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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Circumstances dictated that I abandon plans to harvest the wire.
Maybe I should cut it into 3 foot lengths and use those triangular long Priority Mail boxes to ship it, instead of bending it further? What is the preferred length for a 3mm wire? I watered the Ficus today, that I am eyeballing for a Bonsai treatment. I bent the branches horizontal in a few places.. and although they are thick.. they are still flexible enough. They are large enough though, that I will surely need at least 2 wraps of even this strong wire. The plants have put out a dozen or so ariel roots each, which have established themselves. I am currently building an area with multiple 'misters', on a 6X a day timer, to encourage more 'air root' development, along with being an area for Orchids, Ferns and seedlings. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Circumstances dictated that I abandon plans to harvest the wire.
Maybe I should cut it into 3 foot lengths and use those triangular long Priority Mail boxes to ship it, instead of bending it further? What is the preferred length for a 3mm wire? I watered the Ficus today, that I am eyeballing for a Bonsai treatment. I bent the branches horizontal in a few places.. and although they are thick.. they are still flexible enough. They are large enough though, that I will surely need at least 2 wraps of even this strong wire. The plants have put out a dozen or so ariel roots each, which have established themselves. I am currently building an area with multiple 'misters', on a 6X a day timer, to encourage more 'air root' development, along with being an area for Orchids, Ferns and seedlings. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
Ray: I've had a different experience, at least with the larger gauges.
Yeah, smaller gauges like 14, 16 or 18 hardly need annealing in the first place, but larger gauges (4, 6, 8, 10, 12) are not sufficiently annealed for safely wiring bonsai, even though the box claims they are annealed. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- "Ra" wrote Hi All, I just obtained some 3mm solid copper wire and I am also wondering if it will require further annealing. From: rschmitt23 Probably not. I buy bare copper wire (10, 12, 14, 16, 18 ga) in the electrical department at the hardware store in 100 foot lengths and its soft enough for bonsai wiring. Copper work hardens as you bend and twist it, so unwinding and rewinding can become a chore. Best advice is to plan ahead so you only have to wind once. Later Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"Alan Walker" wrote in message news:000201c3ef7c$9cf5bf40$6101a8c0@Alan... Ray: I've had a different experience, at least with the larger gauges. Yeah, smaller gauges like 14, 16 or 18 hardly need annealing in the first place, but larger gauges (4, 6, 8, 10, 12) are not sufficiently annealed for safely wiring bonsai, even though the box claims they are annealed. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org snip Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. Later -- Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"Alan Walker" wrote in message news:000201c3ef7c$9cf5bf40$6101a8c0@Alan... Ray: I've had a different experience, at least with the larger gauges. Yeah, smaller gauges like 14, 16 or 18 hardly need annealing in the first place, but larger gauges (4, 6, 8, 10, 12) are not sufficiently annealed for safely wiring bonsai, even though the box claims they are annealed. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org snip Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. Later -- Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"rschmitt23" wrote Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. I still haven't harvested this wire.. but I'm going to try it on some tough old 2 year Ficus that will be really hard to bend at this point. Today, I trimmed one of them. I decided to go for Broom style although I'm leaving some criss-cross branches in there. Once the thing bushes, the interior will be invisible anyway. The trunk has about a dozen air roots that have successfully reached the ground and are rapidly thickening. This happened while the plants were on the pool deck, where things get dried out more than usual. Once I get my 'misting areas' completed, I hope to encourage a large batch of Ficus Bonsai with 50 roots each. I'm in the Florida Keys. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"rschmitt23" wrote Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. I still haven't harvested this wire.. but I'm going to try it on some tough old 2 year Ficus that will be really hard to bend at this point. Today, I trimmed one of them. I decided to go for Broom style although I'm leaving some criss-cross branches in there. Once the thing bushes, the interior will be invisible anyway. The trunk has about a dozen air roots that have successfully reached the ground and are rapidly thickening. This happened while the plants were on the pool deck, where things get dried out more than usual. Once I get my 'misting areas' completed, I hope to encourage a large batch of Ficus Bonsai with 50 roots each. I'm in the Florida Keys. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"rschmitt23" wrote Alan: I try to avoid wiring with gages larger than 10. I find that I lose the "feel" needed to do a proper wiring job. If the branch is really stiff, I've used several methods: double windings of 10 ga copper wire; branch benders; and rigging. Occasionally I've used a combination of these methods on a branch. I still haven't harvested this wire.. but I'm going to try it on some tough old 2 year Ficus that will be really hard to bend at this point. Today, I trimmed one of them. I decided to go for Broom style although I'm leaving some criss-cross branches in there. Once the thing bushes, the interior will be invisible anyway. The trunk has about a dozen air roots that have successfully reached the ground and are rapidly thickening. This happened while the plants were on the pool deck, where things get dried out more than usual. Once I get my 'misting areas' completed, I hope to encourage a large batch of Ficus Bonsai with 50 roots each. I'm in the Florida Keys. -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"marty haber" wrote
what's a fair price? Before they're annealed, $1 each. After annealing, $3. Marty Thanks for the feedback Marty. I don't think it would be worth the labor alone, to sell it for $1 per. I can envision the annealing price working though, or slightly higher, if it turns out to be a relatively painless process. I could probably go as low as $2 per 25 foot piece, for raw wire, if 10 pieces are bought? -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
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[IBC] Annealed Copper Wire
"marty haber" wrote
what's a fair price? Before they're annealed, $1 each. After annealing, $3. Marty Thanks for the feedback Marty. I don't think it would be worth the labor alone, to sell it for $1 per. I can envision the annealing price working though, or slightly higher, if it turns out to be a relatively painless process. I could probably go as low as $2 per 25 foot piece, for raw wire, if 10 pieces are bought? -- best regards, Ra http://surfpick.com ---------------------------------------------------- Try Lignum Vitae ---------------------------------------------------- |
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