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"Dave" wrote:

Due to the wash, I've gotten alot of bermuda grass there in the
driveway
now. Some native weeds have taken a liking to it as well. Expensive,
but
works is charcoal lighter fluid. Used motor oil as well. Anything out
there that kills bermuda grass?

Roundup and landscaping fabric.

You can get it at Lowe's. Put a light layer of sand over it.
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Roundup would be fine in most of the gravel driveway area. Some not as
wash
would go to my edible food garden. Will try roundup where appropriate.

Will landscaping fabric holdup to light automobile/truck traffic? Can I
just throw a heavy tarp over it instead? Area is about 100' long by 12'
wide on straight section of gravel driveway.
Dave

I wouldn't mess with landscaping fabric or a tarp; they are just too
lightweight for vehicle traffic. You can get a length of road fabric,
geotextile, from a contractor supplier, that will be very good; I use the
woven (vs. nonwoven) which is much better and comes in the wide widths.
In 1982-83, Crown Zellerbach had a massive world-wide advertising campaign
introducing it to engineers, departments of transportation and contractors
which brought it into the "modern" mainstream. Of course, like all
successful products, many others started manufacturing it so there is a
wide variety available now, even root barriers. Geotextile fabric is now
required under the rock/gravel on roads and freeways. There, it is to
keep the dirt and gravel separate so the gravel doesn't work into the
dirt; it decreases gravel use and road failure resulting in substantial
savings, both at construction and in later repairs. Because it is
designed to hold up with gravel and rock, it will work for your driveway
traffic. It cannot be torn but must be cut; puncture rate is extremely
low, it's tough stuff, especially the woven. One of the widths in which
it comes is 12-foot. At our supplier here, we can order ahead and get
custom lengths or you can buy an entire roll (100-feet is one of the roll
lengths I think). This is not to be confused with landscaping fabric
which is very much lighter weight.

One of the things I use it for is to put in the pickup on dump runs,
especially with yard debris. I have a piece cut 2-1/2 lengths of the
truck bed with one end just over the top of the tailgate and the rest over
the cab. When the truck is ready to go, we pull the front back over the
load, tuck in the edges, throw a rope over it and have it all "sealed"
inside the bed for no loss of trash. It takes only a couple of minutes to
secure the load and, at the dump, we are usually able to just release the
ropes and pull the entire thing off the pickup bed, remove and fold the
fabric and be out of there while everyone is still shoveling and throwing.
Since the first year I used this "envelope," many others have started
doing the same - it only takes most folks once to see how they can
simplify that unpleasant task of unloading for them to incorporate it.
They mostly use tarps which work fine for that though the tarps (unless
canvas) will have limited use as they will get holes poked in them. Holes
in the geotextile fabric are not a problem (been using it for eight years
and not a puncture yet). It is also allows water through; it has to for
roadways, so it is not for protecting things from the weather. One could,
however, use a high-mil plastic sheet covered with geotextile for that
purpose because the fabric will divert most of the rain simply because it
is not an absorbent fabric and the plastic would divert the remaining
water.

There are thousands of web pages out there (geotextile fabric); you can
read about one agricultural use at
http://ohioline.osu.edu/aex-fact/0304.html though they seem to be talking
about the non-woven which I would not use (have, and it wasn't
satisfactory for what I wanted and in narrower widths and was concerned
about leaching into the soil).

A more comprehensive description is at
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...&client=safari

with a link at the top for a pdf version.

DOT specs are at:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/Specifica...kBook/d985.pdf

In 1982 & 83, I worked for the secretarial service who had the mailing
contract with Crown for the year-long advertising mailings; I later worked
many years with a contractor who used it. It was so effective for reduced
gravel use, that most of his customers used it before it became required
because the gravel savings greatly exceeded the fabric cost. (It was a
cool thing to be able to tell him about it; if you knew him, you'd know
how difficult he could be to convince to try something new.) He often
used it even when the customer didn't want it because it saved him money
in labor and materials due to less gravel applied and less time needed
which saved the customer money. (Once he did that for a customer, that
customer used it on all future projects - saving cash talks.)

