"martin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:41:40 -0000, "Synaptic Flow"
wrote:


According to people I've talked to who have glaucoma & have had side
effects
it's mainly itchiness & slight swelling, but, it varies from person to
person & treatment to treatment. I would comment though that your
treatment
may need some review as it appears you have managed to not only snip my
intitial statement which stated "shouldn't be used as a complete
replacement"

Are you a doctor?

No. Do you work for a pharmecuetical company?


Why is any replacement necessary or even to be considered?

1 Not everybody has either a blind trust in pharmecutical company's, who
often produce drugs that treat an illness with hidden side effects or
produce an effective placebo that does little to promote well being but does
healthy profit margins.

2 Some people have the strange belief that a treatment derived from nature
may be less stressful on the body than a purely laboratory based product.

I can think of a few other reasons too, but I'm not willing to draw other
people's anger by prolonging the argument.


but also introduced a period which completely changes the
context of the sentence.


I am sorry, I snipped to leave the context. I commented on your
remark about side effects.

That may have been your intent, but effectively, you edited my initial
context to make me sound like someone who was advocating the use of herbal
treatment only, which is not the case.

I wouldn't recommend anything other than getting professional advice
from a doctor. There are a frightening number of people, who go blind
for no good reason in UK every year. Glaucoma is not a joke, nor is it
a thing to be treated by an amateur.

I'm not an amateur, in terms of medicine I know enopugh to keep myself
healthy & first aid training that hopefully would be of some use in an
emergency, however, I do not consider a doctor to necessarily be the best
commentary on what is best for my own health.

And before you ask, yes, I don't support vivisection, the only time I hugged
a tree is when I wrapped myself round one on a motorbike & yes, I do smoke
myself for no other reason than than it gives me some form of relief from
the pressures of work and parts of my life.

--
Martin

Regarding the treatment for Glaucoma I would advise all to look at this
Morfields site.... http://www.moorfields.co.uk/EyeHealth/Glaucoma
It explains about eye drops and surgery.
The first a lot of people know about the onset of Glaucoma is a blinding
pain behind the eyes. This is why when you have an eye test you also have
the pressure measured.

If you have any doubts regarding your eyes you can see your Doctor(If you're
lucky) or visit your local Ophthalmic optician who if he/she has any doubts
can refer you direct to your local Eye hospital or ophthalmic dept.
It's often a lot quicker to visit the optician than the doctor, and your
optician has a lot more training and experience with eyes than your GP has.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:01:27 +0100, martin wrote:

If you have glaucoma you should have medical treatment. It results in
blindness quite quickly, if left untreated.
--
I am!!!

Pam in Bristol

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:15:15 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I'm not at all up on this subject, Pam but isn't there an operation for
Glaucoma now?
Not all herbal treatments are good for us........side effects etc?

I would never rely on herbal things alone.

Yes there are ops for some types of glaucoma but I manage with drops.
My statement about growing it because of my glaucoma was just to
excuse the fact that I was growing it at all!!
Sorry I've gone off topic. My main concern ( gardening) is the
blasted red spider.
Thanks for the advice on both things and I'll look at those sites.
Actually I am having treatment for macular degeneration too which is
far more serious buo OT!

Pam in Bristol

Regarding the treatment for Glaucoma I would advise all to look at this
Morfields site.... http://www.moorfields.co.uk/EyeHealth/Glaucoma
It explains about eye drops and surgery.
The first a lot of people know about the onset of Glaucoma is a blinding
pain behind the eyes. This is why when you have an eye test you also have
the pressure measured.

If you have any doubts regarding your eyes you can see your Doctor(If you're
lucky) or visit your local Ophthalmic optician who if he/she has any doubts
can refer you direct to your local Eye hospital or ophthalmic dept.
It's often a lot quicker to visit the optician than the doctor, and your
optician has a lot more training and experience with eyes than your GP has.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:15:15 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I'm not at all up on this subject, Pam but isn't there an operation for
Glaucoma now?
Not all herbal treatments are good for us........side effects etc?

I would never rely on herbal things alone.

