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Heirloom Apples
"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. |
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FarmI wrote:
"sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? We used to have another poster who liked to define words. Can you define symplastless? Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. And this adds to the dialog, how? Nothing was said about Red Delicious apples. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. Ibid You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. Speaks volumes to you powers of observation, Doo. Fran has been posting here for years and anyone with a pulse knows she is from Australia. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Brilliant, spray pollution on your apples to keep them clean. And you know it's true because you can trust Mon$anto to protect your health and the environment. Right, Doo? http://www.naturalnews.com/023254.html Mon$anto: History of Contamination and Cover-up Sherwin -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Looks good, has superb flavour, keeps well and keeps a great flavour right through to the final apple. Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. That is a personal preference. I'm sure some people love Red Delicious so that apple would fit their criteria of being a good apple. I don't like Red Delicious either, but then I've only ever eaten commercially produced ones. Home grown ones may be very different. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Beauty of Bath, Lord Lambourne, Cox's Orange Pippin, Worchester Pearmain, Laxton Superb, Bramley Seedling, Fuji, Red Gauntlet. I live in Australia. If you anything about apples, then you should recognise that the list I gave of what we have is chock full of heritage/heirloom apples. And certainly location MAY indeed be a factor is growing apples that you call "clean". But that is not what you originally wrote. I grow apples that are not sprayed at all, ever. It is possible to grow good apples without spraying. |
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FarmI wrote:
"sherwin dubren" wrote in message FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Looks good, has superb flavour, keeps well and keeps a great flavour right through to the final apple. Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. That is a personal preference. I'm sure some people love Red Delicious so that apple would fit their criteria of being a good apple. I don't like Red Delicious either, but then I've only ever eaten commercially produced ones. Home grown ones may be very different. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Beauty of Bath, Lord Lambourne, Cox's Orange Pippin, Worchester Pearmain, Laxton Superb, Bramley Seedling, Fuji, Red Gauntlet. I live in Australia. If you anything about apples, then you should recognise that the list I gave of what we have is chock full of heritage/heirloom apples. And certainly location MAY indeed be a factor is growing apples that you call "clean". But that is not what you originally wrote. I grow apples that are not sprayed at all, ever. It is possible to grow good apples without spraying. I recognize the names of most of the apples you grow. In fact I grew the Cox apple in my backyard. I guess the "nasties" have not made it down under. In fact, your government is trying to limit the importation of USA apples because of several pests. See the following web site: http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets...-pear-aust.pdf Here in the central USA, when I stopped spraying my Cox apples, the bugs had a feast. The way things are spreading around the world, it won't be long before they start paying you a visit. Sherwin |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Looks good, has superb flavour, keeps well and keeps a great flavour right through to the final apple. Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. That is a personal preference. I'm sure some people love Red Delicious so that apple would fit their criteria of being a good apple. I don't like Red Delicious either, but then I've only ever eaten commercially produced ones. Home grown ones may be very different. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Beauty of Bath, Lord Lambourne, Cox's Orange Pippin, Worchester Pearmain, Laxton Superb, Bramley Seedling, Fuji, Red Gauntlet. I live in Australia. If you anything about apples, then you should recognise that the list I gave of what we have is chock full of heritage/heirloom apples. And certainly location MAY indeed be a factor is growing apples that you call "clean". But that is not what you originally wrote. I grow apples that are not sprayed at all, ever. It is possible to grow good apples without spraying. I recognize the names of most of the apples you grow. In fact I grew the Cox apple in my backyard. I guess the "nasties" have not made it down under. Depends on what you define as nasties. Fruit Fly and codling moth are probably the worst but we dont' have any on our farm and I'm assiduous in making sure none arrives here either. In fact, your government is trying to limit the importation of USA apples because of several pests. See the following web site: http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets...-pear-aust.pdf Fire Blight is the real worry. We don't have that here. Here in the central USA, when I stopped spraying my Cox apples, the bugs had a feast. The way things are spreading around the world, it won't be long before they start paying you a visit. That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. |
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FarmI wrote:
That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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Billy wrote:
In article , sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? BillyGoat, You miss the whole point of this thread. The original sender did not specify where he lived, and Australia would not have been my first guess. When someone claims results for orchard maintenance, they are meaningless in this case where the pests in question are not a problem. Does that penetrate your thick skull? Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? BillyGoat, You miss the whole point of this thread. The original sender did not specify where he lived, and Australia would not have been my first guess. When someone claims results for orchard maintenance, they are meaningless in this case where the pests in question are not a problem. Does that penetrate your thick skull? Sherwin How long has FarmI been posting here, Doo? Not much of an observer are you? IIRC the thread started with a visit to a nursery (or its catalog) where there was some 300 varieties of heirloom apples. Done any gardening lately? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? BillyGoat, You miss the whole point of this thread. Really? Insightful into the depths of your ignorance and stupidity. The point of this thread, which was started by Steve Peek was, "If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land." Steve You know ugly, Doo, I'm sure. I would guess that Steve was referring to unsprayed apples, that may not be cosmetically perfect. You were the one who veered into biocides to make your apples "Photoshop ready". Steve was just luxuriating in the abundance of apple varieties. The original sender did not specify where he lived, and Australia would not have been my first guess. Agreed, your guesses haven't been too good. When someone claims results for orchard maintenance, they are meaningless in this case where the pests in question are not a problem. And pointless when the only "clean" apples you can get come at the cost of personal or environmental health. Does that penetrate your thick skull? Better than being cracked. Why don't you have another steaming cup of Imidan to settle your nerves? Sherwin -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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Billy wrote:
