I've found 'stock' sized floor tile of slate (18" sq, 12" sq,
etc.) which
can be broken around the edges with a pipe wrench. This would
give a light
but natural slab sized for a small to medium sized planting. I
like the
natural look. I'm looking at possibly planting on a thicker
flagstone,
primarily for the look. Have fun - jay

Jay Beckenbach - Melrose, FL - Zone 8b/9a -


You can buy a tool (looks like a root cutter, but the jaws don't
quite meet) that is designed to chip the edges of floor tiles.
Mine cost $3.95 at Home Depot.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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Yep and it works well too. Too well. The break you get with that type of
tool is very vertical, suitable for laying floor tile. If the vertical edge
is what you want, then get this tool. If you wish the tapered, split slab
look then root around in your tool box for anything with jaws, pad them and
twist the edges off the slate. With slate, the edges come off in layers at
the area of the jaws. Don't forget the safety goggles with either type of
tool. Pipe wrenches are very common and the angle of the jaws makes the
twisting much easier than a straight wrench. But a straight wrench will
work.

By the way, the tool Jim is talking about makes a good , cheap trunk
splitter with a little creative grinding on the jaws and the stop. You can
even use it to make a root cutter with slightly different jaw grinding if
you need a big one. Have fun - jay

Jay Beckenbach - Melrose, FL - Zone 8b/9a -




-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lewis ]

I've found 'stock' sized floor tile of slate (18" sq, 12" sq,
etc.) which
can be broken around the edges with a pipe wrench. This would
give a light
but natural slab sized for a small to medium sized planting. I
like the
natural look. I'm looking at possibly planting on a thicker
flagstone,
primarily for the look. Have fun - jay

Jay Beckenbach - Melrose, FL - Zone 8b/9a -


You can buy a tool (looks like a root cutter, but the jaws don't
quite meet) that is designed to chip the edges of floor tiles.
Mine cost $3.95 at Home Depot.

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Yep and it works well too. Too well. The break you get with
that type of
tool is very vertical, suitable for laying floor tile.

Gee. I've nibbled off an almost perfect circle with the
"nibbler" and have lots of free-form tile slabs that I use --
used :-( -- as stands for my once-upon-a-time collection of
_tiny_ trees.

You just take lots of tiny nibbles with the nibbler.

I suppose there are different sizes. The one I have is about the
size of a common pair of pliers.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

If the vertical edge
is what you want, then get this tool. If you wish the tapered,
split slab
look then root around in your tool box for anything with jaws,
pad them and
twist the edges off the slate. With slate, the edges come off
in layers at
the area of the jaws. Don't forget the safety goggles with
either type of
tool. Pipe wrenches are very common and the angle of the jaws
makes the
twisting much easier than a straight wrench. But a straight
wrench will
work.

By the way, the tool Jim is talking about makes a good , cheap
trunk
splitter with a little creative grinding on the jaws and the
stop. You can
even use it to make a root cutter with slightly different jaw
grinding if
you need a big one. Have fun - jay

Jay Beckenbach - Melrose, FL - Zone 8b/9a -




-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lewis ]

I've found 'stock' sized floor tile of slate (18" sq, 12" sq,
etc.) which
can be broken around the edges with a pipe wrench. This
would
give a light
but natural slab sized for a small to medium sized planting.
I
like the
natural look. I'm looking at possibly planting on a thicker
flagstone,
primarily for the look. Have fun - jay

Jay Beckenbach - Melrose, FL - Zone 8b/9a -


You can buy a tool (looks like a root cutter, but the jaws
don't
quite meet) that is designed to chip the edges of floor tiles.
Mine cost $3.95 at Home Depot.


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Similar laws apply in my state, Louisiana. Our legislature
passed new legislation this session making it much easier to
prosecute for trespass in response to problems with wood arson
and vandalism. Property owners are no longer required to post
their lands in order to prosecute. I'm a bit concerned that this
is too extreme, but I understand that this was deemed necessary,
because vandals would simply steal the 'no trespassing' signs and
evade prosecution unless caught red-handed. Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----
From: kevin bailey

Thought I recognised that as I was reading :-)

This last paragraph 'The new trespass laws, included in the
Criminal
Justice Act, allow prosecution for trespass. Permission must be
obtained, if you move off
public rights of way, to wander on private land anywhere in the
UK.' is
probably overdue for revision. The problem is that I am still not
certain what the new 'right to roam' act really means. Must start
looking!

