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13-02-2004, 02:11 AM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Hi Brent....
I sure know where you're coming from. The viruses from emails have really messed up my computer, even with so-called Spam filtering and virus protection. Take a look at what I found and now use: http://www.interian.com Best Always Gary Marchal http://www.cajunbonsai.com "Brent Walston" wrote in message ic.net... Folks It's beginning to reach epidemic proportions. If it keeps up, I won't be able to read the list as email. Below is what I am getting. My spam filter is not supposed to filter List messages, but apparently it is the attachment or what is interpreted as the attachment that is causing this. The message comes with an attachment at the bottom that I can't open since I don't use Bill Gates stuff. The attachment is deleted when I reply. The only common denominator I see so far is that all the messages come from MS Outlook Express 6. Sorry, I'm not going to stop using Eudora and expose myself to even more problems and viruses. Brent |
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13-02-2004, 02:13 AM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Hi Brent....
I sure know where you're coming from. The viruses from emails have really messed up my computer, even with so-called Spam filtering and virus protection. Take a look at what I found and now use: http://www.interian.com Best Always Gary Marchal http://www.cajunbonsai.com "Brent Walston" wrote in message ic.net... Folks It's beginning to reach epidemic proportions. If it keeps up, I won't be able to read the list as email. Below is what I am getting. My spam filter is not supposed to filter List messages, but apparently it is the attachment or what is interpreted as the attachment that is causing this. The message comes with an attachment at the bottom that I can't open since I don't use Bill Gates stuff. The attachment is deleted when I reply. The only common denominator I see so far is that all the messages come from MS Outlook Express 6. Sorry, I'm not going to stop using Eudora and expose myself to even more problems and viruses. Brent |
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13-02-2004, 03:03 AM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Brent (and all users who's ISP uses Postini as an email filter)
Pacific Net uses a spam filtering system that thinks our bonsai messages are some form of "Junk Mail" that's being generated by a spam broadcast generator. I've just visited the Pacific.net site and it appears they're using the commercial spam filtering company called "Postini" which will filter messages that it considers to be a virus, and those email it considers to be "junk mail" unless you tell it to allow these messages to pass through it's filters. I suggest you click on the "Postini Login" link on the right side of the Pacific.net home page www.pacific.net and Login with your user name and password http://login.postini.com/exec/login. After entering your username and password, you'll be presented with a column of Virus and "Suspicious Junk Mail". Go to the "Suspicious Junk Mail" section and select one of our messages by placing a check mark in the little box to the left of the message then hit the "Deliver" button on the bottom of the page. This message will then be delivered to your email program. The next screen which appears will ask you if you'd like to approve all future messages from this address by "Selecting the "Approve" check box allows messages from the selected address to bypass the junk email filter." If you place a check mark next to this message then press "Continue", all future messages from the bonsai group will bypass the filter and be delivered directly to your email inbox. Hope this helps. Mark Hill Microsoft Associate eXPert and bonsai enthusiast !!) PS ..... Don't loose hope. It's not XP that's causing you trouble. -------------------------------------- Brent wrote in frustration ................ It's beginning to reach epidemic proportions. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 03:33 AM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Brent (and all users who's ISP uses Postini as an email filter)
Pacific Net uses a spam filtering system that thinks our bonsai messages are some form of "Junk Mail" that's being generated by a spam broadcast generator. I've just visited the Pacific.net site and it appears they're using the commercial spam filtering company called "Postini" which will filter messages that it considers to be a virus, and those email it considers to be "junk mail" unless you tell it to allow these messages to pass through it's filters. I suggest you click on the "Postini Login" link on the right side of the Pacific.net home page www.pacific.net and Login with your user name and password http://login.postini.com/exec/login. After entering your username and password, you'll be presented with a column of Virus and "Suspicious Junk Mail". Go to the "Suspicious Junk Mail" section and select one of our messages by placing a check mark in the little box to the left of the message then hit the "Deliver" button on the bottom of the page. This message will then be delivered to your email program. The next screen which appears will ask you if you'd like to approve all future messages from this address by "Selecting the "Approve" check box allows messages from the selected address to bypass the junk email filter." If you place a check mark next to this message then press "Continue", all future messages from the bonsai group will bypass the filter and be delivered directly to your email inbox. Hope this helps. Mark Hill Microsoft Associate eXPert and bonsai enthusiast !!) PS ..... Don't loose hope. It's not XP that's causing you trouble. -------------------------------------- Brent wrote in frustration ................ It's beginning to reach epidemic proportions. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 03:49 AM
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[IBC] Email as attachments
Greetings...
