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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: Thank you Janet for your post, I now have a better grasp of your argument against the proposal. I don't agree with it however I don't claim to have time to have read every post on this subject, but some people seem to be making up non existant problems with which to try and put people off the proposal for no other reason than their own selfish goals. Selfish? How? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: So the word allotment is NOT specified! Have you read what you cut and pasted? It seems to be hiden in a secret paragraph. You see I could talk about telegraph poles, cars and cess pits, because each of my neighbours has one or more in their garden, and still be on topic by your argument. Most, or all of which have been discussed in urg in the past. We also talk about ponds, woodland, bog-gardens, and a host of other subjects which are not specified. Unlike you, I have collected urg on and off for about seven years, and you'd be surprised at some of the subjects discussed. This is what 'this is not intended to be an ehaustive list' means. It will always be OK because somebody says it is 'not an exhaustive list'. It rather depends on the angle of aproach. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: Of course. Why did you bother to post? Why did you waste bandwidth replying? Why can't you both trim your posts? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:36:15 -0000, "Anne Wheeldon"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Anthony" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... So he did in fact say that QUOTE "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" UNQUOTE. Yes but it WASN'T the FULL QUOTE, which affected its meaning. Who do you think you are bluffing? I have just looked again at the original and it is clear that my quotation conveys the sense of the original. Ah, so is his intent just to split urg, thereby being the opposite of "good for URG" Where does he say he wants to split urg? The actual quote please. What realistically do you think the harm would be? Where did I say that he *said* he wants to split urg? I *deduced* that he wants to split urg. Why else would he be proposing a new group when in fact there are allotmenteers happily contributing to urg? The proposer has not once tried to raise matters of interest to allotmenteers in urg. Indeed, it seems that he has never even lurked in urg, otherwise he would have been aware that allotment issues *are* in fact discussed there. That is total rubbish. Please familiarise yourself with urg's charter and understand it before talking such nonsense. Again, Quote to me where in the charter of urg. it specifies the discussion of allotments. Are you really as silly as you come across? The charter does not say anywhere that growing lavender bushes or raising half hardy seedlings are suitable topics for discussion in urg either. So, are we supposed to avert our eyes when those topics crop up? If it not specified it is strictly speaking OFF topic. I have read the charter, have you? Can you find it? on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. Urglers are in fact this very minute discussing "sheds and planning to their hearts content." Please look at the list of current threads. What? Just started one have you? You are obviously quite unfamiliar with the contents of urg in the past and now. That does not put you in a good position for defending the setting up of a breakaway group. I leave it for others to decide for themselves whether that last paragraph spells out a case for splitting a very active group just to satisfy the whim of a person, or small coterie of folk who have never tried to participate in the existing group. Its not for me to spell out the case for the formation for the new group. Why have you then written this particular note? But I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to oppose just because the proposer hasn't posted enough to urg in the past, or has chosen to remain on the sidelines. Far be it from me to specify where the bounds of your understanding should lie. The bandwidth issue has been spouted but no evidence has been given to prove that more space would be taken up by the new group. Time and again, you Franz, have stated that all posts to the proposed group would be crossposted, again without a shread of evidence being cited. You are being even more silly than you are. How on earth can evidence have accrued for an event in the future? But for a somewhat analogous case, look at what happened in uk.rec.audio when uk.rec.audio.vinyl and uk.rec.audio.car were spawned. Many reasons therefore against the motion with a distinct lack of evidence. You are being needlessly repetitive. The proposer has been accused of 'Empire Building', I personally think that some people are frightened that their own 'little empire' may be under threat in some way. Still we can agree to differ can't we Franz. You vote your way, I'll vote mine. Of course. Why did you bother to post? Franz Talking of trolls .... what are you doing in this newsgroup? You never seem to have anything to say about gardening and your comments are usually distasteful and inappropriate. I totally disagree. Franz has had lots to say about gardening. It's also clear you don't understand the meaning of troll. A troll is not somebody, who doesn't agree with the clique all the time. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: Time and again, urg posters have repeated that all the topics which Gary wishes to discuss in a separate group, are on topic on urg and have long been discussed; including allotment availability, rules, management, prices, open days etc.(Just as we discuss public gardens, botanical gardens, their management, prices, open days, meetings, etc..they are all relevant to UK gardening. It is on topic due to historical reasons, but I was under the impression that if a subject was not included it was off topic. How? Have you been on Usenet long? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: Thank you Janet for your post, I now have a better grasp of your argument against the proposal. I don't agree with it however I don't claim to have time to have read every post on this subject, but some people seem to be making up non existant problems with which to try and put people off the proposal for no other reason than their own selfish goals. Selfish? How? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: So the word allotment is NOT specified! Have you read what you cut and pasted? It seems to be hiden in a secret paragraph. You see I could talk about telegraph poles, cars and cess pits, because each of my neighbours has one or more in their garden, and still be on topic by your argument. Most, or all of which have been discussed in urg in the past. We also talk about ponds, woodland, bog-gardens, and a host of other subjects which are not specified. Unlike you, I have collected urg on and off for about seven years, and you'd be surprised at some of the subjects discussed. This is what 'this is not intended to be an ehaustive list' means. It will always be OK because somebody says it is 'not an exhaustive list'. It rather depends on the angle of aproach. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Anne Wheeldon" contains these words: Talking of trolls .... what are you doing in this newsgroup? You never seem to have anything to say about gardening and your comments are usually distasteful and inappropriate. You have quoted 126 lines to post three. Please trim. And you obviously don't spend much time in here these days or you would have a more constructive view on Franz's posts. He does have the unfortunate habit of rising to trolls though - and not snipping. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: Of course. Why did you bother to post? Why did you waste bandwidth replying? Why can't you both trim your posts? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
