Ok, the deer are eating my okra and any tomato that gets pink. I guess
I need to do something. I've read that a 4 ft fence with some added
arms for and electric wire will work for deer. Anyone know of a good
description of this setup including how to make the arms? Thanks.

Dave wrote:
Ok, the deer are eating my okra and any tomato that gets pink. I guess
I need to do something. I've read that a 4 ft fence with some added
arms for and electric wire will work for deer. Anyone know of a good
description of this setup including how to make the arms? Thanks.

go to any farm supply store. They will have the whole system including
the arms.

Dave wrote:
Ok, the deer are eating my okra and any tomato that gets pink. I guess
I need to do something. I've read that a 4 ft fence with some added
arms for and electric wire will work for deer. Anyone know of a good
description of this setup including how to make the arms? Thanks.

Andy writes:
I read this on another newsgroup and am posting it here as it seems
like a good idea. The OP had deer in a community garden and wanted
to know how to stop it. One of the replies was from a fellow that had
either
been told to do this:, or had tried it himself....

Put up an electric fence, single strand. Every 15 feet or so, hang
a
strip of tin foil. Coat the tin foil with peanut butter......

The deer smell the peanut butter, try to eat it, and get zapped on
their
ass. They then avoid the fence like the plague. It doesn't hurt them
in
any permanent way, but the fence may have to be fixed occasionally
since
the first time the deer try it they jump really high and may fall on
the wire...

The peanut butter is an attractions. Otherwise, they would simply
go under the fence and miss the point of the lesson.... There was no
indication of whether to use smooth or crunchy, but it seems a good way
to get rid of the smooth style that nobody except deer and mice
eat.....

It seemed like a good idea and easy to implement. My particular
nemesis,
uhh, nemesae,are wild pigs... I think it might work on them also, and
will try it next spring...

Andy in Eureka, Texas

( If you have a singing fish mounted in at least three rooms
of your house, you might live in Eureka, Texas )

"AndyS" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dave wrote:
Ok, the deer are eating my okra and any tomato that gets pink. I guess
I need to do something. I've read that a 4 ft fence with some added
arms for and electric wire will work for deer. Anyone know of a good
description of this setup including how to make the arms? Thanks.

Andy writes:
I read this on another newsgroup and am posting it here as it seems
like a good idea. The OP had deer in a community garden and wanted
to know how to stop it. One of the replies was from a fellow that had
either
been told to do this:, or had tried it himself....

Put up an electric fence, single strand. Every 15 feet or so, hang
a
strip of tin foil. Coat the tin foil with peanut butter......

The deer smell the peanut butter, try to eat it, and get zapped on
their
ass. They then avoid the fence like the plague. It doesn't hurt them
in
any permanent way, but the fence may have to be fixed occasionally
since
the first time the deer try it they jump really high and may fall on
the wire...

The peanut butter is an attractions. Otherwise, they would simply
go under the fence and miss the point of the lesson.... There was no
indication of whether to use smooth or crunchy, but it seems a good way
to get rid of the smooth style that nobody except deer and mice
eat.....

It seemed like a good idea and easy to implement. My particular
nemesis,
uhh, nemesae,are wild pigs... I think it might work on them also, and
will try it next spring...

Andy in Eureka, Texas

( If you have a singing fish mounted in at least three rooms
of your house, you might live in Eureka, Texas )

^^^^^^^^
Yeah, but which Eureka, TX???....There's 3 of'em :-)

Also, well placed .243 works wonders at dissuading wild pigs, and deer for
that matter, from further crop damage.

KW

KW keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet wrote in message
...
--Wild Boar solution--

Also, well placed .243 works wonders at dissuading wild pigs,
and deer for that matter, from further crop damage.

I prefer the Remington 30-06 over a Winchester.

A friend puts out a sack of yams covered in honey to help reduce the
damage to his fields. He said on our last visit that for the first time
since he's lived on the ranch, the boars are not damaging his property
as badly. He makes a darned fine pork sausage.

The Ranger
--
"Why don't you talk to yourself?"
"Because I get too many stupid answers."
-- Abbot and Costello, "Hold that Ghost""

KW wrote:

( If you have a singing fish mounted in at least three rooms
of your house, you might live in Eureka, Texas )

^^^^^^^^
Yeah, but which Eureka, TX???....There's 3 of'em :-)

Also, well placed .243 works wonders at dissuading wild pigs, and deer for
that matter, from further crop damage.