Well... the group-admin might say something to complete the following :-) Change the way of receiving the e-mails from the list to TEXT only It worked for me. I'm no longer "group admin", but . . . It's probably going to depend on which e-mail program someone uses. Brent said he used Eudora. I have (but rarely use) the free version, but it is some different from the paid-for version, which I have never seen. M'soft's Outlook Express (which I use) is similar to, but still different from, M'soft's Outlook, which I deleted from my copy of M'soft's Word because it is the King of all Virus lures -- EVERYone aims for Outlook. Outlook Express is vulnerable, too, but I know it well, and take needed precautions. I didn't need Outlook lurking in the background. Of course, the Mac is somethin' else entirely. It is pure luck that Apple computers can send and receive e-mail. (And, we do not need to hear from irate Macophiles!) Mac formats ARE different! Anyway, if you set Outlook Express to receive Text only, that's what you will get, but in mail from folks who send their e-mail in HTML or other odd formats (Yahoo/Hotmail/some AOL/MSN/ and whatever WebTV is these days) you also will get an attachment. Open it and it is the HTML/(whatever) version of the message. However, other messages also come with attachments -- sometimes nasty ones -- so IMHO, folks who send email in other than text only are doing a great disservice to recipients (in this case, the list -- which is set up to ONLY accept text messages, hence [I suspect, but don't know] Brent's mysterious attachments). ALL mail programs (even Hotmail) can be set to send TEXT only. (That's how they can claim to comply with "Internet Standards.") So. As I understand it -- and my understanding is quite likely to be at least partially faulty -- News Groups AND e-mail were originally designed to pass messages back and forth in TEXT ONLY FORMAT. Text still is the mail and news Standard. However, M'soft and others (including Apple) in their "wisdom" have devised means to send e-mail and news posts in other, non-standard, formats so that they can be received that way IF SOMEONE HAS A MAIL OR NEWS READER THAT CAN ACCEPT IT. If not, they receive a pageful of "Greek" characters, or they get text (which is nice) but they also get that damned suspicious attachment. [An aside: I have Outlook Express set to send ALL e-mail with attachments to a "QUESTIONABLE" folder for careful review when I have time -- (so a message with an attachment is NOT the way to get a quick response from me). I know that others do the same thing. A growing number of these "attached" messages lately have been IBC messages. The IBC Welcome Message which people should read (but don't) asks that you set your programs to send TEXT ONLY. If everyone did that, I think Brent's and my (and others') problems would be fewer.] In Outlook Express, that is TOOLS-OPTIONS-SEND then look toward the bottom of the page to set both mail and news to send TEXT ONLY! Outlook is similar (I think). Dunno about others, BUT IT CAN BE DONE -- and should. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL -- Bonsai List manager emeritus ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 03:49 AM
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[IBC] Email as attachments
Greetings...