The point of this thread, which was started by Steve Peek was, "If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: It may have started with a tour of heirloom apples, but he later threw in the fact that he never sprays his apples. http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land." Steve You know ugly, Doo, I'm sure. I would guess that Steve was referring to unsprayed apples, that may not be cosmetically perfect. You were the one who veered into biocides to make your apples "Photoshop ready". Steve was just luxuriating in the abundance of apple varieties. I am not speaking about surface damage. If you look at the following web site, you will see some pictures of apple maggot damaged fruit: http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree002/tree002.htm This gardening site plainly states the following: "Fruit damaged by apple maggots eventually becomes soft and rotten, and cannot be eaten" I would not even use these attacked apples for cider, unless you need a protein fix. Why don't you have another steaming cup of Imidan to settle your nerves? That's not even funny. Billygoat, You obviously know nothing about fruit growing, so why not stick to one of your specialties, like carrots. Yoo probably think that all apples taste the same and probably fool yourself into thinking Gallo wine is as tasty as a French Chardoney. I am not trying to be snobish here, but pointing out that I take extra pains to grow finer apples, and that involves chemical spraying. As I have mentioned many times, I have the advantage of controlling the spray management to keep the dangers negligible. You, on the other hand, put out lots of unsubstanciated data of how poisonous our fruits and vegitables are. The net effect of this is to unnecessarily scare people into not eating foods which will have a net effect of making them more healthy. Even store bought fruit and vegitables can be made safer by proper washing or peeling. You probably don't realize that many foods in the market marked as Organic are not necessarily free of chemicals. I have heard of organic farmers approaching their neighbors when their crops are about to be ruined, asking for advice on how to spray with chemicals to save their livelihood. Also consider that some of the organic sprays contain nature's most toxic chemicals. It's a self-defense mechanism plants have. Rotenone, for example can be toxic. So don't lecture me about your philosophy of saving the planet. I think you are doing more harm than good in your warnings. Sherwin |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? The original sender did not specify where he lived, and Australia would not have been my first guess. When someone claims results for orchard maintenance, they are meaningless in this case where the pests in question are not a problem. I keep getting the impression that you can't remember who posted what, or you don't understand what you are reading. I didn't write that pests aren't a problem. I wrote that I don't use sprays. Steve Peek, who is the original poster, wrote that he uses organic solutions. I would have thougth that what both Steve and I wrote was very simple to understand but it seems not in your case. |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: The point of this thread, which was started by Steve Peek was, "If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: It may have started with a tour of heirloom apples, but he later threw in the fact that he never sprays his apples. http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land." Steve You know ugly, Doo, I'm sure. I would guess that Steve was referring to unsprayed apples, that may not be cosmetically perfect. You were the one who veered into biocides to make your apples "Photoshop ready". Steve was just luxuriating in the abundance of apple varieties. I am not speaking about surface damage. If you look at the following web site, you will see some pictures of apple maggot damaged fruit: http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree002/tree002.htm This gardening site plainly states the following: "Fruit damaged by apple maggots eventually becomes soft and rotten, and cannot be eaten" I would not even use these attacked apples for cider, unless you need a protein fix. Why don't you have another steaming cup of Imidan to settle your nerves? That's not even funny. Billygoat, You obviously know nothing about fruit growing, so why not stick to one of your specialties, like carrots. Yoo probably think that all apples taste the same and probably fool yourself into thinking Gallo wine is as tasty as a French Chardoney. I am not trying to be snobish here, but pointing out that I take extra pains to grow finer apples, and that involves chemical spraying. As I have mentioned many times, I have the advantage of controlling the spray management to keep the dangers negligible. You, on the other hand, put out lots of unsubstanciated data of how poisonous our fruits and vegitables are. The net effect of this is to unnecessarily scare people into not eating foods which will have a net effect of making them more healthy. Even store bought fruit and vegitables can be made safer by proper washing or peeling. You probably don't realize that many foods in the market marked as Organic are not necessarily free of chemicals. I have heard of organic farmers approaching their neighbors when their crops are about to be ruined, asking for advice on how to spray with chemicals to save their livelihood. Also consider that some of the organic sprays contain nature's most toxic chemicals. It's a self-defense mechanism plants have. Rotenone, for example can be toxic. So don't lecture me about your philosophy of saving the planet. I think you are doing more harm than good in your warnings. Sherwin The problem is Doo, you don't think. The choice is eat chemicals or don't eat chemicals. No one knows what the chemicals do, especially in combination, so, which is it, door number one, or door number two? There are reports saying it is OK, and there are reports that it is poison. What is your pick? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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Billy wrote:
The problem is Doo, you don't think. The choice is eat chemicals or don't eat chemicals. No one knows what the chemicals do, especially in combination, so, which is it, door number one, or door number two? There are reports saying it is OK, and there are reports that it is poison. What is your pick? Billygoat, I can recommend a book to you and anyone else interested in a balanced view of the use of pesticides in today's world. It is written by Joe schwarcz, Phd, who is the director of the McGill University's office for Science and Society. He has written many books on health and this one is called 'An Apple a Day'. I found the entire book to be of great interest, but you should look specifically at the chapter on pesticides. Dr. Schwarcz puts things in perspective about the use of pesticides. He agrees that they can be harmfull to growers and farmworkers, if they are not taking the right precautions. However, he does not think there are any real dangers to the consumer public. It is a matter of quantity of pesticide in the resultant produce. He emphasizes that chemicals are used in much lower quantities and under more careful scrutiny than in the past. I suggest you get a hold of a copy at your local library. Be sure to read the chapter on pesticides. Sherwin |
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