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Dead Conifers
Hello,
Not a very happy post for my first one, but i could really do with some help on this. I have a garden which is situated at the rear of my gable end house. It is fenced off with fencing that has vertical gaps between lengths of wood, I have lined, all along the inside of the fence with conifers, i done this three years ago, the conifers have thrived and before they died, had reached a height of roughly three feet. The local council came round and sprayed the pavements around my garden with weedkiller, within two weeks they were dead. I am at the moment in dispute with them over this, they are not accepting responsibility for their actions. It was too much of a coincidence for them to deny this. Their first responce was to blame the pea gravel which has been in place around the base of all of them since the day were planted, he had the cheek, (or is it the stupidity) to suggest that the lime had killed them. I am at a loss as to how to prove their weedkiller actually killed them, and this is the area with which i need help. I am refusing to accept their childish attitude on this, and i will not keep quiet. I have spent hundreds of pounds on my garden, and am not prepared to simply write this money off, as the council would like me to do. So, any suggestions on this would be greatly received, and appreciated. Thanks for reading. |
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'Marie',
Years ago the RHS correctly diagnosed the soil borne disease which was decimating my heather garden, by examining samples of soil and plants which I sent them. I suggest that you contact them http://www.puyallup.k12.wa.us/high/r...ct/Contact.htm with a view to them establishing the cause of your conifers demise. They may not wish to get involved, but if they do you will be expected to join the organization prior to them doing such an examination. Regards, Emrys Davies. "marie" wrote in message ... Hello, Not a very happy post for my first one, but i could really do with some help on this. I have a garden which is situated at the rear of my gable end house. It is fenced off with fencing that has vertical gaps between lengths of wood, I have lined, all along the inside of the fence with conifers, i done this three years ago, the conifers have thrived and before they died, had reached a height of roughly three feet. The local council came round and sprayed the pavements around my garden with weedkiller, within two weeks they were dead. I am at the moment in dispute with them over this, they are not accepting responsibility for their actions. It was too much of a coincidence for them to deny this. Their first responce was to blame the pea gravel which has been in place around the base of all of them since the day were planted, he had the cheek, (or is it the stupidity) to suggest that the lime had killed them. I am at a loss as to how to prove their weedkiller actually killed them, and this is the area with which i need help. I am refusing to accept their childish attitude on this, and i will not keep quiet. I have spent hundreds of pounds on my garden, and am not prepared to simply write this money off, as the council would like me to do. So, any suggestions on this would be greatly received, and appreciated. Thanks for reading. -- marie |
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'Marie',
Sorry about the wrong URL. Google fooled me. This is it. http://www.rhs.org.uk/about/contact.asp Regards, Emrys Davies. "Emrys Davies" wrote in message ... 'Marie', Years ago the RHS correctly diagnosed the soil borne disease which was decimating my heather garden, by examining samples of soil and plants which I sent them. I suggest that you contact them http://www.puyallup.k12.wa.us/high/r...ct/Contact.htm with a view to them establishing the cause of your conifers demise. They may not wish to get involved, but if they do you will be expected to join the organization prior to them doing such an examination. Regards, Emrys Davies. "marie" wrote in message ... Hello, Not a very happy post for my first one, but i could really do with some help on this. I have a garden which is situated at the rear of my gable end house. It is fenced off with fencing that has vertical gaps between lengths of wood, I have lined, all along the inside of the fence with conifers, i done this three years ago, the conifers have thrived and before they died, had reached a height of roughly three feet. The local council came round and sprayed the pavements around my garden with weedkiller, within two weeks they were dead. I am at the moment in dispute with them over this, they are not accepting responsibility for their actions. It was too much of a coincidence for them to deny this. Their first responce was to blame the pea gravel which has been in place around the base of all of them since the day were planted, he had the cheek, (or is it the stupidity) to suggest that the lime had killed them. I am at a loss as to how to prove their weedkiller actually killed them, and this is the area with which i need help. I am refusing to accept their childish attitude on this, and i will not keep quiet. I have spent hundreds of pounds on my garden, and am not prepared to simply write this money off, as the council would like me to do. So, any suggestions on this would be greatly received, and appreciated. Thanks for reading. -- marie |
