Gary:
If you want more information on Serissa, I suggest you send me a private
Email without the no spam, and I will send you information on Serissa.

Serissa will do much better in the ground, if you are trying to bulk up
the trunk.... I would suggest you let them grow for several years until
you are happy with the trunk size. Then you can start to pot them up
and style them.

Leave some of them in the ground, mulch and protect them. If they
survive your winter, they will reward you with lots of growth. I have a
potential forest growing in the ground for the last four years (Zone
6/7). Every spring, I dig it up, prune out the unwanted trees and turn
it, and place it back into the ground on ceramic tiles.

Good luck,

Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7
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Gary Woods wrote:

This spring I set a bunch of Serissa cuttings, the results of trimming a
very overgrown small tree, destined with expert help, to be shaped "broom"
fashion, in a nursery bed in the garden.
Despite my customary lack of care, about half of them struck and a dozen
were potted up this fall. Most are 6" or so tall and many are flowering; I
plan to supplement a south window with some fluorescents. They are growing
as they will, which means several leaders in a shrub shape. I'm feeding
lightly and making sure they don't completely dry out between waterings.

Should I do any preliminary trimming, or just aim at getting healthy plants
through the winter?

Thanks,


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods
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Serissa will do much better in the ground,
I have a potential forest growing in the ground for the last four years
(Zone
6/7).
Gary Woods wrote:
This spring I set a bunch of Serissa cuttings, the results of trimming a
very overgrown small tree, destined with expert help, to be shaped "broom"
fashion, in a nursery bed in the garden.
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York,

Carl Rosner is in coastal South New Jersey.
I very much doubt that Serissa will survive outdoors in the Albany, NY area.
Has anyone tried it? For Gary, I would recommend potting the Serissas in large
plastic bulb pans, and grow them for several years in an enclosed fluorescent
light garden with controlled humidity. Serissas like cool temperatures and
humidity over 60%. Of course they go outdoors for the summer.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

HI
I am following this serissa point as most of people are having
problems vith In/outdoor opinion about serissa
I wanted to buy AGAIN one and destiny gave me e chunk
The chunk is inside a pot with no roots just peat and sand will be
outside all winter Geneva Switzerland zone 7
outside for the moment makes 0° C and ALL leaves are green since I
put it in soil more than 1 month ago
I have seen pics of serissas under 4 fingers of snow and it seems
they are great! many french people leave them outside and in belgium
too and it seems they are very strong resisting and bloom
wonderfully in spring !
Theo


Iris Cohen wrote:

Serissa will do much better in the ground,
I have a potential forest growing in the ground for the last four years
(Zone
6/7).
Gary Woods wrote:

This spring I set a bunch of Serissa cuttings, the results of trimming a
very overgrown small tree, destined with expert help, to be shaped "broom"
fashion, in a nursery bed in the garden.

Zone 5/6 in upstate New York,

Carl Rosner is in coastal South New Jersey.
I very much doubt that Serissa will survive outdoors in the Albany, NY area.
Has anyone tried it? For Gary, I would recommend potting the Serissas in large
plastic bulb pans, and grow them for several years in an enclosed fluorescent
light garden with controlled humidity. Serissas like cool temperatures and
humidity over 60%. Of course they go outdoors for the summer.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Great test. Thanks to let us know the result (both here and frjb please
:-))) at spring ...

Mine is also outside but minimal temperatures are today around 8°C (I
live near Nice - USDA9)

Franck



"Theo" a écrit dans le message de
...
HI
I am following this serissa point as most of people are having
problems vith In/outdoor opinion about serissa
I wanted to buy AGAIN one and destiny gave me e chunk
The chunk is inside a pot with no roots just peat and sand will be
outside all winter Geneva Switzerland zone 7
outside for the moment makes 0° C and ALL leaves are green since I
put it in soil more than 1 month ago
I have seen pics of serissas under 4 fingers of snow and it seems
they are great! many french people leave them outside and in belgium
too and it seems they are very strong resisting and bloom
wonderfully in spring !
Theo


Iris Cohen wrote:

Serissa will do much better in the ground,
I have a potential forest growing in the ground for the last four
years
(Zone
6/7).
Gary Woods wrote:

This spring I set a bunch of Serissa cuttings, the results of trimming a
very overgrown small tree, destined with expert help, to be shaped
"broom"
fashion, in a nursery bed in the garden.