The message
from "Anne Wheeldon" contains these words: Talking of trolls .... what are you doing in this newsgroup? You never seem to have anything to say about gardening and your comments are usually distasteful and inappropriate. You have quoted 126 lines to post three. Please trim. And you obviously don't spend much time in here these days or you would have a more constructive view on Franz's posts. He does have the unfortunate habit of rising to trolls though - and not snipping. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:36:15 -0000, "Anne Wheeldon"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Anthony" wrote in message ... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... So he did in fact say that QUOTE "Most" believe that "Allotments" are a total different issue to "Gardening" UNQUOTE. Yes but it WASN'T the FULL QUOTE, which affected its meaning. Who do you think you are bluffing? I have just looked again at the original and it is clear that my quotation conveys the sense of the original. Ah, so is his intent just to split urg, thereby being the opposite of "good for URG" Where does he say he wants to split urg? The actual quote please. What realistically do you think the harm would be? Where did I say that he *said* he wants to split urg? I *deduced* that he wants to split urg. Why else would he be proposing a new group when in fact there are allotmenteers happily contributing to urg? The proposer has not once tried to raise matters of interest to allotmenteers in urg. Indeed, it seems that he has never even lurked in urg, otherwise he would have been aware that allotment issues *are* in fact discussed there. That is total rubbish. Please familiarise yourself with urg's charter and understand it before talking such nonsense. Again, Quote to me where in the charter of urg. it specifies the discussion of allotments. Are you really as silly as you come across? The charter does not say anywhere that growing lavender bushes or raising half hardy seedlings are suitable topics for discussion in urg either. So, are we supposed to avert our eyes when those topics crop up? If it not specified it is strictly speaking OFF topic. I have read the charter, have you? Can you find it? on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. Urglers are in fact this very minute discussing "sheds and planning to their hearts content." Please look at the list of current threads. What? Just started one have you? You are obviously quite unfamiliar with the contents of urg in the past and now. That does not put you in a good position for defending the setting up of a breakaway group. I leave it for others to decide for themselves whether that last paragraph spells out a case for splitting a very active group just to satisfy the whim of a person, or small coterie of folk who have never tried to participate in the existing group. Its not for me to spell out the case for the formation for the new group. Why have you then written this particular note? But I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to oppose just because the proposer hasn't posted enough to urg in the past, or has chosen to remain on the sidelines. Far be it from me to specify where the bounds of your understanding should lie. The bandwidth issue has been spouted but no evidence has been given to prove that more space would be taken up by the new group. Time and again, you Franz, have stated that all posts to the proposed group would be crossposted, again without a shread of evidence being cited. You are being even more silly than you are. How on earth can evidence have accrued for an event in the future? But for a somewhat analogous case, look at what happened in uk.rec.audio when uk.rec.audio.vinyl and uk.rec.audio.car were spawned. Many reasons therefore against the motion with a distinct lack of evidence. You are being needlessly repetitive. The proposer has been accused of 'Empire Building', I personally think that some people are frightened that their own 'little empire' may be under threat in some way. Still we can agree to differ can't we Franz. You vote your way, I'll vote mine. Of course. Why did you bother to post? Franz Talking of trolls .... what are you doing in this newsgroup? You never seem to have anything to say about gardening and your comments are usually distasteful and inappropriate. I totally disagree. Franz has had lots to say about gardening. It's also clear you don't understand the meaning of troll. A troll is not somebody, who doesn't agree with the clique all the time. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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In article , Anthony anthonyhughes@61
4kingsway.freeserve.co.uk writes "So the word allotment is NOT specified! Have you read what you cut and pasted? It seems to be hiden in a secret paragraph. You see I could talk about telegraph poles, cars and cess pits, because each of my neighbours has one or more in their garden, and still be on topic by your argument. It will always be OK because somebody says it is 'not an exhaustive list'. We've certainly talked about cess pits. And buried cars. What to grow up a telegraph pole would also be on topic. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , Chris French
writes in reply to someone else If it encourages new Allotment holders, SO BE IT!. I doubt it would make any difference. I imagine urga would be subscribed to only by existing allotmenteers, and new allotment holders would be more likely to be converted from existing gardeners seeing allotment posts in urg -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: Time and again, urg posters have repeated that all the topics which Gary wishes to discuss in a separate group, are on topic on urg and have long been discussed; including allotment availability, rules, management, prices, open days etc.(Just as we discuss public gardens, botanical gardens, their management, prices, open days, meetings, etc..they are all relevant to UK gardening. It is on topic due to historical reasons, but I was under the impression that if a subject was not included it was off topic. How? Have you been on Usenet long? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
The message
from "Anthony" contains these words: Thank you Janet for your post, I now have a better grasp of your argument against the proposal. I don't agree with it however I don't claim to have time to have read every post on this subject, but some people seem to be making up non existant problems with which to try and put people off the proposal for no other reason than their own selfish goals. Selfish? How? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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