's throwing his weight about, then he'll
find another 3 laws to stuff you with.

Rarely-enforced laws, in case you haven't noticed, also
create corruption. Bent local authority officials and politicised higher
civil servants do their master's
bidding, either if the master is their Labour boss or the guy with
the cash.

3. The British really should take a much more robust and commited
approach to the EU - like the French and Germans. If you don't like a
specifc EU law, ignore it.

You are a clown, aren't you? The difference is here that the
whole apparatus of the state will be used to enforce stupid laws.

If the barristers who have taken over
goverment start to get difficult, 5 tonnes of fish guts or pig manure in
Whitehall will probably encourage them to reconsider :-))


It ain't barristers as a class that are the problem, though
certian individuals who are creating this problem are
barristers. The problem is that 'the gentleman from Whitehall knows best'- a
long-established socialist attitude.

--
Anton

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:17:34 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:

This is rather like the farce of the American ships
The salvage company
May recycle the materials/ships,
but may not dispose of the materials.

except it was the Hartlepool local authority that first gave
permission and then withdrew it NOT Brussels.
--
Martin

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:17:34 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:

This is rather like the farce of the American ships
The salvage company
May recycle the materials/ships,
but may not dispose of the materials.

except it was the Hartlepool local authority that first gave
permission and then withdrew it NOT Brussels.
--
Martin

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:17:34 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:

This is rather like the farce of the American ships
The salvage company
May recycle the materials/ships,
but may not dispose of the materials.

except it was the Hartlepool local authority that first gave
permission and then withdrew it NOT Brussels.
--
Martin

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:23:16 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:


Larry Stoter wrote in message
...
trufflesdad wrote:

I have just received a load of farm manure for my allotment...The farmer
told me if I wanted any more I must get it before 2004 as the EU were
regarding it as toxic waste and it would need a special licence to be
transported on the public highway...This licence would be specific to the
driver and as he employs casual labour he could not afford all the
fees...
Wonder if anyone else has heard about this and if so what can be
done
about it....


Withdraw from the EU. Then we won't get stupid EU regulations,
and the rest of the stupid regulations will clearly be home-grown, so we can
hold our own politicians to account for them.

The mindless interpretation and enforcement of EU directives is a UK
problem.

It's
called accountability, and it's in extremely short supply with
the current EU/national govt set-up. If the new EU constitution
gets passed then accountability will disappear completely
for decades. Lack of accountability breeds revolutions.

Not in UK so far, despite hundreds of years of lack of accountability.
--
Martin

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:23:16 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:


Larry Stoter wrote in message
...
trufflesdad wrote:

I have just received a load of farm manure for my allotment...The farmer
told me if I wanted any more I must get it before 2004 as the EU were
regarding it as toxic waste and it would need a special licence to be
transported on the public highway...This licence would be specific to the
driver and as he employs casual labour he could not afford all the
fees...
Wonder if anyone else has heard about this and if so what can be
done
about it....


Withdraw from the EU. Then we won't get stupid EU regulations,
and the rest of the stupid regulations will clearly be home-grown, so we can
hold our own politicians to account for them.

The mindless interpretation and enforcement of EU directives is a UK
problem.

It's
called accountability, and it's in extremely short supply with
the current EU/national govt set-up. If the new EU constitution
gets passed then accountability will disappear completely
for decades. Lack of accountability breeds revolutions.

Not in UK so far, despite hundreds of years of lack of accountability.
--
Martin

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:23:16 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:


Larry Stoter wrote in message
...
trufflesdad wrote:

I have just received a load of farm manure for my allotment...The farmer
told me if I wanted any more I must get it before 2004 as the EU were
regarding it as toxic waste and it would need a special licence to be
transported on the public highway...This licence would be specific to the
driver and as he employs casual labour he could not afford all the
fees...
Wonder if anyone else has heard about this and if so what can be
done
about it....


Withdraw from the EU. Then we won't get stupid EU regulations,
and the rest of the stupid regulations will clearly be home-grown, so we can
hold our own politicians to account for them.

The mindless interpretation and enforcement of EU directives is a UK
problem.

It's
called accountability, and it's in extremely short supply with
the current EU/national govt set-up. If the new EU constitution
gets passed then accountability will disappear completely
for decades. Lack of accountability breeds revolutions.

Not in UK so far, despite hundreds of years of lack of accountability.
--
Martin

In article ,
martin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:23:16 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:

Withdraw from the EU. Then we won't get stupid EU regulations,
and the rest of the stupid regulations will clearly be home-grown, so we can
hold our own politicians to account for them.

The mindless interpretation and enforcement of EU directives is a UK
problem.

Those of us with long memories will remember that it was no different
before we joined the EU, but that fact is conveniently forgotten by
the Little Englanders.

It's
called accountability, and it's in extremely short supply with
the current EU/national govt set-up. If the new EU constitution
gets passed then accountability will disappear completely
for decades. Lack of accountability breeds revolutions.

Not in UK so far, despite hundreds of years of lack of accountability.

Hmm. As a Celt, I must dissent. Unfortunately, the revolutions were
all unsuccessful.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 29 Nov 2003 12:59:26 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:

In article ,
martin wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:23:16 +0000 (UTC), "anton"
wrote:

Withdraw from the EU. Then we won't get stupid EU regulations,
and the rest of the stupid regulations will clearly be home-grown, so we can
hold our own politicians to account for them.

The mindless interpretation and enforcement of EU directives is a UK
problem.

Those of us with long memories will remember that it was no different
before we joined the EU, but that fact is conveniently forgotten by
the Little Englanders.

It's
called accountability, and it's in extremely short supply with
the current EU/national govt set-up. If the new EU constitution
gets passed then accountability will disappear completely
for decades. Lack of accountability breeds revolutions.

Not in UK so far, despite hundreds of years of lack of accountability.

Hmm. As a Celt, I must dissent. Unfortunately, the revolutions were
all unsuccessful.

:-)

The Romans got kicked out...

The Danes got kicked out........

meanwhile in Brussels...

(Note that the Red Ensign already has an emblem displayed in the
corner of it's flag)

AM\512783EN.doc PE 331.374/2-3
EN Draft report (PE 331.374)
Bernard Poignant
on the proposal for a European Parliament and Council regulation on
the transfer of cargo and
passenger ships between registers within the Community
Proposal for a regulation (COM(2003) 478 – C5-0366/2003 –
2003/0180(COD))
Text proposed by the Commission Amendments by Parliament
Amendment by Josu Ortuondo Larrea
Amendment 2
Recital 8 a (new)
(8a) Ships sailing under the flag of a
Member State ought to be more easily
identifiable within and outside the
European Union.
Or. es
Justification

For improved identification, instead of creating a European register
ships registered in a Member State ought to display the emblem of the
European Union in a corner of their flags, much as Community vehicles
already do on their registration plates.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The good news is that there is little chance, that the above nonesense
will be accepted. It's quite poignant really
--
Martin

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:02:25 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote:

Snip
Anything to oblige, Rodger. There are numerous apocryphal tales of EU
regulations, like "henceforward, bananas must be straight not bent",
which are just that. Urban legend. I suspect the one-size condoms are,
er, a load of old codswallop.

Janet.
So THAT is why they are called cod-pieces!
John T


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