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marie wrote:
Hello, Not a very happy post for my first one, but i could really do with some help on this. I have a garden which is situated at the rear of my gable end house. It is fenced off with fencing that has vertical gaps between lengths of wood, I have lined, all along the inside of the fence with conifers, i done this three years ago, the conifers have thrived and before they died, had reached a height of roughly three feet. The local council came round and sprayed the pavements around my garden with weedkiller, within two weeks they were dead. I am at the moment in dispute with them over this, they are not accepting responsibility for their actions. It was too much of a coincidence for them to deny this. Their first responce was to blame the pea gravel which has been in place around the base of all of them since the day were planted, he had the cheek, (or is it the stupidity) to suggest that the lime had killed them. I am at a loss as to how to prove their weedkiller actually killed them, and this is the area with which i need help. I am refusing to accept their childish attitude on this, and i will not keep quiet. I have spent hundreds of pounds on my garden, and am not prepared to simply write this money off, as the council would like me to do. So, any suggestions on this would be greatly received, and appreciated. Thanks for reading. I would say that because of the council's obstinancy, this would be an ideal situation to take them to the small claims court. This is a quick and cheap way to settle disputes like this. Plus, the council are quite likely to settle out of court if you are after a reasonable amount. Small Claims Courts are for damages up to £5,000. You can find out more he http://www.compactlaw.co.uk/tiscali/smc.html I'm not a naturally litigious person, but the council sound like they are being gits in this case! -- "In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point." -- Friedrich Nietzsche |
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"marie" wrote in message ... Hello, Not a very happy post for my first one, but i could really do with some help on this. I have a garden which is situated at the rear of my gable end house. It is fenced off with fencing that has vertical gaps between lengths of wood, I have lined, all along the inside of the fence with conifers, i done this three years ago, the conifers have thrived and before they died, had reached a height of roughly three feet. The local council came round and sprayed the pavements around my garden with weedkiller, within two weeks they were dead. I am at the moment in dispute with them over this, they are not accepting responsibility for their actions. It was too much of a coincidence for them to deny this. Their first response was to blame the pea gravel which has been in place around the base of all of them since the day were planted, he had the cheek, (or is it the stupidity) to suggest that the lime had killed them. I am at a loss as to how to prove their weedkiller actually killed them, and this is the area with which i need help. I am refusing to accept their childish attitude on this, and i will not keep quiet. I have spent hundreds of pounds on my garden, and am not prepared to simply write this money off, as the council would like me to do. So, any suggestions on this would be greatly received, and appreciated. Thanks for reading. marie ****** A very difficult one, marie!. I feel very sorry for you. I have been for a year fighting two Schoolmarms in Barrow-in- Furness who threw me out of a computer course because when discussing spam I said the dread word Paedophile during a coffee break so they said that my presence among children was inappropriate in a libellous letter.. Despite the fact that they had not seen me or spoken to me before, nor were there any children present, Visits and my strong letters to them, their Governor's Chairman, the Head Education office at Carlisle have met with total silence. The cowards have all gone to ground. My solicitor, after several costly letters has advised I put the matter into the hands of experienced Manchester Solicitors and brief Counsel (at 500 pounds an hour.) Local Executives are the craftiest rogues on this earth, marie, but Solicitors are the most manipulative. Now that my wife is seriously ill I have had to set aside the problem temporarily, but when her health problem is settled one way or the other I will have my day in Court as a Litigant in Person. My advice to you is, bite the bullet, and unlike me, save yourself from waking at six a.m. and unable to sleep because the problem won't go away from your mind. You look after yourself, marie!. Keep away from the Scum , you are a Lady, they will besmirch you, so preserve your personal dignity and peace of mind by walking away from it.. Doug. 3p.m. I have just received my Solicitor's bill. He has written about four letters and got nowhere. £230 pounds sterling. For NOTHING. ****** |