I purchase mine from CSI Geosynthetics, who may be able to tell you where
it is available in your area to buy direct. Their telephone number is
(360) 699-1426.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Glenna

In article fc.003d0941022c46063b9aca0032ef83f8.22c46c9@pmug. org,
(Glenna Rose) wrote:

I wouldn't mess with landscaping fabric or a tarp; they are just too
lightweight for vehicle traffic. You can get a length of road fabric,
geotextile, from a contractor supplier, that will be very good; I use the
woven (vs. nonwoven) which is much better and comes in the wide widths.
In 1982-83, Crown Zellerbach had a massive world-wide advertising campaign
introducing it to engineers, departments of transportation and contractors
which brought it into the "modern" mainstream. Of course, like all
successful products, many others started manufacturing it so there is a
wide variety available now, even root barriers. Geotextile fabric is now
required under the rock/gravel on roads and freeways. There, it is to
keep the dirt and gravel separate so the gravel doesn't work into the
dirt; it decreases gravel use and road failure resulting in substantial
savings, both at construction and in later repairs. Because it is
designed to hold up with gravel and rock, it will work for your driveway
traffic. It cannot be torn but must be cut; puncture rate is extremely
low, it's tough stuff, especially the woven. One of the widths in which
it comes is 12-foot. At our supplier here, we can order ahead and get
custom lengths or you can buy an entire roll (100-feet is one of the roll
lengths I think). This is not to be confused with landscaping fabric
which is very much lighter weight.

That's awesome! :-)
I did not know about that stuff.

Thanks!
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Omelet wrote:
In article fc.003d0941022c46063b9aca0032ef83f8.22c46c9@pmug. org,
(Glenna Rose) wrote:

I wouldn't mess with landscaping fabric or a tarp; they are just too
lightweight for vehicle traffic. You can get a length of road fabric,
geotextile, from a contractor supplier, that will be very good; I use the
woven (vs. nonwoven) which is much better and comes in the wide widths.
In 1982-83, Crown Zellerbach had a massive world-wide advertising campaign
introducing it to engineers, departments of transportation and contractors
which brought it into the "modern" mainstream. Of course, like all
successful products, many others started manufacturing it so there is a
wide variety available now, even root barriers. Geotextile fabric is now
required under the rock/gravel on roads and freeways. There, it is to
keep the dirt and gravel separate so the gravel doesn't work into the
dirt; it decreases gravel use and road failure resulting in substantial
savings, both at construction and in later repairs. Because it is
designed to hold up with gravel and rock, it will work for your driveway
traffic. It cannot be torn but must be cut; puncture rate is extremely
low, it's tough stuff, especially the woven. One of the widths in which
it comes is 12-foot. At our supplier here, we can order ahead and get
custom lengths or you can buy an entire roll (100-feet is one of the roll
lengths I think). This is not to be confused with landscaping fabric
which is very much lighter weight.

That's awesome! :-)
I did not know about that stuff.

Thanks!

We just had a driveway put in on our wooded property up
north in NY. The driveway goes back around 120 yards from
the main "road". The guy used large gravel, item 4, etc...
He refused to do it with out the geotextile. It came out
pretty well and according to him, it'll be there for years
and years inspite of the rough winters in that area.

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Steve

In article ,
Steve Calvin wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article fc.003d0941022c46063b9aca0032ef83f8.22c46c9@pmug. org,
(Glenna Rose) wrote:

I wouldn't mess with landscaping fabric or a tarp; they are just too
lightweight for vehicle traffic. You can get a length of road fabric,
geotextile, from a contractor supplier, that will be very good; I use the
woven (vs. nonwoven) which is much better and comes in the wide widths.
In 1982-83, Crown Zellerbach had a massive world-wide advertising campaign
introducing it to engineers, departments of transportation and contractors
which brought it into the "modern" mainstream. Of course, like all
successful products, many others started manufacturing it so there is a
wide variety available now, even root barriers. Geotextile fabric is now
required under the rock/gravel on roads and freeways. There, it is to
keep the dirt and gravel separate so the gravel doesn't work into the
dirt; it decreases gravel use and road failure resulting in substantial
savings, both at construction and in later repairs. Because it is
designed to hold up with gravel and rock, it will work for your driveway
traffic. It cannot be torn but must be cut; puncture rate is extremely
low, it's tough stuff, especially the woven. One of the widths in which
it comes is 12-foot. At our supplier here, we can order ahead and get
custom lengths or you can buy an entire roll (100-feet is one of the roll
lengths I think). This is not to be confused with landscaping fabric
which is very much lighter weight.

That's awesome! :-)
I did not know about that stuff.

Thanks!

We just had a driveway put in on our wooded property up
north in NY. The driveway goes back around 120 yards from
the main "road". The guy used large gravel, item 4, etc...
He refused to do it with out the geotextile. It came out
pretty well and according to him, it'll be there for years
and years inspite of the rough winters in that area.