Zone 5/6 in upstate New York,

Carl Rosner is in coastal South New Jersey.
I very much doubt that Serissa will survive outdoors in the Albany, NY
area.
Has anyone tried it? For Gary, I would recommend potting the Serissas in
large
plastic bulb pans, and grow them for several years in an enclosed
fluorescent
light garden with controlled humidity. Serissas like cool temperatures
and
humidity over 60%. Of course they go outdoors for the summer.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

You can bet:-)Frank !
je suis membre de Fr.rec.jardinage.bonsai aussi :-)
Theo

Tamarix wrote:

Great test. Thanks to let us know the result (both here and frjb please
:-))) at spring ...

Mine is also outside but minimal temperatures are today around 8°C (I
live near Nice - USDA9)

Franck



"Theo" a écrit dans le message de
...

HI
I am following this serissa point as most of people are having
problems vith In/outdoor opinion about serissa
I wanted to buy AGAIN one and destiny gave me e chunk
The chunk is inside a pot with no roots just peat and sand will be
outside all winter Geneva Switzerland zone 7
outside for the moment makes 0° C and ALL leaves are green since I
put it in soil more than 1 month ago
I have seen pics of serissas under 4 fingers of snow and it seems
they are great! many french people leave them outside and in belgium
too and it seems they are very strong resisting and bloom
wonderfully in spring !
Theo


Iris Cohen wrote:


Serissa will do much better in the ground,
I have a potential forest growing in the ground for the last four

years

(Zone
6/7).
Gary Woods wrote:


This spring I set a bunch of Serissa cuttings, the results of trimming a
very overgrown small tree, destined with expert help, to be shaped

"broom"

fashion, in a nursery bed in the garden.

Zone 5/6 in upstate New York,

Carl Rosner is in coastal South New Jersey.
I very much doubt that Serissa will survive outdoors in the Albany, NY

area.

Has anyone tried it? For Gary, I would recommend potting the Serissas in

large

plastic bulb pans, and grow them for several years in an enclosed

fluorescent

light garden with controlled humidity. Serissas like cool temperatures

and

humidity over 60%. Of course they go outdoors for the summer.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the

oncoming

train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

The chunk is inside a pot with no roots just peat and sand will be outside
all winter Geneva Switzerland zone 7
outside for the moment makes 0° C (32 F)
I have seen pics of serissas under 4 fingers of snow and it seems they are
great! many french people leave them outside and in belgium too
Of course. That is what I keep telling people who keep them too warm and wonder
why they don't thrive. In this country they are naturalized in the state of
Georgia (Zone 7 to 8).
You can't go by latitude. UK is at the 49th Parallel, but it has a climate
similar to our Pacific Northwest, which is further south. Most of central
Europe is in Zones 5 & 6, even as far north as Finland. Upstate New York is
around the 43rd Parallel, but much colder. Here in Zone 5, our average minimum
winter temperature is -10 to -20 F, -23 to -29 C. Even in Zone 6, which is 10
degrees warmer, I doubt that Serissa would survive outdoors. 4 fingers of snow?
Try a meter or more, with the ground frozen solid.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

HI Iris
Nina answered the question
I agree with you that there are limits to everything I do not think
that a wither like the Canadian one is suitable for Serissa
but Japn is a long cluster of islands with a climate ranging form
Newfoundland to Florida , so you find all temp zones you like and
Beside of Japanese Variety of Serissas that I do not from which part
of japan are native theh others will come most probably from Taiwan
mainland China or Korea and climate there is not always sub tropical
either
4 fingers of snow as I said were on a picture but some people had it
frozen and survived .. and reported a vigorous growth in spring and a
deep greening of leaves plus a bonanza of flowers.....
I was willing to buy one again to make a personal test .. and the
chunk( the cutting gave me a possibility to test without spending 20 $)
I really must be reasonable I have a balcony and the room available
is shrinking you know we are all the same ... just one more the last
one I swear! :-)
Theo


Iris Cohen wrote:
The chunk is inside a pot with no roots just peat and sand will be outside
all winter Geneva Switzerland zone 7
outside for the moment makes 0° C (32 F)
I have seen pics of serissas under 4 fingers of snow and it seems they are
great! many french people leave them outside and in belgium too
Of course. That is what I keep telling people who keep them too warm and wonder
why they don't thrive. In this country they are naturalized in the state of
Georgia (Zone 7 to 8).
You can't go by latitude. UK is at the 49th Parallel, but it has a climate
similar to our Pacific Northwest, which is further south. Most of central
Europe is in Zones 5 & 6, even as far north as Finland. Upstate New York is
around the 43rd Parallel, but much colder. Here in Zone 5, our average minimum
winter temperature is -10 to -20 F, -23 to -29 C. Even in Zone 6, which is 10
degrees warmer, I doubt that Serissa would survive outdoors. 4 fingers of snow?
Try a meter or more, with the ground frozen solid.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Fascinating folks,

watching this response to a shrub which can handle
snow,and tropical temperatures.Must be the link
for the zones of the world.

