The Rosa bracteata still has a lot of buds left on it and the Rosa banksiae
alba has formed clusters of new buds. Perhaps those Holly berries are lying
after all! ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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The Rosa bracteata still has a lot of buds left on it and the Rosa
banksiae
alba has formed clusters of new buds. Perhaps those Holly berries
are lying
after all! ;-)

Sacha, How old does R banksiae have to be before it flowers?
I have one which I acquired in March as a young pot grown specimen and
one a year older. Neither had any flowers this year. (Admittedly a
confounded sheep had a fair fraction of the older one in the spring.)

Franz

On 26/10/04 22:24, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
The Rosa bracteata still has a lot of buds left on it and the Rosa
banksiae
alba has formed clusters of new buds. Perhaps those Holly berries
are lying
after all! ;-)

Sacha, How old does R banksiae have to be before it flowers?

Ray reckons about two years old.

I have one which I acquired in March as a young pot grown specimen and
one a year older. Neither had any flowers this year. (Admittedly a
confounded sheep had a fair fraction of the older one in the spring.)

As they flower on old wood, your sheep did for this year's show! I'm
probably preaching to the choir but only cut out the stems that you really
don't want or which obstruct e.g. windows as our lutea does sometimes.
The white one seems never to be as vigorous as the yellow one here and is
comparatively insignificant while the yellow just drips with flowers.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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On 26/10/04 22:24, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
The Rosa bracteata still has a lot of buds left on it and the
Rosa
banksiae
alba has formed clusters of new buds. Perhaps those Holly
berries
are lying
after all! ;-)

Sacha, How old does R banksiae have to be before it flowers?

Ray reckons about two years old.

I have one which I acquired in March as a young pot grown specimen
and
one a year older. Neither had any flowers this year. (Admittedly
a
confounded sheep had a fair fraction of the older one in the
spring.)

As they flower on old wood, your sheep did for this year's show!
I'm
probably preaching to the choir but only cut out the stems that you
really
don't want or which obstruct e.g. windows as our lutea does
sometimes.
The white one seems never to be as vigorous as the yellow one here
and is
comparatively insignificant while the yellow just drips with
flowers.

Many thanks. So there's hope for mine yet. Contrary to yours, my
normalis (white) grew faster than lutea this past season.

Franz

On 27/10/04 8:33 pm, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


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The white one seems never to be as vigorous as the yellow one here
and is
comparatively insignificant while the yellow just drips with
flowers.

Many thanks. So there's hope for mine yet. Contrary to yours, my
normalis (white) grew faster than lutea this past season.


I'd be very interested to know if it continues that way. Ours weren't
planted by my husband but by Edward Hyams, we think, so are pretty old. The
white is on a corner of the house wall but is south and west facing so while
it can get some wind, it is pretty frost sheltered. Apparently, it's never
been much of a 'do-er' while the yellow one goes mad. Of course, this may
just be this particular plant.
I don't know where you're growing yours, BTW but among other things with
ours we have a Clematis rehederiana which is a very rampant plant and
flowering well now as it has been for some weeks. I recommend it strongly
to anyone who has room for it.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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On 27/10/04 8:33 pm, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
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snip
The white one seems never to be as vigorous as the yellow one
here
and is
comparatively insignificant while the yellow just drips with
flowers.

Many thanks. So there's hope for mine yet. Contrary to yours, my
normalis (white) grew faster than lutea this past season.


I'd be very interested to know if it continues that way. Ours
weren't
planted by my husband but by Edward Hyams, we think, so are pretty
old. The
white is on a corner of the house wall but is south and west facing
so while
it can get some wind, it is pretty frost sheltered. Apparently,
it's never
been much of a 'do-er' while the yellow one goes mad. Of course,
this may
just be this particular plant.
I don't know where you're growing yours, BTW but among other things
with
ours we have a Clematis rehederiana which is a very rampant plant
and
flowering well now as it has been for some weeks. I recommend it
strongly
to anyone who has room for it.

They are both in 60 cm pots against the South wall of our house, in
moderately, but not severely, windy positions. I just hope they don't
object to being in the pots too early in their lives.
{:-((
My wife and I fell for lutea when we saw a magnificent specimen at
Trellissick garden in Cornwall a couple of years ago.

Franz

On 28/10/04 13:57, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip

They are both in 60 cm pots against the South wall of our house, in
moderately, but not severely, windy positions. I just hope they don't
object to being in the pots too early in their lives.
{:-((
My wife and I fell for lutea when we saw a magnificent specimen at
Trellissick garden in Cornwall a couple of years ago.

I'm not sure if I'm following your correctly but are you intending to plant
them out into the ground? As you know vigorous is an understatement for
this rose and they won't be happy in a pot for long!
I think it's one of the best roses there is but it's a little bit unusual to
a lot of people. It's also a great bonus not to *have* to prune it more
than the odd bit of tidying up. ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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On 28/10/04 13:57, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip

They are both in 60 cm pots against the South wall of our house,
in
moderately, but not severely, windy positions. I just hope they
don't
object to being in the pots too early in their lives.
{:-((
My wife and I fell for lutea when we saw a magnificent specimen at
Trellissick garden in Cornwall a couple of years ago.

I'm not sure if I'm following your correctly but are you intending
to plant
them out into the ground? As you know vigorous is an understatement
for
this rose and they won't be happy in a pot for long!

I realise that they are very vigorous. However, I intend to keep them
in the pots until they show signs of discomfort, when I will take
cuttings and start from scratch.