Well... the group-admin might say something to complete the following :-) Change the way of receiving the e-mails from the list to TEXT only It worked for me. I'm no longer "group admin", but . . . It's probably going to depend on which e-mail program someone uses. Brent said he used Eudora. I have (but rarely use) the free version, but it is some different from the paid-for version, which I have never seen. M'soft's Outlook Express (which I use) is similar to, but still different from, M'soft's Outlook, which I deleted from my copy of M'soft's Word because it is the King of all Virus lures -- EVERYone aims for Outlook. Outlook Express is vulnerable, too, but I know it well, and take needed precautions. I didn't need Outlook lurking in the background. Of course, the Mac is somethin' else entirely. It is pure luck that Apple computers can send and receive e-mail. (And, we do not need to hear from irate Macophiles!) Mac formats ARE different! Anyway, if you set Outlook Express to receive Text only, that's what you will get, but in mail from folks who send their e-mail in HTML or other odd formats (Yahoo/Hotmail/some AOL/MSN/ and whatever WebTV is these days) you also will get an attachment. Open it and it is the HTML/(whatever) version of the message. However, other messages also come with attachments -- sometimes nasty ones -- so IMHO, folks who send email in other than text only are doing a great disservice to recipients (in this case, the list -- which is set up to ONLY accept text messages, hence [I suspect, but don't know] Brent's mysterious attachments). ALL mail programs (even Hotmail) can be set to send TEXT only. (That's how they can claim to comply with "Internet Standards.") So. As I understand it -- and my understanding is quite likely to be at least partially faulty -- News Groups AND e-mail were originally designed to pass messages back and forth in TEXT ONLY FORMAT. Text still is the mail and news Standard. However, M'soft and others (including Apple) in their "wisdom" have devised means to send e-mail and news posts in other, non-standard, formats so that they can be received that way IF SOMEONE HAS A MAIL OR NEWS READER THAT CAN ACCEPT IT. If not, they receive a pageful of "Greek" characters, or they get text (which is nice) but they also get that damned suspicious attachment. [An aside: I have Outlook Express set to send ALL e-mail with attachments to a "QUESTIONABLE" folder for careful review when I have time -- (so a message with an attachment is NOT the way to get a quick response from me). I know that others do the same thing. A growing number of these "attached" messages lately have been IBC messages. The IBC Welcome Message which people should read (but don't) asks that you set your programs to send TEXT ONLY. If everyone did that, I think Brent's and my (and others') problems would be fewer.] In Outlook Express, that is TOOLS-OPTIONS-SEND then look toward the bottom of the page to set both mail and news to send TEXT ONLY! Outlook is similar (I think). Dunno about others, BUT IT CAN BE DONE -- and should. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL -- Bonsai List manager emeritus ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 02:10 PM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Gary Marchal wrote:
Hi Brent.... I sure know where you're coming from. The viruses from emails have really messed up my computer, even with so-called Spam filtering and virus protection. Take a look at what I found and now use: http://www.interian.com Best Always Gary Marchal http://www.cajunbonsai.com Maybe I shouldn't let out a big secret, but with a Mac viruses are not an issue. I don't even use virus software. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 02:18 PM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Gary Marchal wrote:
Hi Brent.... I sure know where you're coming from. The viruses from emails have really messed up my computer, even with so-called Spam filtering and virus protection. Take a look at what I found and now use: http://www.interian.com Best Always Gary Marchal http://www.cajunbonsai.com Maybe I shouldn't let out a big secret, but with a Mac viruses are not an issue. I don't even use virus software. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 03:05 PM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Craig Cowing wrote:
"Maybe I shouldn't let out a big secret, but with a Mac viruses are not an issue. I don't even use virus software." __________________________________________________ Craig; I realize you're more than happy with your MAC, but don't forget, you're capable of passing along Trojan Horses, Virus, Worms etc. etc. etc. by simply forwarding an infected email. Take my daughter-in-law as an example. She received a virus from one of her infected clients. You're correct, didn't bother her MAC at all. She spread it to all her XP networked partners by forwarding it to them asking "What's this? It won't run on my computer" !!!! Took me hours to fix. The only reason there aren't many MAC virus (Trojan horses, worms, etc) is because there aren't many MACs. The legion of virus creators won't waste time writing a virus for a handful of MAC computers when they can attack hundreds of millions of MS