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"marie" wrote in message ... Hello, Not a very happy post for my first one, but i could really do with some help on this. I have a garden which is situated at the rear of my gable end house. It is fenced off with fencing that has vertical gaps between lengths of wood, I have lined, all along the inside of the fence with conifers, i done this three years ago, the conifers have thrived and before they died, had reached a height of roughly three feet. The local council came round and sprayed the pavements around my garden with weedkiller, within two weeks they were dead. I am at the moment in dispute with them over this, they are not accepting responsibility for their actions. It was too much of a coincidence for them to deny this. Their first responce was to blame the pea gravel which has been in place around the base of all of them since the day were planted, he had the cheek, (or is it the stupidity) to suggest that the lime had killed them. I am at a loss as to how to prove their weedkiller actually killed them, and this is the area with which i need help. I am refusing to accept their childish attitude on this, and i will not keep quiet. I have spent hundreds of pounds on my garden, and am not prepared to simply write this money off, as the council would like me to do. So, any suggestions on this would be greatly received, and appreciated. Thanks for reading. Were they leylandii? If so, let me know what council it was so that I can send them a letter of commendation :0) |
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mOLLY writes Were they leylandii? If so, let me know what council it was so that I can send them a letter of commendation :0) That's a rather cruel response to someone who is clearly upset by what has happened - was it really necessary to post it? - or are we into this realm of posters who all by coincidence seem to have the same name. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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I now know the weedkiller is called Touche. It's 2 main ingredients are GLYPHOSATE and DIURON. The council man said it was a contact herbicide, yet the rep of the maker said it was contact as well as systemic herbicide. Now i am confused, i thought it had to be one or the other...not both? They both refused to take responsibility for the damage, they said Drift had not caused them to die. Just for my own peace of mind i took the liberty of recording this conversation today. I did not tell them i was recording it. It seems the only way i am going to get close to resolving this is to have some of the conifers analysed, but even then they might say it wasn't their man that done it. Is it worth dragging it all through the small claims court, or is that the approach they want me to take, and just dont bother. This council is renowned for not admitting to anything they do wrong. I really dont know what to do for the best. Thank you for all the supportive replies, it's very much appreciated. |
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"marie" wrote in message ... Just for my own peace of mind i took the liberty of recording this conversation today. I did not tell them i was recording it. I don't believe taped conversations are admissable in court. Transcripts MAY be. Photos certainly are admissable. It seems the only way i am going to get close to resolving this is to have some of the conifers analysed, but even then they might say it wasn't their man that done it. Is it worth dragging it all through the small claims court, or is that the approach they want me to take, and just dont bother. Are you a gambler by nature? This council is renowned for not admitting to anything they do wrong. They may, of course, believe that... -- Brian Sig: I have nothing to say |
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In article , marie marie.1b7l3o@n
ews.gardenbanter.co.uk writes marie Wrote: No, THEY WERE NOT. Today i had a meeting with the council enviromental officer (the supervisor of the person that done the damage) and a representative of the manufacturers of the weedkiller. I now know the weedkiller is called Touche. It's 2 main ingredients are GLYPHOSATE and DIURON. The council man said it was a contact herbicide, yet the rep of the maker said it was contact as well as systemic herbicide. Now i am confused, i thought it had to be one or the other...not both? Glyphosate is a systemic herbicide. Don't know what Diuron is. It's perfectly possibly to put two differently acting herbicides together into the same weedkiller, though since a systemic herbicide needs time to translocate to the roots, I'm not sure how you would put a contact herbicide with it and not spoil that action. I wonder if what the council man meant was that Glyphosate has to touch the plant if it is to kill it - it can't leach through the soil. They both refused to take responsibility for the damage, they said Drift had not caused them to die. Just for my own peace of mind i took the liberty of recording this conversation today. I did not tell them i was recording it. Take legal advice if you want to rely on the recording for later evidence. I have an idea you're not allowed to record without telling the other person (which is why we have to sit through so many telephone preambles 'This call mey be recorded for training and quality assurance purposes ...' It seems the only way i am going to get close to resolving this is to have some of the conifers analysed, but even then they might say it wasn't their man that done it. Is it worth dragging it all through the small claims court, or is that the approach they want me to take, and just dont bother. This council is renowned for not admitting to anything they do wrong. I don't know about the chance of success in the small claims court, but clearly atm they are hoping that you will just give up. Pity it's not just before local elections. Well motivated councillors can sometimes achieve miracles. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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marie wrote
