Thanks for all the ideas ......will now look them up for more info

Soil is definitely alkaline and spot the I need the tree for can get a
little wind blown at times

bnd7777/12/03 9:40

Thanks for all the ideas ......will now look them up for more info

Soil is definitely alkaline and spot the I need the tree for can get a
little wind blown at times

IME, Eucalyptus can keel over in the wind, even when beside a wall (I had
this in a previous, walled, garden) If there is a problem wind wind that
could affect the tree, you need to ask yourself how important it is to have
a tall tree. Is it to screen something else? Or is it to be an eye-drawing
feature to that part of your garden? If the former, the wind is always
going to be a problem, so you need to choose something sturdy and if the
latter, you can go for bushier but perhaps colourful, things.
--

Sacha
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bnd7777/12/03 9:40

Thanks for all the ideas ......will now look them up for more info

Soil is definitely alkaline and spot the I need the tree for can get a
little wind blown at times

IME, Eucalyptus can keel over in the wind, even when beside a wall (I had
this in a previous, walled, garden) If there is a problem wind wind that
could affect the tree, you need to ask yourself how important it is to have
a tall tree. Is it to screen something else? Or is it to be an eye-drawing
feature to that part of your garden? If the former, the wind is always
going to be a problem, so you need to choose something sturdy and if the
latter, you can go for bushier but perhaps colourful, things.
--

Sacha
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The message
from lid (Rodger Whitlock) contains
these words:

/snip/

Arbutus menziesii

I would have thought the soil was too dry, and not acid enough if the
conditions it likes are anything like A. unedus.

The silly thing grows by nature in extremely rocky sites that are
bone dry in summer. It's actually a fairly fast tree to mature --
big specimens aren't all that old, contrary to the bleatings of
some of the ignorescenti we have here.

Hmmm. Yes. (Which is why I included the 'if')

The main thing it wants is sharp drainage, and the OP seems to
have described such a garden to a T.

Thinks......

It's certainly worth consideration.

Yes. Having thought that here, I am on top of a ridge, the soil tends
towards sandy with some boulder clay, it ought to be a good place too -
but strangely, the drainage is very poor.

A neighbour was taking out a row of largish leylandii and the JCB
unearthed pure sand in places. However, a period of rain and half the
nearby houses have to have their septic tanks emptied.

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Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)

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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

/snip/

Even if a Euclyptus gets severely damaged by frost, provided it has been
established for several years, there is a very good chance that it will
shoot from the roots.

That is so. However, the OP specifically asked for " a tall evergreen tree
". If the Eucalyptus has to be continually regrown from the roots, it will
never become a tall tree.

Well, not very frequently....

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Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)

What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk
***2004 catalogue now available***

The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Janet Baraclough8/12/03 3:08

The message
from "David Hill" contains these
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What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Oooh! Who's been in the knife box?! ;-)
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Janet Baraclough8/12/03 3:08

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What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Or maybe Yewgene?
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bnd7777/12/03 9:40

Thanks for all the ideas ......will now look them up for more info

Soil is definitely alkaline and spot the I need the tree for can get a
little wind blown at times

IME, Eucalyptus can keel over in the wind, even when beside a wall (I had
this in a previous, walled, garden) If there is a problem wind wind that
could affect the tree, you need to ask yourself how important it is to
have
a tall tree. Is it to screen something else? Or is it to be an
eye-drawing
feature to that part of your garden? If the former, the wind is always
going to be a problem, so you need to choose something sturdy and if the
latter, you can go for bushier but perhaps colourful, things.
--

Sacha
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I want to block a view above a 2 metre fence and also to cast a lot of
shade
Currently theres a Lawsons Cypress in the spot but its over 20 yrs old and
leaning heavily with overweight branches for its height which is around
4metres

My experience with a mere 6 ft high Eucalyptus nearly causing subsidense on
my daughters house leans me to avoid them

bnd7778/12/03 6:20


"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
bnd7777/12/03 9:40

Thanks for all the ideas ......will now look them up for more info

Soil is definitely alkaline and spot the I need the tree for can get a
little wind blown at times