KW

Andy responds:

I am in the UPPER CLASS Eureka, Texas... With a population of 350,
and NO FOREIGNERS, we are very selective of our neighbors and our
ammunition......

I don't have a .243 and don't feel like staying up past Jay Leno to
shoot
the little buggers..... Wild pigs are very hard to dissuade. They
trot back
and forth, here, during the day..... Heck, I don't want to shoot
them, ...
.... I just want them to stay away from my cucumbers...........

Andy in Eureka, Texas

( If you have three neighbors, all claiming to be Elvis Presley,
you might live in Eureka, Texas )

AndyS wrote:
Dave wrote:
Ok, the deer are eating my okra and any tomato that gets pink. I guess
I need to do something. I've read that a 4 ft fence with some added
arms for and electric wire will work for deer. Anyone know of a good
description of this setup including how to make the arms? Thanks.

Andy writes:
I read this on another newsgroup and am posting it here as it seems
like a good idea. The OP had deer in a community garden and wanted
to know how to stop it. One of the replies was from a fellow that had
either been told to do this:, or had tried it himself....

Put up an electric fence, single strand. Every 15 feet or so, hang
a strip of tin foil. Coat the tin foil with peanut butter......

The deer smell the peanut butter, try to eat it, and get zapped on
their ass. They then avoid the fence like the plague. It doesn't hurt them
in any permanent way, but the fence may have to be fixed occasionally
since the first time the deer try it they jump really high and may fall on
the wire...[...]


I wonder if I could just temporarily run a wire nose-high around my
okra and tomatoes?

Dave wrote:

I wonder if I could just temporarily run a wire nose-high around my
okra and tomatoes?

The system at a farm supply store is the wire, plus either small posts
or brackets tat you can attach to a chain link. It also has a
transformer, delivering a painful but not deadly jolt that a live wire
may deliver. It cost $19.99 for me.

In article .com,
"simy1" wrote:

Dave wrote:

I wonder if I could just temporarily run a wire nose-high around my
okra and tomatoes?

The system at a farm supply store is the wire, plus either small posts
or brackets tat you can attach to a chain link. It also has a
transformer, delivering a painful but not deadly jolt that a live wire
may deliver. It cost $19.99 for me.

Just my 2¢, but I hope your ready for the dead birds. The voltage (It's
really the amperage you need to be concerned with.) that will put bambi
on his butt is gonna' fry "tweety bird" and friends (four and two
legged) that come into contact with it. You may be down with the
collateral damage but passer-bys, neighbors, grand kids, ect., may see
you in a whole, brand new light. Birds also help clean up insects in the
garden, so think about unintended consequences.

Someone recommended a 30-06, which, if you're competent with hitting
what you aim at, may be practical, and if you live in the country. While
I'm not happy with the idea, at least you would be shooting the poachers.

With any luck at all, another idea comes along.

In article ,
"William L. Rose" wrote:

In article .com,
"simy1" wrote:

Dave wrote:

I wonder if I could just temporarily run a wire nose-high around my
okra and tomatoes?

The system at a farm supply store is the wire, plus either small posts
or brackets tat you can attach to a chain link. It also has a
transformer, delivering a painful but not deadly jolt that a live wire
may deliver. It cost $19.99 for me.

Just my 2¢, but I hope your ready for the dead birds. The voltage (It's
really the amperage you need to be concerned with.) that will put bambi
on his butt is gonna' fry "tweety bird" and friends (four and two
legged) that come into contact with it. You may be down with the
collateral damage but passer-bys, neighbors, grand kids, ect., may see
you in a whole, brand new light. Birds also help clean up insects in the
garden, so think about unintended consequences.

Someone recommended a 30-06, which, if you're competent with hitting
what you aim at, may be practical, and if you live in the country. While
I'm not happy with the idea, at least you would be shooting the poachers.

With any luck at all, another idea comes along.

Unlikely...
I ran a low double hot wire around my front yard to keep my border
collie off the fence. She's quite a jumper. ;-)

I have not seen bird kills near or around the wire. They are low
amperage AC.

