David Hill8/12/03 10:14

".... What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Or maybe Yewgene?

Yewie Green? .........."

Not a Poplar name with us, must be a new branch of the family,

I'd have thought Conie fir a girl..

Quite like Ellie Agnes, too. Or how about Clara Dendron and her cousin
Rhoda Dendron? Then there's their extremely unpleasant cousin, Sarkie
Cocca....what a name to conjure with! ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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".... What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Or maybe Yewgene?

Yewie Green? .........."

Not a Poplar name with us, must be a new branch of the family,

I'd have thought Conie fir a girl..

Quite like Ellie Agnes, too. Or how about Clara Dendron and her cousin
Rhoda Dendron? Then there's their extremely unpleasant cousin, Sarkie
Cocca....what a name to conjure with! ;-)
--
Sacha

But you do realise that you have moved to that well known family the Bushes.
There's the Irish side with Phil o' Delphus and Mel o' leuca as well as Ma
Honia, and the well known Women's Libber from the 60's Vi burnum, who were
cistus.
Then there were great cousins Myrtle and Ivy who got so entwined that we
just don't talk about them.
I'll stop, Hebe telling me that's enough.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk
***2004 catalogue now available***

Actually I dont mind how high the tree grows so long as its roots go
downwards not outwards
and it likes dry soil

Thanks Sacha for your idea but given the circumstances a "natural" screen of
just one tree is by far the best just needs to grow fairly fast and cast
plenty of shade !!!!

"Sacha" wrote in message
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bnd7778/12/03 6:20


"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
bnd7777/12/03 9:40

Thanks for all the ideas ......will now look them up for more info

Soil is definitely alkaline and spot the I need the tree for can get a
little wind blown at times

IME, Eucalyptus can keel over in the wind, even when beside a wall (I
had
this in a previous, walled, garden) If there is a problem wind wind
that
could affect the tree, you need to ask yourself how important it is to
have
a tall tree. Is it to screen something else? Or is it to be an
eye-drawing
feature to that part of your garden? If the former, the wind is always
going to be a problem, so you need to choose something sturdy and if
the
latter, you can go for bushier but perhaps colourful, things.
--

Sacha
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I want to block a view above a 2 metre fence and also to cast a lot of
shade
Currently theres a Lawsons Cypress in the spot but its over 20 yrs old
and
leaning heavily with overweight branches for its height which is around
4metres

Interesting you mention this tree because my husband was telling me a
story
about this just today. A (then) famous garden designer wanted to use them
at Dartington Hall and the gardener kicked up a fuss and nearly got the
sack. Reading upside down, he saw his letter of notice on the boss's
table.
Before he could be handed the letter, he handed over an article on the
Lawson's Cypresss and his job was saved!
So, I would like to suggest two choices. Choose another tree out of all
those mentioned to you or perhaps, cut all the branches off the existing
tree so that it will not shoot again and grow climbers up it. Use it as a
frame, in fact. That won't last for ever because it will die back but in
terms of your occupancy of that house, will this be a possible solution?
You can use evergreen climbers, BTW.

However, given the problems inherent with old tree roots and the wall, I
would like to suggest a third possibility; cut the tree down and drill
holes in the stumps, filling them with Root Out or, if it's possible use a
stump grinder to reduce the roots to almost nothing. The latter is a
better
and quicker solution but possibly more expensive. For one tree, it
shouldn't be ruinous.
Then, forget a new tree; build a triangular pergola (like a quarter or
three quarters of an umbrella's spokes) from the corner of the wall
outwards, up which you grow whichever climbers take your fancy, give you
the
cover you want and scent and colour etc. The pergola could have cross
beams
which are angled upwards a little to give you the height you want. Only
you
can decide this.
As long as you drive the stakes deep enough and cement them in, you should
be able to go to the height you want. Anything you plant should then be
planted roughly 2' from the cement surround, to give it enough soil depth
and root run.
Please - don't be tempted to use those metal holders into which you place
uprights. I've had the whole lot snapped off at ground level during a
goodish wind, let alone a gale. And that was beside a wall, too.

My experience with a mere 6 ft high Eucalyptus nearly causing subsidense
on
my daughters house leans me to avoid them

Yours is not a situation in which I can imagine suggesting that you plant
a
Eucalyptus. They are beautiful trees but not beside a wall, IMO and IME.
In Turkey, I've seen them used to take moisture from the soil. This is
not
always a good thing, especially as you're talking about a sharply
drained,
dry soil to start with.

The village where I was born was as in an area as close to a sandy desert as
it could be without actually being one. I never possessed a raincoat in the
first twelve years of my life.
The only trees which flourished there in large groves were eucalyptus,
poplar and pepper trees (the latter as street trees).

Franz

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:33:13 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

David Hill8/12/03 10:14
$3ci

".... What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Or maybe Yewgene?

Yewie Green? .........."

Not a Poplar name with us, must be a new branch of the family,

I'd have thought Conie fir a girl..

Quite like Ellie Agnes, too. Or how about Clara Dendron and her cousin
Rhoda Dendron? Then there's their extremely unpleasant cousin, Sarkie
Cocca....what a name to conjure with! ;-)

Don't forget Holly and Ivy.
--
Martin

David Hill8/12/03 11:37


".... What I want to know is.....What do you call a tall tree?

Edward, perhaps; or Penelope if it's a girl.

Janet.

Or maybe Yewgene?

Yewie Green? .........."

Not a Poplar name with us, must be a new branch of the family,

I'd have thought Conie fir a girl..