I have a gravel driveway too.

It's a bitch to weed where I don't want to use roundup.
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Omelet wrote:
We just had a driveway put in on our wooded property up
north in NY. The driveway goes back around 120 yards from
the main "road". The guy used large gravel, item 4, etc...
He refused to do it with out the geotextile. It came out
pretty well and according to him, it'll be there for years
and years inspite of the rough winters in that area.

I have a gravel driveway too.

It's a bitch to weed where I don't want to use roundup.

Well, it's only been in a week and hasn't gotten much rain
but I suspect having just been up there for 6 days, ain't
much gonna grow through this sob.... If you want to know
exactly what was done, I can ask Rick the next time I talk
to him, probably some time this week to make sure the well's
in. Getting water without that was a royal PITA.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952699.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952683.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952671.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952625.jpg


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Steve

In article ,
Steve Calvin wrote:

Omelet wrote:
We just had a driveway put in on our wooded property up
north in NY. The driveway goes back around 120 yards from
the main "road". The guy used large gravel, item 4, etc...
He refused to do it with out the geotextile. It came out
pretty well and according to him, it'll be there for years
and years inspite of the rough winters in that area.

I have a gravel driveway too.

It's a bitch to weed where I don't want to use roundup.

Well, it's only been in a week and hasn't gotten much rain
but I suspect having just been up there for 6 days, ain't
much gonna grow through this sob.... If you want to know
exactly what was done, I can ask Rick the next time I talk
to him, probably some time this week to make sure the well's
in. Getting water without that was a royal PITA.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952699.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952683.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952671.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL18/.../263952625.jpg


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I envy you your landscaping... :-(

We lived in a forest once. I miss it!
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Omelet wrote:


I envy you your landscaping... :-(

We lived in a forest once. I miss it!


LANDSCAPING?!? lol, *What* landscaping?!? ;-) Heck, that
was the first time we'd been able to use the property. The
road was done and the trailer put back there literally the
day before we got there. Haven't had a chance to do much of
anything 'cept get a little wood cut and a fire ring built.

Next time up the clover gets planted for them 4 legged
critters.

We have to get away from where were are in a few years. This
place is becoming a suburb of NYC and we just can't take it
any longer. It used to be a beautiful area 30 years ago, but
no longer.

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Steve Calvin wrote:

Omelet wrote:


I envy you your landscaping... :-(

We lived in a forest once. I miss it!


LANDSCAPING?!? lol, *What* landscaping?!? ;-)

Momma nature did the work for you.G

Heck, that
was the first time we'd been able to use the property. The
road was done and the trailer put back there literally the
day before we got there. Haven't had a chance to do much of
anything 'cept get a little wood cut and a fire ring built.

Next time up the clover gets planted for them 4 legged
critters.

I have a bag of clover in the back of the truck. Hmmm...
Maybe I'll go ahead and scatter THAT in the front yard instead of
purchasing a flat of St. Augustine.


We have to get away from where were are in a few years. This
place is becoming a suburb of NYC and we just can't take it
any longer. It used to be a beautiful area 30 years ago, but
no longer.

If you still like that kind of territory, the area East of Houston is
similar, as is a small area in the Austin area called "Bastrop".
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Omelet wrote:

If you still like that kind of territory, the area East of Houston is
similar, as is a small area in the Austin area called "Bastrop".

Thanks for the heads up but we really like the northeast,
'ceptin' for the winters of course. ;-)

As for the clover, I figure it's good for the deer and I may
have to mow it once a year if I happen to feel like it.
Not sure if the black bear will like it or not. I'm hoping,
not. ;-)

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In article ,
Steve Calvin wrote:

Omelet wrote:

If you still like that kind of territory, the area East of Houston is
similar, as is a small area in the Austin area called "Bastrop".

Thanks for the heads up but we really like the northeast,
'ceptin' for the winters of course. ;-)

As for the clover, I figure it's good for the deer and I may
have to mow it once a year if I happen to feel like it.
Not sure if the black bear will like it or not. I'm hoping,
not. ;-)

My dogs oughta keep the deer out of the yard. G
There is a small herd that grazes across the street. I'm a 'burbanite
unfortunately so pardon me for envying your acreage!

As for bear... I'm glad to say there are none here. Those things scare
me.

:-)

Winters in central Texas have been colder lately, but that's not a bad
thing. Cuts the skeeter population! I do rather love our growing season.
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