You don't need to run a high amperage to discourage deer. The shocky
feeling is bad enough to deter dogs, horses or cattle so I see no reason
it'd not spook a deer.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"William L. Rose" wrote:

Just my 2¢, but I hope your ready for the dead birds. The voltage (It's
really the amperage you need to be concerned with.) that will put bambi
on his butt is gonna' fry "tweety bird" and friends (four and two
legged) that come into contact with it. You may be down with the
collateral damage but passer-bys, neighbors, grand kids, ect., may see
you in a whole, brand new light. Birds also help clean up insects in the
garden, so think about unintended consequences.

Haven't you ever seen birds on power lines? The voltage and ampreage
are a heck of a lot more than electric fences.

Here is a place where you can read how the fences work.:
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex611

William L. Rose wrote:


Just my 2¢, but I hope your ready for the dead birds. The voltage (It's
really the amperage you need to be concerned with.) that will put bambi
on his butt is gonna' fry "tweety bird" and friends (four and two
legged) that come into contact with it. You may be down with the
collateral damage but passer-bys, neighbors, grand kids, ect., may see
you in a whole, brand new light. Birds also help clean up insects in the
garden, so think about unintended consequences.


Never seen a dead bird there, and the amperage is not enough to kill a
squirrel. I have seen them touch the wire and scream bloody murder, but
scamper up a tree alive. I have also seen a deer touch it, and jump
several feet in the air before flying (and taking the whole herd with
it).

On 3 Aug 2006 12:58:41 -0700, "Dave" wrote:

I wonder if I could just temporarily run a wire nose-high around my
okra and tomatoes?

Put out strong smelling deodorant soap for temporary protection. You
can either hang the bar of soap around vulnerable plants, or take a
potato peeler and whittle off slices all over the garden.

How effective it is depends on how desperate the deer are, but we've
found it works pretty well at keeping the deer away from my mom's
flowers in the summer. It didn't work so well around the ornamental
cabbage in the winter.


Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:30:13 -0700, "William L. Rose"
wrote:


Just my 2¢, but I hope your ready for the dead birds. The voltage (It's
really the amperage you need to be concerned with.) that will put bambi
on his butt is gonna' fry "tweety bird" and friends (four and two
legged) that come into contact with it. You may be down with the
collateral damage but passer-bys, neighbors, grand kids, ect., may see
you in a whole, brand new light. Birds also help clean up insects in the
garden, so think about unintended consequences.

I'm not familiar with the system being discussed, but I used a hot
wire system a few years back to keep a dog from climbing the fence. to
be shocked, the dog had to be "grounded", literally. Birds that landed
on the wire were unaffected.


Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

In article ,
(Harry Chickpea) wrote:

"William L. Rose" wrote:

Just my 2¢, but I hope your ready for the dead birds. The voltage (It's
really the amperage you need to be concerned with.) that will put bambi
on his butt is gonna' fry "tweety bird" and friends (four and two
legged) that come into contact with it. You may be down with the
collateral damage but passer-bys, neighbors, grand kids, ect., may see
you in a whole, brand new light. Birds also help clean up insects in the
garden, so think about unintended consequences.

Haven't you ever seen birds on power lines? The voltage and ampreage
are a heck of a lot more than electric fences.

Here is a place where you can read how the fences work.:
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex611

Alright, show's over. Move it along. Move it along. Show's over.

My god, where did all them pitchforks and torches come from? This seemed
like such a friendly little news group.

So electric fences have progressed since I ran off and became a Luddite,
good.

Mr. Om says he uses a double hot wire around his yard. Does that mean
two hot wires, or one hot and one ground? Grounding isn't an issue? I
also see that some fences only zap for a limited duration, like a
fraction of a second. Sounds reasonable. I would still worry about the
amount of voltage that can get a deer's attention and the amount that
could throw a half ounce bird into cardiac arrhythmia. But that's
probably just me. If no one has seen that, then it must not be a big
deal. No complaints from the grandkids or do they like getting their
hair to stand on end?

As far as birds and squirrels on the power lines, occasionally they do
find a ground and you can hear the transformer blow for miles. They
never make that mistake twice. But that really doesn't relate to the
discussion at hand.

Oh, before I forget, thanks Mr. Om for the web site. There's always
something to learn. Slow down and you get left behind. When I got out of
school, there were three states of "matter" in physics and two
"Kingdoms" in biology. Now I find that plasma has been added to gas,
liquid, solid, and Kingdom Fungi, Kingdom Monera, and Kingdom Protista
have been added to Kingdom Animalia, and Kingdom Plantae.

Like to chat, but I gotta' run.

Later.