Yes there are ops for some types of glaucoma but I manage with drops.
My statement about growing it because of my glaucoma was just to
excuse the fact that I was growing it at all!!
Sorry I've gone off topic. My main concern ( gardening) is the
blasted red spider.
Thanks for the advice on both things and I'll look at those sites.
Actually I am having treatment for macular degeneration too which is
far more serious buo OT!

Pam in Bristol

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:35:45 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:

Regarding the treatment for Glaucoma I would advise all to look at this
Morfields site.... http://www.moorfields.co.uk/EyeHealth/Glaucoma
It explains about eye drops and surgery.
The first a lot of people know about the onset of Glaucoma is a blinding
pain behind the eyes.

All I had was a feeling of pressure in my eye.

This is why when you have an eye test you also have
the pressure measured.

If you have any doubts regarding your eyes you can see your Doctor(If you're
lucky) or visit your local Ophthalmic optician who if he/she has any doubts
can refer you direct to your local Eye hospital or ophthalmic dept.
It's often a lot quicker to visit the optician than the doctor, and your
optician has a lot more training and experience with eyes than your GP has.

That's good advice.
--
Martin

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:16:05 -0000, "Synaptic Flow"
wrote:


"martin" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:41:40 -0000, "Synaptic Flow"
wrote:


According to people I've talked to who have glaucoma & have had side
effects
it's mainly itchiness & slight swelling, but, it varies from person to
person & treatment to treatment. I would comment though that your
treatment
may need some review as it appears you have managed to not only snip my
intitial statement which stated "shouldn't be used as a complete
replacement"

Are you a doctor?

No. Do you work for a pharmecuetical company?

No, but I am prescribing pharmaceuticals either.
I have had glaucoma, the drops prescribed by a specialist did work and
they did not cause side effects.

My only recommendation for those with eye problems is to see a
specialist.



Why is any replacement necessary or even to be considered?

1 Not everybody has either a blind trust in pharmecutical company's, who
often produce drugs that treat an illness with hidden side effects or
produce an effective placebo that does little to promote well being but does
healthy profit margins.

I believe that an eye surgeon knows more about treating eye problems
than an amateur gardener. Call me naive if you want.


2 Some people have the strange belief that a treatment derived from nature
may be less stressful on the body than a purely laboratory based product.

and some people go blind as a result. In third world countries
millions of people go blind because they have strange beliefs.



I can think of a few other reasons too, but I'm not willing to draw other
people's anger by prolonging the argument.


but also introduced a period which completely changes the
context of the sentence.


I am sorry, I snipped to leave the context. I commented on your
remark about side effects.

That may have been your intent, but effectively, you edited my initial
context to make me sound like someone who was advocating the use of herbal
treatment only, which is not the case.

I wouldn't recommend anything other than getting professional advice
from a doctor. There are a frightening number of people, who go blind
for no good reason in UK every year. Glaucoma is not a joke, nor is it
a thing to be treated by an amateur.

I'm not an amateur, in terms of medicine I know enopugh to keep myself
healthy & first aid training that hopefully would be of some use in an
emergency, however, I do not consider a doctor to necessarily be the best
commentary on what is best for my own health.

There's probably some truth in that at GP level.



And before you ask, yes, I don't support vivisection, the only time I hugged
a tree is when I wrapped myself round one on a motorbike & yes, I do smoke
myself for no other reason than than it gives me some form of relief from
the pressures of work and parts of my life.

The probability is that it will do you harm in the long run, but I am
sure you know that.
--
Martin

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:28:42 +0000, Pam Moore
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:01:27 +0100, martin wrote:

If you have glaucoma you should have medical treatment. It results in
blindness quite quickly, if left untreated.
--
I am!!!

Good! :-)
--
Martin

'Pam',

I am really at a loss here and somewhat annoyed to say the least.

You started off the site by asking ' Where does the red spider mite
come from?' and nearly everyone who has contributed immediately took off
about glaucoma without apparently giving any thought to the fact that
you are a mature woman with access to all the medical science which is
at your disposal.