Is it worth dragging it all through the small claims court, or is that the approach they want me to take, and just dont bother. Only you can know how important this is to you. If it were me, I'd hold my head high, and then tell the entire world your point of view - being careful not to slander/libel of course. It is presumably perfectly true to say "The council deny that thier weedkiller was responsible for the death of my trees a few weeks later". But then, I'm not the sort to expect money FROM councils anyway. This council is renowned for not admitting to anything they do wrong. It is undoubtedly the case that they have resources for being bl**dy awkward. Trained in it, yer local authority official. From what you have written - which is , of course, your side of the tale - it would appear that the prima face case of coincidence has not been adequately explained by the other side of the arguement. Have they even attempted to address it? I really dont know what to do for the best. I think you need some sort of expert advice, from someone independant - anothre weedkiller manufacturer, a professinal horticulturalist. Have you consdered asking the BBC consumer affairs programmes to get involved? Or your local radio station? Or the citizens advice beaureau? Snag is, time is rushing on and the evidence is getting less obvious. Thank you for all the supportive replies, it's very much appreciated. In the end, I doubt you will win if they stick thier heels in. But you can at least make thier life a misery for a bit, and they might be a bit more responsible in future. A friend of mine has had his sumach tree destroyed several times by contract verge cutters, and got nowhere with complaints. But he persists. |
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In article , marie writes: | | I now know the weedkiller is called Touche. | It's 2 main ingredients are GLYPHOSATE and DIURON. | The council man said it was a contact herbicide, yet the rep of the | maker said it was contact as well as systemic herbicide. | Now i am confused, i thought it had to be one or the other...not both? | They both refused to take responsibility for the damage, they said Go and see a solicitor, but do check that there is a fixed (or zero) fee for the initial discussion. Take a copy of the following pages: http://www.chinese-pesticide.com/herbicides/diuron.htm http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/pn22/pn22p17a.htm http://cropandsoil.oregonstate.edu/n...0405/weed.html In particular "Mode of action Systemic herbicide, absorbed principally by the roots, with translocation acropetally in the xylem.". The cause of death is almost certainly overuse of the diuron, causing run-off. Whether your solicitor advises you to proceed is another matter, but he may well write a letter and the council may settle out of court. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"marie" wrote in message ... marie Wrote: No, THEY WERE NOT. Today i had a meeting with the council enviromental officer (the supervisor of the person that done the damage) and a representative of the manufacturers of the weedkiller. I now know the weedkiller is called Touche. It's 2 main ingredients are GLYPHOSATE and DIURON. The council man said it was a contact herbicide, yet the rep of the maker said it was contact as well as systemic herbicide. Your council man does not know his brass from his oboe. There is plenty of reading matter on the web which makes it quite plain that glyphosate is a translocating herbicide. Now i am confused, i thought it had to be one or the other...not both? They both refused to take responsibility for the damage, they said Drift had not caused them to die. Just for my own peace of mind i took the liberty of recording this conversation today. I did not tell them i was recording it. It seems the only way i am going to get close to resolving this is to have some of the conifers analysed, but even then they might say it wasn't their man that done it. Is it worth dragging it all through the small claims court, or is that the approach they want me to take, and just dont bother. This council is renowned for not admitting to anything they do wrong. I really dont know what to do for the best. Thank you for all the supportive replies, it's very much appreciated. If you subscribe to "Which", you might be able to persuade them to take up the cudgels on your behalf. They win far more frequently than they lose. Franz |
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