On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:41:40 -0000, "Synaptic Flow"
wrote:


According to people I've talked to who have glaucoma & have had side effects
it's mainly itchiness & slight swelling, but, it varies from person to
person & treatment to treatment. I would comment though that your treatment
may need some review as it appears you have managed to not only snip my
intitial statement which stated "shouldn't be used as a complete
replacement"

Are you a doctor?

Why is any replacement necessary or even to be considered?

but also introduced a period which completely changes the
context of the sentence.


I am sorry, I snipped to leave the context. I commented on your
remark about side effects.

I wouldn't recommend anything other than getting professional advice
from a doctor. There are a frightening number of people, who go blind
for no good reason in UK every year. Glaucoma is not a joke, nor is it
a thing to be treated by an amateur.
--
Martin

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:15:15 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Pam Moore9/1/04 4:59


I have been caring for some seedlings of a plant I should not be
growing and it looks as though "someone up there" has decided I should
not grow them, even as a curiosity! (The substance is supposed to be
good for glaucoma which I have!!!)
snip

I'm not at all up on this subject, Pam but isn't there an operation for
Glaucoma now?

My father had surgery to fix it.

I had glaucoma caused by an allergic reaction to an antibiotic after I
had a cataract operation. In fact some people including me are
sensitive to the fluid that the antibiotic is in.
--
Martin

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:15:15 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Pam Moore9/1/04 4:59


I have been caring for some seedlings of a plant I should not be
growing and it looks as though "someone up there" has decided I should
not grow them, even as a curiosity! (The substance is supposed to be
good for glaucoma which I have!!!)
snip

I'm not at all up on this subject, Pam but isn't there an operation for
Glaucoma now?

My father had surgery to fix it.

I had glaucoma caused by an allergic reaction to an antibiotic after I
had a cataract operation. In fact some people including me are
sensitive to the fluid that the antibiotic is in.
--
Martin

I've got spider mites on mine too, although they're not red ones. I've just
bought some "predators" which I am told will get rid of them, from
www.defenders.co.uk

I only got them yesterday so I don't know if they're any good yet.

I've heard it's good for glaucoma but I wouldn't like to comment, I don't
really know anything about the illness. I know that it is exceptionally good
for MS but that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Andrew


"Pam Moore" wrote in message
...
I have been caring for some seedlings of a plant I should not be
growing and it looks as though "someone up there" has decided I should
not grow them, even as a curiosity! (The substance is supposed to be
good for glaucoma which I have!!!)
They were looking OK before Christmas but when I came home after a
week away they looked a bit sad. I thought they were dry or cold or
both. Deterioration continued and then a maginfying glass showed me
it is red spider mite.
I have had this problem on other plants, but not for at least 3 years.
Where have they come from? None of the other plants nearby, in my
living room, are affected. They don't fly like carrot fly do they?

Pam in Bristol

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:41:40 -0000, "Synaptic Flow"
wrote:


According to people I've talked to who have glaucoma & have had side
effects
it's mainly itchiness & slight swelling, but, it varies from person to
person & treatment to treatment. I would comment though that your
treatment
may need some review as it appears you have managed to not only snip my
intitial statement which stated "shouldn't be used as a complete
replacement"

Are you a doctor?

No. Do you work for a pharmecuetical company?


Why is any replacement necessary or even to be considered?

1 Not everybody has either a blind trust in pharmecutical company's, who
often produce drugs that treat an illness with hidden side effects or
produce an effective placebo that does little to promote well being but does
healthy profit margins.

2 Some people have the strange belief that a treatment derived from nature
may be less stressful on the body than a purely laboratory based product.

I can think of a few other reasons too, but I'm not willing to draw other
people's anger by prolonging the argument.


but also introduced a period which completely changes the
context of the sentence.


I am sorry, I snipped to leave the context. I commented on your
remark about side effects.

That may have been your intent, but effectively, you edited my initial
context to make me sound like someone who was advocating the use of herbal
treatment only, which is not the case.

I wouldn't recommend anything other than getting professional advice
from a doctor. There are a frightening number of people, who go blind
for no good reason in UK every year. Glaucoma is not a joke, nor is it
a thing to be treated by an amateur.

I'm not an amateur, in terms of medicine I know enopugh to keep myself
healthy & first aid training that hopefully would be of some use in an
emergency, however, I do not consider a doctor to necessarily be the best
commentary on what is best for my own health.