I would simply ask posters, and this is purely my strongly held personal
view, to read the heading and concentrate on the issue rather than
transgress, as in this case, into the realms of the ophthalmic world
where the world's leading specialists abound and to which Pam has
undoubted access.

Now, can anyone help to eradicate the red spider problem?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.





"Pam Moore" wrote in message
...
I have been caring for some seedlings of a plant I should not be
growing and it looks as though "someone up there" has decided I should
not grow them, even as a curiosity! (The substance is supposed to be
good for glaucoma which I have!!!)
They were looking OK before Christmas but when I came home after a
week away they looked a bit sad. I thought they were dry or cold or
both. Deterioration continued and then a maginfying glass showed me
it is red spider mite.
I have had this problem on other plants, but not for at least 3 years.
Where have they come from? None of the other plants nearby, in my
living room, are affected. They don't fly like carrot fly do they?

Pam in Bristol

" Emrys Davies" wrote .
'Pam',
I am really at a loss here and somewhat annoyed to say the least.
snip
Now, can anyone help to eradicate the red spider problem?
Regards, Emrys Davies.


I agree with you Emrys ! Going OT is OK so long as the thread splits and the
original post does not become lost.

I too have wondered where pests suddenly appear from - lily beetles for
instance. They seem to home in from miles away!

Back to red spider mite. I don't have a clue where they come from but the
following sites may throw some light on the subject:

http://www.hortnet.co.nz/publication...s/hf401024.htm
http://www.defenders.co.uk/red_spider_mite.htm

It seems they may de distributed by wind or that the eggs are already in the
soil of a plant brought into the G.H.

They seem to have originated in South America:
http://www.tropentag.de/abstract.php?code=Y3GpnVoI

HTH (but at least it back on topic!)
Jenny

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:34:09 +0100, "JennyC" wrote:


" Emrys Davies" wrote .
'Pam',
I am really at a loss here and somewhat annoyed to say the least.
snip
Now, can anyone help to eradicate the red spider problem?
Regards, Emrys Davies.


I agree with you Emrys ! Going OT is OK so long as the thread splits and the
original post does not become lost.

I too have wondered where pests suddenly appear from - lily beetles for
instance. They seem to home in from miles away!

Back to red spider mite. I don't have a clue where they come from but the
following sites may throw some light on the subject:

Plants bought in Dutch garden centres are full of bugs.
--
Martin

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:34:09 +0100, "JennyC" wrote:

I too have wondered where pests suddenly appear from - lily beetles for
instance. They seem to home in from miles away!

I remember hearing Bob Flowerdew say on GQT that carrot fly can home
in on the scent of carrots from up to 7 miles away. They fly. Surely
spider mite only crawl? If so where have they crawled from is the
mystery to me. As I said, I have not seen any on my plants for some
years and have not bought any new plants.
I must look at the recommended sites.
Thanks all!

Pam in Bristol

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:47:01 +0000, Pam Moore
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:34:09 +0100, "JennyC" wrote:

I too have wondered where pests suddenly appear from - lily beetles for
instance. They seem to home in from miles away!

I remember hearing Bob Flowerdew say on GQT that carrot fly can home
in on the scent of carrots from up to 7 miles away.

and when the surrounding fields are full of carrots, why do they pick
on our tiny plot of carrots?

They fly. Surely
spider mite only crawl? If so where have they crawled from is the
mystery to me. As I said, I have not seen any on my plants for some
years and have not bought any new plants.

I think the answer is blowing in the wind.
--
Martin

"JennyC" wrote in message
...

" Emrys Davies" wrote .
'Pam',
I am really at a loss here and somewhat annoyed to say the least.
snip
Now, can anyone help to eradicate the red spider problem?
Regards, Emrys Davies.


I agree with you Emrys ! Going OT is OK so long as the thread splits and
the
original post does not become lost.

I too have wondered where pests suddenly appear from - lily beetles for
instance. They seem to home in from miles away!

Back to red spider mite. I don't have a clue where they come from but the
following sites may throw some light on the subject:

Perhaps a stork brings the little baby red spider mites?

[snip]

Franz