Quite like Ellie Agnes, too. Or how about Clara Dendron and her cousin
Rhoda Dendron? Then there's their extremely unpleasant cousin, Sarkie
Cocca....what a name to conjure with! ;-)
--
Sacha

But you do realise that you have moved to that well known family the Bushes.
There's the Irish side with Phil o' Delphus and Mel o' leuca as well as Ma
Honia, and the well known Women's Libber from the 60's Vi burnum, who were
cistus.
Then there were great cousins Myrtle and Ivy who got so entwined that we
just don't talk about them.
I'll stop, Hebe telling me that's enough.


I give up, David. I know when I'm bested! ;-)
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

bnd7778/12/03 11:57




Actually I dont mind how high the tree grows so long as its roots go
downwards not outwards
and it likes dry soil

Thanks Sacha for your idea but given the circumstances a "natural" screen of
just one tree is by far the best just needs to grow fairly fast and cast
plenty of shade !!!!


Ah well, it was just a thought!
--

Sacha
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"bnd777" wrote in
:




Actually I dont mind how high the tree grows so long as its roots go
downwards not outwards
and it likes dry soil

Thanks Sacha for your idea but given the circumstances a "natural"
screen of just one tree is by far the best just needs to grow fairly
fast and cast plenty of shade !!!!



I don't know a lot about eucalypts, but apart from their behaviour near
wall, I'm not sure they all make good shade trees.

The one I had in the garden of a rented house once cast surprisingly
little shade for its height. Vary variable plants, of course: maybe some
are shadier.

Victoria

Victoria Clare9/12/03 3:17

"bnd777" wrote in
:




Actually I dont mind how high the tree grows so long as its roots go
downwards not outwards
and it likes dry soil

Thanks Sacha for your idea but given the circumstances a "natural"
screen of just one tree is by far the best just needs to grow fairly
fast and cast plenty of shade !!!!



I don't know a lot about eucalypts, but apart from their behaviour near
wall, I'm not sure they all make good shade trees.

The one I had in the garden of a rented house once cast surprisingly
little shade for its height. Vary variable plants, of course: maybe some
are shadier.

Victoria

I wouldn't choose a Euc by a wall or for shade, no. Given the OP's desire
for fairly rapid growth etc. I wonder if a Mimosa would work? I think,
really, that only he can tell! As to rapid growth etc. - well, I suppose
most/many of us would require that if only Nature would oblige.
--

Sacha
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Build a sand pit!!
kenty

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
bnd7778/12/03 6:20


"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
bnd7777/12/03 9:40

Thanks for all the ideas ......will now look them up for more info

Soil is definitely alkaline and spot the I need the tree for can get a
little wind blown at times

IME, Eucalyptus can keel over in the wind, even when beside a wall (I
had
this in a previous, walled, garden) If there is a problem wind wind
that
could affect the tree, you need to ask yourself how important it is to
have
a tall tree. Is it to screen something else? Or is it to be an
eye-drawing
feature to that part of your garden? If the former, the wind is always
going to be a problem, so you need to choose something sturdy and if
the
latter, you can go for bushier but perhaps colourful, things.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

I want to block a view above a 2 metre fence and also to cast a lot of
shade
Currently theres a Lawsons Cypress in the spot but its over 20 yrs old
and
leaning heavily with overweight branches for its height which is around
4metres

Interesting you mention this tree because my husband was telling me a
story
about this just today. A (then) famous garden designer wanted to use them
at Dartington Hall and the gardener kicked up a fuss and nearly got the
sack. Reading upside down, he saw his letter of notice on the boss's
table.
Before he could be handed the letter, he handed over an article on the
Lawson's Cypresss and his job was saved!
So, I would like to suggest two choices. Choose another tree out of all
those mentioned to you or perhaps, cut all the branches off the existing
tree so that it will not shoot again and grow climbers up it. Use it as a
frame, in fact. That won't last for ever because it will die back but in
terms of your occupancy of that house, will this be a possible solution?
You can use evergreen climbers, BTW.

However, given the problems inherent with old tree roots and the wall, I
would like to suggest a third possibility; cut the tree down and drill
holes in the stumps, filling them with Root Out or, if it's possible use a
stump grinder to reduce the roots to almost nothing. The latter is a
better
and quicker solution but possibly more expensive. For one tree, it
shouldn't be ruinous.
Then, forget a new tree; build a triangular pergola (like a quarter or
three quarters of an umbrella's spokes) from the corner of the wall
outwards, up which you grow whichever climbers take your fancy, give you
the
cover you want and scent and colour etc. The pergola could have cross
beams
which are angled upwards a little to give you the height you want. Only
you
can decide this.
As long as you drive the stakes deep enough and cement them in, you should
be able to go to the height you want. Anything you plant should then be
planted roughly 2' from the cement surround, to give it enough soil depth
and root run.
Please - don't be tempted to use those metal holders into which you place
uprights. I've had the whole lot snapped off at ground level during a
goodish wind, let alone a gale. And that was beside a wall, too.

My experience with a mere 6 ft high Eucalyptus nearly causing subsidense
on
my daughters house leans me to avoid them

Yours is not a situation in which I can imagine suggesting that you plant
a
Eucalyptus. They are beautiful trees but not beside a wall, IMO and IME.
In Turkey, I've seen them used to take moisture from the soil. This is
not
always a good thing, especially as you're talking about a sharply
drained,
dry soil to start with.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the 'x' to email me)