And before you ask, yes, I don't support vivisection, the only time I hugged
a tree is when I wrapped myself round one on a motorbike & yes, I do smoke
myself for no other reason than than it gives me some form of relief from
the pressures of work and parts of my life.

--
Martin

I've got spider mites on mine too, although they're not red ones. I've just
bought some "predators" which I am told will get rid of them, from
www.defenders.co.uk

I only got them yesterday so I don't know if they're any good yet.

I've heard it's good for glaucoma but I wouldn't like to comment, I don't
really know anything about the illness. I know that it is exceptionally good
for MS but that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Andrew


"Pam Moore" wrote in message
...
I have been caring for some seedlings of a plant I should not be
growing and it looks as though "someone up there" has decided I should
not grow them, even as a curiosity! (The substance is supposed to be
good for glaucoma which I have!!!)
They were looking OK before Christmas but when I came home after a
week away they looked a bit sad. I thought they were dry or cold or
both. Deterioration continued and then a maginfying glass showed me
it is red spider mite.
I have had this problem on other plants, but not for at least 3 years.
Where have they come from? None of the other plants nearby, in my
living room, are affected. They don't fly like carrot fly do they?

Pam in Bristol

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:41:40 -0000, "Synaptic Flow"
wrote:


According to people I've talked to who have glaucoma & have had side
effects
it's mainly itchiness & slight swelling, but, it varies from person to
person & treatment to treatment. I would comment though that your
treatment
may need some review as it appears you have managed to not only snip my
intitial statement which stated "shouldn't be used as a complete
replacement"

Are you a doctor?

No. Do you work for a pharmecuetical company?


Why is any replacement necessary or even to be considered?

1 Not everybody has either a blind trust in pharmecutical company's, who
often produce drugs that treat an illness with hidden side effects or
produce an effective placebo that does little to promote well being but does
healthy profit margins.

2 Some people have the strange belief that a treatment derived from nature
may be less stressful on the body than a purely laboratory based product.

I can think of a few other reasons too, but I'm not willing to draw other
people's anger by prolonging the argument.


but also introduced a period which completely changes the
context of the sentence.


I am sorry, I snipped to leave the context. I commented on your
remark about side effects.

That may have been your intent, but effectively, you edited my initial
context to make me sound like someone who was advocating the use of herbal
treatment only, which is not the case.

I wouldn't recommend anything other than getting professional advice
from a doctor. There are a frightening number of people, who go blind
for no good reason in UK every year. Glaucoma is not a joke, nor is it
a thing to be treated by an amateur.

I'm not an amateur, in terms of medicine I know enopugh to keep myself
healthy & first aid training that hopefully would be of some use in an
emergency, however, I do not consider a doctor to necessarily be the best
commentary on what is best for my own health.

And before you ask, yes, I don't support vivisection, the only time I hugged
a tree is when I wrapped myself round one on a motorbike & yes, I do smoke
myself for no other reason than than it gives me some form of relief from
the pressures of work and parts of my life.

--
Martin

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:01:27 +0100, martin wrote:

If you have glaucoma you should have medical treatment. It results in
blindness quite quickly, if left untreated.
--
I am!!!

Pam in Bristol

I've got spider mites on mine too, although they're not red ones. I've just
bought some "predators" which I am told will get rid of them, from
www.defenders.co.uk

I only got them yesterday so I don't know if they're any good yet.

I've heard it's good for glaucoma but I wouldn't like to comment, I don't
really know anything about the illness. I know that it is exceptionally good
for MS but that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Andrew


"Pam Moore" wrote in message
...
I have been caring for some seedlings of a plant I should not be
growing and it looks as though "someone up there" has decided I should
not grow them, even as a curiosity! (The substance is supposed to be
good for glaucoma which I have!!!)
They were looking OK before Christmas but when I came home after a
week away they looked a bit sad. I thought they were dry or cold or
both. Deterioration continued and then a maginfying glass showed me
it is red spider mite.
I have had this problem on other plants, but not for at least 3 years.
Where have they come from? None of the other plants nearby, in my
living room, are affected. They don't fly like carrot fly do they?

Pam in Bristol

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:01:27 +0100, martin wrote:

If you have glaucoma you should have medical treatment. It results in
blindness quite quickly, if left untreated.
--
I am!!!