boxes. I personally believe that virus authors are doing both MS and it's legions of users a great favor by exposing the shortcomings in the operating systems and the programs. The more attacks on MS boxes, the stronger MS and it's users become. For those of us who choose (or are forced) to run MS computers, I suggest you keep your anti-virus database updated daily. I personally use AVG's "Network Edition" to protect my network of MS computers, by automatically updating my anti-virus database every night at 1 AM, then passing the latest info along to each of my computers. AVG has a free version at http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php that works great for personal use. The secret is to automatically update the database FREQUENTLY. FYI .... McAfee has a good MAC anti-virus software package called Virex, that's available on a 60 day free trial basis at http://www.mac.com/1/iTour/tour_antivirus.html. I've never tried it so I can't comment on it's usefulness. Mark Hill -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Craig Cowing Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:13 AM To: Subject: [IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 03:27 PM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
Mark Hill wrote:
Craig Cowing wrote: "Maybe I shouldn't let out a big secret, but with a Mac viruses are not an issue. I don't even use virus software." __________________________________________________ Craig; I realize you're more than happy with your MAC, but don't forget, you're capable of passing along Trojan Horses, Virus, Worms etc. etc. etc. by simply forwarding an infected email. snip Mark Hill Point well taken, but I don't often forward emails, and I don't ever open an attachment unless it's something I am expecting. And, I'd never do what you sister-in-law did. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 03:27 PM
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Jim Lewis wrote:
snip I'm no longer "group admin", but . . . snip Of course, the Mac is somethin' else entirely. It is pure luck that Apple computers can send and receive e-mail. (And, we do not need to hear from irate Macophiles!) Mac formats ARE different! Anyway, if you set Outlook Express to receive Text only, that's what you will get, but in mail from folks who send their e-mail in HTML or other odd formats (Yahoo/Hotmail/some AOL/MSN/ and whatever WebTV is these days) you also will get an attachment. Open it and it is the HTML/(whatever) version of the message. However, other messages also come with attachments -- sometimes nasty ones -- so IMHO, folks who send email in other than text only are doing a great disservice to recipients (in this case, the list -- which is set up to ONLY accept text messages, hence [I suspect, but don't know] Brent's mysterious attachments). ALL mail programs (even Hotmail) can be set to send TEXT only. (That's how they can claim to comply with "Internet Standards.") So. snip Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL -- Bonsai List manager emeritus I just make my tea first thing in the morning, boot up the MAC computer, and read my email. Such a tough life you PC users have. ;0} Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 04:57 PM
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At 09:30 PM 2/12/04 -0500, you wrote:
Brent (and all users who's ISP uses Postini as an email filter) Pacific Net uses a spam filtering system that thinks our bonsai messages are some form of "Junk Mail" that's being generated by a spam broadcast generator. I've just visited the Pacific.net site and it appears they're using the commercial spam filtering company called "Postini" which will filter messages that it considers to be a virus, and those email it considers to be "junk mail" unless you tell it to allow these messages to pass through it's filters. Mark I just went to Postini and checked my settings and addresses. As I thought, the bonsai listserv address is an approved sender. The weird messages I get are not quarantined. They are sent on to me, but they have the Spam warning appended, with whatever the message there was, added as an attachment. I don't think changing any of my settings is going to make a difference, but I just contacted the ISP to see if there is anything I can do about it. They are much more responsive than Postini folks. This has happened periodically in the past, but has not been a big problem. Once customer sent me a message that came in this form. I replied that I couldn't read it and asked him to send only plain text messages, which he did, and it came through just fine. He was using some sort of MS Outlook and commented that he had some sort instant email thingy and thought maybe that was the problem. I wouldn't touch Outlook with a ten foot pole, so I have no idea what he was talking about, but when he switched to a good old plain text message, he got through. This is the message that Jim Lewis is saying as well, and I think it is the best solution to the problem. Folks: The geegaws, dancing gifs, colored text, and whatever woozles your system gives you to play with, don't make your thoughts or words one bit (no pun intented) more intelligent. It just keeps you from communicating