My grandfather used to say that Canton had 4 distinct
seasons,and he did live in Canada, for 2 years before
coming down to the West Indies[back in the 1919-I think].
So I would believe him.

It's a beautiful shrub and I am still looking for the largest
trunk possible.I wonder where the oldest plant can be
found?
This is with regards to the narrow thin leaf type,with the
single flower and peeling bark.
The full rose flower doesn't do as well down here.
Once again enjoying the e-mails.
Thank you.
Khaimraj
West Indies/Caribbean
Where the lowlands/ricelands are flooding as the rainy season
begins to end ?????


-----Original Message-----
From: Theo
To:
Date: 04 December 2003 23:37
Subject: [IBC] Serissa question


HI Iris
Nina answered the question
I agree with you that there are limits to everything I do not think
that a wither like the Canadian one is suitable for Serissa
but Japn is a long cluster of islands with a climate ranging form
Newfoundland to Florida , so you find all temp zones you like and
Beside of Japanese Variety of Serissas that I do not from which part
of japan are native theh others will come most probably from Taiwan
mainland China or Korea and climate there is not always sub tropical
either
4 fingers of snow as I said were on a picture but some people had it
frozen and survived .. and reported a vigorous growth in spring and a
deep greening of leaves plus a bonanza of flowers.....
I was willing to buy one again to make a personal test .. and the
chunk( the cutting gave me a possibility to test without spending 20 $)
I really must be reasonable I have a balcony and the room available
is shrinking you know we are all the same ... just one more the last
one I swear! :-)
Theo

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The original Serissa foetida is a native of southern China (zone 9 I believe).
However, according to IPNI, Lamarque listed it from Japan. Most of the fancy
cultivars were developed in Japan.
The bottom line is that Serissa is what our gardeners would call half-hardy. It
does not like severe prolonged heat, and benefits from a cool winter rest. On
the other hand it should not be left outdoors in Northern winters.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

....

I think Serissas are like some people that do not like
surprises but can handle them well when they happen.

BTW, great list, I really enjoy reading the posts.

Dimitris.

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Theo


Dimitrios Kalderis wrote:

...

I think Serissas are like some people that do not like
surprises but can handle them well when they happen.

BTW, great list, I really enjoy reading the posts.

Dimitris.

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(Dimitrios Kalderis) wrote:

I think Serissas are like some people that do not like
surprises but can handle them well when they happen

Except for getting completely dry. In my limited experience, that's fatal.

But to follow up to my own post, what I was really asking, none too
clearly, was whether I should perhaps remove some branches that are at or
near ground level at this point. The cuttings are mostly very shrub-like,
which I guess is the "normal" habit for a Sereissa.

I've put a picture of a couple of them on my personsl page... for scale,
the tallest branch on the one on the right is about 8 inches (20cm).

They're potted in as much of the rather heavy garden soil, liberally
amended with stolen leaves, as came up in the trowel, and the pot filled
with soilless "pro-mix." Though the dirt looks quite dry, the pots still
felt heavy when I moved them to photograph; I did bottom water the tray
they're in just after this was taken.

Looks like winter is here for sure; gotta get cracking on the lamps; can't
expect much sun for a while....

Oh, yes:

www.albany.net/~gwoods/images/120503Serissas.jpg

"unlisted" to the extent that the image isn't on the index pages, but
reachable directly.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1200' elevation. NY WO G

Gary, I would like to congratulate you, nice cuttings. Their coming along
nicely! I would definitely recommend you trim the bottoms up just a little bit
so the branches are a little bit farther away from the soil. However do leave
a few low because this will allow the nabari to develop and thicken much
quicker. Serissa also heal very nicely in a relatively short period of time,
meaning a growing season they should be mostly covered up. The scares also hide
nicely with the already light colored trunk. Your doing a good job obviously
by not over watering which is the problem most people have with them. Just be
sure to keep the above ground part of the tree humid, which can be done simply
with a water bottle and misting every now and then. I would also recommend
place them in a grossly over sized pot which will and to the thickening and use
a soil that id better draining such as a 50/50 mix of bonsai soil and potting
soil, which does great.

Derek Zieminski
Zone 8A @ home Summerville, SC
Now Tampa, FL for school

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