Pam in Bristol

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:41:40 -0000, "Synaptic Flow"
wrote:


According to people I've talked to who have glaucoma & have had side
effects
it's mainly itchiness & slight swelling, but, it varies from person to
person & treatment to treatment. I would comment though that your
treatment
may need some review as it appears you have managed to not only snip my
intitial statement which stated "shouldn't be used as a complete
replacement"

Are you a doctor?

No. Do you work for a pharmecuetical company?


Why is any replacement necessary or even to be considered?

1 Not everybody has either a blind trust in pharmecutical company's, who
often produce drugs that treat an illness with hidden side effects or
produce an effective placebo that does little to promote well being but does
healthy profit margins.

2 Some people have the strange belief that a treatment derived from nature
may be less stressful on the body than a purely laboratory based product.

I can think of a few other reasons too, but I'm not willing to draw other
people's anger by prolonging the argument.


but also introduced a period which completely changes the
context of the sentence.


I am sorry, I snipped to leave the context. I commented on your
remark about side effects.

That may have been your intent, but effectively, you edited my initial
context to make me sound like someone who was advocating the use of herbal
treatment only, which is not the case.

I wouldn't recommend anything other than getting professional advice
from a doctor. There are a frightening number of people, who go blind
for no good reason in UK every year. Glaucoma is not a joke, nor is it
a thing to be treated by an amateur.

I'm not an amateur, in terms of medicine I know enopugh to keep myself
healthy & first aid training that hopefully would be of some use in an
emergency, however, I do not consider a doctor to necessarily be the best
commentary on what is best for my own health.

And before you ask, yes, I don't support vivisection, the only time I hugged
a tree is when I wrapped myself round one on a motorbike & yes, I do smoke
myself for no other reason than than it gives me some form of relief from
the pressures of work and parts of my life.

--
Martin

Regarding the treatment for Glaucoma I would advise all to look at this
Morfields site.... http://www.moorfields.co.uk/EyeHealth/Glaucoma
It explains about eye drops and surgery.
The first a lot of people know about the onset of Glaucoma is a blinding
pain behind the eyes. This is why when you have an eye test you also have
the pressure measured.

If you have any doubts regarding your eyes you can see your Doctor(If you're
lucky) or visit your local Ophthalmic optician who if he/she has any doubts
can refer you direct to your local Eye hospital or ophthalmic dept.
It's often a lot quicker to visit the optician than the doctor, and your
optician has a lot more training and experience with eyes than your GP has.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:01:27 +0100, martin wrote:

If you have glaucoma you should have medical treatment. It results in
blindness quite quickly, if left untreated.
--
I am!!!

Pam in Bristol

I've got spider mites on mine too, although they're not red ones. I've just
bought some "predators" which I am told will get rid of them, from
www.defenders.co.uk

I only got them yesterday so I don't know if they're any good yet.

I've heard it's good for glaucoma but I wouldn't like to comment, I don't
really know anything about the illness. I know that it is exceptionally good
for MS but that's a completely different kettle of fish.

Andrew


"Pam Moore" wrote in message
...
I have been caring for some seedlings of a plant I should not be
growing and it looks as though "someone up there" has decided I should
not grow them, even as a curiosity! (The substance is supposed to be
good for glaucoma which I have!!!)
They were looking OK before Christmas but when I came home after a
week away they looked a bit sad. I thought they were dry or cold or
both. Deterioration continued and then a maginfying glass showed me
it is red spider mite.
I have had this problem on other plants, but not for at least 3 years.
Where have they come from? None of the other plants nearby, in my
living room, are affected. They don't fly like carrot fly do they?

Pam in Bristol

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:15:15 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I'm not at all up on this subject, Pam but isn't there an operation for
Glaucoma now?
Not all herbal treatments are good for us........side effects etc?

I would never rely on herbal things alone.

Yes there are ops for some types of glaucoma but I manage with drops.
My statement about growing it because of my glaucoma was just to
excuse the fact that I was growing it at all!!
Sorry I've gone off topic. My main concern ( gardening) is the
blasted red spider.
Thanks for the advice on both things and I'll look at those sites.
Actually I am having treatment for macular degeneration too which is
far more serious buo OT!

Pam in Bristol