IME, Eucalyptus can keel over in the wind, even when beside a wall (I had
this in a previous, walled, garden) If there is a problem wind wind that
could affect the tree, you need to ask yourself how important it is to
have
a tall tree. Is it to screen something else? Or is it to be an
eye-drawing
feature to that part of your garden? If the former, the wind is always
going to be a problem, so you need to choose something sturdy and if the
latter, you can go for bushier but perhaps colourful, things.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

I want to block a view above a 2 metre fence and also to cast a lot of
shade
Currently theres a Lawsons Cypress in the spot but its over 20 yrs old and
leaning heavily with overweight branches for its height which is around
4metres

Interesting you mention this tree because my husband was telling me a story
about this just today. A (then) famous garden designer wanted to use them
at Dartington Hall and the gardener kicked up a fuss and nearly got the
sack. Reading upside down, he saw his letter of notice on the boss's table.
Before he could be handed the letter, he handed over an article on the
Lawson's Cypresss and his job was saved!
So, I would like to suggest two choices. Choose another tree out of all
those mentioned to you or perhaps, cut all the branches off the existing
tree so that it will not shoot again and grow climbers up it. Use it as a
frame, in fact. That won't last for ever because it will die back but in
terms of your occupancy of that house, will this be a possible solution?
You can use evergreen climbers, BTW.

However, given the problems inherent with old tree roots and the wall, I
would like to suggest a third possibility; cut the tree down and drill
holes in the stumps, filling them with Root Out or, if it's possible use a
stump grinder to reduce the roots to almost nothing. The latter is a better
and quicker solution but possibly more expensive. For one tree, it
shouldn't be ruinous.
Then, forget a new tree; build a triangular pergola (like a quarter or
three quarters of an umbrella's spokes) from the corner of the wall
outwards, up which you grow whichever climbers take your fancy, give you the
cover you want and scent and colour etc. The pergola could have cross beams
which are angled upwards a little to give you the height you want. Only you
can decide this.
As long as you drive the stakes deep enough and cement them in, you should
be able to go to the height you want. Anything you plant should then be
planted roughly 2' from the cement surround, to give it enough soil depth
and root run.
Please - don't be tempted to use those metal holders into which you place
uprights. I've had the whole lot snapped off at ground level during a
goodish wind, let alone a gale. And that was beside a wall, too.

My experience with a mere 6 ft high Eucalyptus nearly causing subsidense on
my daughters house leans me to avoid them

Yours is not a situation in which I can imagine suggesting that you plant a
Eucalyptus. They are beautiful trees but not beside a wall, IMO and IME.
In Turkey, I've seen them used to take moisture from the soil. This is not
always a good thing, especially as you're talking about a sharply drained,
dry soil to start with.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:08:24 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote:

The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

or "my old Dutch Elm", if it's really, really tall.
--
Martin

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:57:24 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Janet Baraclough8/12/03 3:08
@ zetnet.co.uk

The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Or maybe Yewgene?

Yewie Green?
--
Martin

".... What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Or maybe Yewgene?

Yewie Green? .........."

Not a Poplar name with us, must be a new branch of the family,

I'd have thought Conie fir a girl..
--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk
***2004 catalogue now available***

"....... I want to block a view above a 2 metre fence and also to cast a lot
of shade
Currently theres a Lawsons Cypress in the spot but its over 20 yrs old and
leaning heavily with overweight branches for its height which is around
4metres ..........."

So really you want a Small tree.
Have you thought of planting 2 or Eucalyptus, and instead of letting them
grow as trees coppicing them every few years in rotation. As you could get
up to around 6 ft in a season from coppiced Eucalyptus You could be cutting
out one clump every 2 years or so, and you would have some very handy Poles
from the job.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk
***2004 catalogue now available***