I think it's one of the best roses there is but it's a little bit
unusual to
a lot of people. It's also a great bonus not to *have* to prune it
more
than the odd bit of tidying up. ;-)

Franz

On 3/11/04 6:30, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
On 28/10/04 13:57, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip

They are both in 60 cm pots against the South wall of our house,
in
moderately, but not severely, windy positions. I just hope they
don't
object to being in the pots too early in their lives.
{:-((
My wife and I fell for lutea when we saw a magnificent specimen at
Trellissick garden in Cornwall a couple of years ago.

I'm not sure if I'm following your correctly but are you intending
to plant
them out into the ground? As you know vigorous is an understatement
for
this rose and they won't be happy in a pot for long!

I realise that they are very vigorous. However, I intend to keep them
in the pots until they show signs of discomfort, when I will take
cuttings and start from scratch.

Any reason not to plant them in the open ground? I don't think they'll
flower or do their best in pots. Ours covers just about half the front of
the house and at present has stems waving up in the air way above the
gutter. But it absolutely drips with flowers when in bloom. It wouldn't do
any of that in a pot.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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On 3/11/04 6:30, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
On 28/10/04 13:57, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip

They are both in 60 cm pots against the South wall of our house,
in
moderately, but not severely, windy positions. I just hope they
don't
object to being in the pots too early in their lives.
{:-((
My wife and I fell for lutea when we saw a magnificent specimen
at
Trellissick garden in Cornwall a couple of years ago.

I'm not sure if I'm following your correctly but are you
intending
to plant
them out into the ground? As you know vigorous is an
understatement
for
this rose and they won't be happy in a pot for long!

I realise that they are very vigorous. However, I intend to keep
them
in the pots until they show signs of discomfort, when I will take
cuttings and start from scratch.

Any reason not to plant them in the open ground?

A three inch concrete path against the house. {:-((

I don't think they'll
flower or do their best in pots. Ours covers just about half the
front of
the house and at present has stems waving up in the air way above
the
gutter. But it absolutely drips with flowers when in bloom. It
wouldn't do
any of that in a pot.

Unfortunately I have no alternative. Let's just go on with the
experiment. If they fail, so be it.

Franz

On 3/11/04 15:36, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip
Any reason not to plant them in the open ground?

A three inch concrete path against the house. {:-((

I don't think they'll
flower or do their best in pots. Ours covers just about half the
front of
the house and at present has stems waving up in the air way above
the
gutter. But it absolutely drips with flowers when in bloom. It
wouldn't do
any of that in a pot.

Unfortunately I have no alternative. Let's just go on with the
experiment. If they fail, so be it.


I hope they don't! Could you, perhaps, dig a pocket out of the path?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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k...
On 3/11/04 15:36, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip
Any reason not to plant them in the open ground?

A three inch concrete path against the house. {:-((

I don't think they'll
flower or do their best in pots. Ours covers just about half the
front of
the house and at present has stems waving up in the air way above
the
gutter. But it absolutely drips with flowers when in bloom. It
wouldn't do
any of that in a pot.

Unfortunately I have no alternative. Let's just go on with the
experiment. If they fail, so be it.


I hope they don't! Could you, perhaps, dig a pocket out of the
path?

Ten years ago, I made a hole for a "Schoolgirl" in that path. I found
it very difficult then. I am now 10 years older and just cannot face
it.
{:-((

Franz

On 3/11/04 20:22, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
On 3/11/04 15:36, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip
Any reason not to plant them in the open ground?

A three inch concrete path against the house. {:-((

I don't think they'll
flower or do their best in pots. Ours covers just about half the
front of
the house and at present has stems waving up in the air way above
the
gutter. But it absolutely drips with flowers when in bloom. It
wouldn't do
any of that in a pot.

Unfortunately I have no alternative. Let's just go on with the
experiment. If they fail, so be it.


I hope they don't! Could you, perhaps, dig a pocket out of the
path?

Ten years ago, I made a hole for a "Schoolgirl" in that path. I found
it very difficult then. I am now 10 years older and just cannot face
it.
{:-((


I can quite see that! But you are obviously 'taken' with Rosa banksiae and
I just want you to enjoy it, as we do enjoy ours. I'm sorry not to be more
encouraging, Franz, because I would like to be, honestly. But in a
container, this rose is NOT going to do what you planted it for. So - back
to square one..........can you employ, coerce, find, pay, bribe or blackmail
someone into making a suitable hole into which this rose can be planted?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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On 3/11/04 20:22, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
On 3/11/04 15:36, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:

snip
Any reason not to plant them in the open ground?

A three inch concrete path against the house. {:-((

I don't think they'll
flower or do their best in pots. Ours covers just about half
the
front of
the house and at present has stems waving up in the air way
above
the
gutter. But it absolutely drips with flowers when in bloom.
It
wouldn't do
any of that in a pot.

Unfortunately I have no alternative. Let's just go on with the
experiment. If they fail, so be it.


I hope they don't! Could you, perhaps, dig a pocket out of the
path?

Ten years ago, I made a hole for a "Schoolgirl" in that path. I
found
it very difficult then. I am now 10 years older and just cannot
face
it.
{:-((


I can quite see that! But you are obviously 'taken' with Rosa
banksiae and
I just want you to enjoy it, as we do enjoy ours. I'm sorry not to
be more
encouraging, Franz, because I would like to be, honestly. But in a
container, this rose is NOT going to do what you planted it for.
So - back
to square one..........can you employ, coerce, find, pay, bribe or
blackmail
someone into making a suitable hole into which this rose can be
planted?

I will keep you posted. from time to time/

Franz