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found a mouse in my loft!
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. Mary Franz |
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found a mouse in my loft!
"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Mary |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:45:54 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. It depends on how many mice do you intend to feed. If the females reproduce every six weeks you could be feeding thousands within a few years. The mice that got into our house caused quite a lot of damage. The cats sorted then out eventually. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNot...g/Warfarin.htm -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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found a mouse in my loft!
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. Mary Franz |
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found a mouse in my loft!
"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Mary |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:45:54 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. It depends on how many mice do you intend to feed. If the females reproduce every six weeks you could be feeding thousands within a few years. The mice that got into our house caused quite a lot of damage. The cats sorted then out eventually. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNot...g/Warfarin.htm -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? No mention of pain in ... http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic872.htm Mortality/Morbidity: Bleeding is the primary adverse effect of coumadin and superwarfarin toxicity and is related to the intensity of anticoagulation, length of therapy, the patient's underlying clinical state, and use of other drugs that may affect hemostasis or interfere with warfarin metabolism. Fatal or nonfatal hemorrhage may occur from any tissue or organ. * Bleeding complications may be minor, including mucous membranes, subconjunctival hemorrhage, hematuria, epistaxis, and ecchymoses. * Bleeding complications can be major, including GI tract, intracranial bleeding, and retroperitoneal bleeding. Massive hemorrhage usually involves the GI tract but may involve the spinal cord or cerebral, pericardial, pulmonary, adrenal, or hepatic sites. Although rare, massive intraocular hemorrhage has been reported in patients with preexisting disciform macular degeneration. * Hypercoagulable presentations are theoretically possible. Race: Racial predilection does not appear to exist for this type of toxicity. Sex: No significant difference between sexes is apparent for this toxicity. Age: Warfarin exposures, acute and chronic, are more common in adults than in children. Single exposures to superwarfarins are more common in children than in adults and generally are accidental ingestions. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? No mention of pain in ... http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic872.htm Mortality/Morbidity: Bleeding is the primary adverse effect of coumadin and superwarfarin toxicity and is related to the intensity of anticoagulation, length of therapy, the patient's underlying clinical state, and use of other drugs that may affect hemostasis or interfere with warfarin metabolism. Fatal or nonfatal hemorrhage may occur from any tissue or organ. * Bleeding complications may be minor, including mucous membranes, subconjunctival hemorrhage, hematuria, epistaxis, and ecchymoses. * Bleeding complications can be major, including GI tract, intracranial bleeding, and retroperitoneal bleeding. Massive hemorrhage usually involves the GI tract but may involve the spinal cord or cerebral, pericardial, pulmonary, adrenal, or hepatic sites. Although rare, massive intraocular hemorrhage has been reported in patients with preexisting disciform macular degeneration. * Hypercoagulable presentations are theoretically possible. Race: Racial predilection does not appear to exist for this type of toxicity. Sex: No significant difference between sexes is apparent for this toxicity. Age: Warfarin exposures, acute and chronic, are more common in adults than in children. Single exposures to superwarfarins are more common in children than in adults and generally are accidental ingestions. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:10:42 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message . .. Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! That you are a village idiot? Perhaps. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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found a mouse in my loft!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:12:58 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Do a google search and find a site that gives pain as a symptom of warfarin poisoning. I did before I posted my first reply. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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