Yes we are a small island but there are still plenty of places
that feel
really wild. In reality though, hardly any of it is unchanged by
mans
influence. Virtually none of our original climax vegetation
survives.
Cheers
Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales

Richard:
Where is "wild" in the UK?
Marty

'Many areas including such places as national parks, sites of
special
scientific interest (SSSI's), geological reserves and nature
reserves
do not allow the collection of any material, including rocks.
Limestone pavements, where spectacular weather worn limestone
blocks
are exposed on the surface are a particularly sensitive area and
must
on no account be collected from. The laws must be adhered to, by
all
responsible collectors, as the beauty of an area or a rare animal
or
plant habitat may easily be spoiled by indiscriminate
collection.'

Simply being off the footpath can be an offence.

'The new trespass laws, included in the Criminal Justice Act,
allow
prosecution for trespass. Permission must be obtained, if you
move off
public rights of way, to wander on private land anywhere in the
UK.'

This is quoted from IBC member Kev Bailey's website.
http://www.actionvideo.freeserve.co.uk/vocbsabout.htm
Richard

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As usual, Louisiana is finally catching up to the rest of the
world. g) Even backward (and getting ever more backward)
Florida has had that law for many years now. Can't imagine why
you'd think it's too extreme. I certainly don't want strangers
wandering over MY land, for whatever reason.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

======================
Similar laws apply in my state, Louisiana. Our legislature
passed new legislation this session making it much easier to
prosecute for trespass in response to problems with wood arson
and vandalism. Property owners are no longer required to post
their lands in order to prosecute. I'm a bit concerned that this
is too extreme, but I understand that this was deemed necessary,
because vandals would simply steal the 'no trespassing' signs and
evade prosecution unless caught red-handed. Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----
From: kevin bailey

Thought I recognised that as I was reading :-)

This last paragraph 'The new trespass laws, included in the
Criminal
Justice Act, allow prosecution for trespass. Permission must be
obtained, if you move off
public rights of way, to wander on private land anywhere in the
UK.' is
probably overdue for revision. The problem is that I am still not
certain what the new 'right to roam' act really means. Must start
looking!

Yes we are a small island but there are still plenty of places
that feel
really wild. In reality though, hardly any of it is unchanged by
mans
influence. Virtually none of our original climax vegetation
survives.
Cheers
Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales

Richard:
Where is "wild" in the UK?
Marty

'Many areas including such places as national parks, sites of
special
scientific interest (SSSI's), geological reserves and nature
reserves
do not allow the collection of any material, including rocks.
Limestone pavements, where spectacular weather worn limestone
blocks
are exposed on the surface are a particularly sensitive area and
must
on no account be collected from. The laws must be adhered to, by
all
responsible collectors, as the beauty of an area or a rare animal
or
plant habitat may easily be spoiled by indiscriminate
collection.'

Simply being off the footpath can be an offence.

'The new trespass laws, included in the Criminal Justice Act,
allow
prosecution for trespass. Permission must be obtained, if you
move off
public rights of way, to wander on private land anywhere in the
UK.'

This is quoted from IBC member Kev Bailey's website.
http://www.actionvideo.freeserve.co.uk/vocbsabout.htm
Richard

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It may be easier to prosecute, but a "blanket" post law that had similar
definition to the UK has been on the books for several years now.
Wayne Greenleaf - New Orleans Z9

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of
Jim Lewis
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:58 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] slabs

As usual, Louisiana is finally catching up to the rest of the
world. g) Even backward (and getting ever more backward)
Florida has had that law for many years now. Can't imagine why
you'd think it's too extreme. I certainly don't want strangers
wandering over MY land, for whatever reason.

Including liability. Isn't that sad.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

======================
Similar laws apply in my state, Louisiana. Our legislature
passed new legislation this session making it much easier to
prosecute for trespass in response to problems with wood arson
and vandalism. Property owners are no longer required to post
their lands in order to prosecute. I'm a bit concerned that this
is too extreme, but I understand that this was deemed necessary,
because vandals would simply steal the 'no trespassing' signs and
evade prosecution unless caught red-handed. Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----
From: kevin bailey

Justice Act, allow prosecution for trespass. Permission must be
obtained, if you move off
public rights of way, to wander on private land anywhere in the
Simply being off the footpath can be an offence.

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