to some us, which was the whole idea in the first place. Yes, I too, was one of the guys who thought Beta was a superior system and went that route instead of VHS. I still use an old IBM with Win95, Quickbooks 99, Wordperfect 8 (6 worked better) and a six year old HotDog html editor. I run my whole business with this, and it works just fine. I turn it on, I sit down. I go to work, end of story. Susie, on the other hand, who just got a shiny new XP machine spends twice as much time just trying to get it to work than she does in productivity. And just as soon as she has figured out the latest manifestation of her edu's website where she posts here online schoolwork, they think up some cool new changes. Of course they don't work, or are buggy, and she has to go through a whole new round of brain damage. I think we need to get our priorities straight. Brent in Northern California Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 14 http://www.EvergreenGardenworks.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 05:07 PM
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[IBC] Email as attachments
Folks
I am going to repeat Jim's message below. Please take it to heart, and read my other message. Thanks Jim. At 09:46 PM 2/12/04 -0500, Jim Lewis wrote: So. As I understand it -- and my understanding is quite likely to be at least partially faulty -- News Groups AND e-mail were originally designed to pass messages back and forth in TEXT ONLY FORMAT. Text still is the mail and news Standard. However, M'soft and others (including Apple) in their "wisdom" have devised means to send e-mail and news posts in other, non-standard, formats so that they can be received that way IF SOMEONE HAS A MAIL OR NEWS READER THAT CAN ACCEPT IT. If not, they receive a pageful of "Greek" characters, or they get text (which is nice) but they also get that damned suspicious attachment. Brent in Northern California Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 14 http://www.EvergreenGardenworks.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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13-02-2004, 05:45 PM
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[IBC] {SPAM} [IBC] Email as attachments
At 09:30 PM 2/12/04 -0500, you wrote:
Brent (and all users who's ISP uses Postini as an email filter) Pacific Net uses a spam filtering system that thinks our bonsai messages are some form of "Junk Mail" that's being generated by a spam broadcast generator. I've just visited the Pacific.net site and it appears they're using the commercial spam filtering company called "Postini" which will filter messages that it considers to be a virus, and those email it considers to be "junk mail" unless you tell it to allow these messages to pass through it's filters. Mark I just went to Postini and checked my settings and addresses. As I thought, the bonsai listserv address is an approved sender. The weird messages I get are not quarantined. They are sent on to me, but they have the Spam warning appended, with whatever the message there was, added as an attachment. I don't think changing any of my settings is going to make a difference, but I just contacted the ISP to see if there is anything I can do about it. They are much more responsive than Postini folks. This has happened periodically in the past, but has not been a big problem. Once customer sent me a message that came in this form. I replied that I couldn't read it and asked him to send only plain text messages, which he did, and it came through just fine. He was using some sort of MS Outlook and commented that he had some sort instant email thingy and thought maybe that was the problem. I wouldn't touch Outlook with a ten foot pole, so I have no idea what he was talking about, but when he switched to a good old plain text message, he got through. This is the message that Jim Lewis is saying as well, and I think it is the best solution to the problem. Folks: The geegaws, dancing gifs, colored text, and whatever woozles your system gives you to play with, don't make your thoughts or words one bit (no pun intented) more intelligent. It just keeps you from communicating to some us, which was the whole idea in the first place. Yes, I too, was one of the guys who thought Beta was a superior system and went that route instead of VHS. I still use an old IBM with Win95, Quickbooks 99, Wordperfect 8 (6 worked better) and a six year old HotDog html editor. I run my whole business with this, and it works just fine. I turn it on, I sit down. I go to work, end of story. Susie, on the other hand, who just got a shiny new XP machine spends twice as much time just trying to get it to work than she does in productivity. And just as soon as she has figured out the latest manifestation of her edu's website where she posts here online schoolwork, they think up some cool new changes. Of course they don't work, or are buggy, and she has to go through a whole new round of brain damage. I think we need to get our priorities straight. Brent in Northern California Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 14 http://www.EvergreenGardenworks.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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