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I need blackberry help
T wrote:
On 07/30/2018 04:04 PM, T wrote: On 07/29/2018 10:10 AM, songbird wrote: T wrote: Hi All, I can't get my blackberry seeds to grow anywhere, except this one little sprouting pot. https://ibb.co/b13zuT Question: are these sprouts really blackberries, or has I been nurturing a bunch of WEEDS? Â*Â* you should know what purslane looks like by now? i thought you grew a lot of it? Â*Â* songbird It is similar looking in some respects, but not how it looks as a sprout.Â* For starters, purslane sprouts are red. The guys are getting big enough that they are starting to form the second growth of leaves, so .... And purslane sprouts have much thicker stocks and their leaves are rolled up pointing skyward (and are red). The tops of mature purslane comes in three, fours and fives for pedals, not perfect fours. That being said, the pedals on these things I am nursing look EXACTLY like purslane pedals. It won't hurt me to keep nursing them If they turn out to be purslane, I will just eat them. I want to wait until they start growing mature leaves and drop their baby leaves. given different conditions some plants can appear quite different. songbird |
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I need blackberry help
On 07/30/2018 07:38 PM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: On 07/29/2018 10:15 AM, songbird wrote: blackberries i love but won't likely ever grow them. blueberries are much further up my list of someday plants. You wouldn't happen to know anyone who grows bilberries for sale? no, i've never looked for them, but a quick search did find suppliers so you should be able to find someone... songbird I couldn't find any. Just seed supplier. What search did you use? |
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I need blackberry help
On 07/30/2018 07:41 PM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: On 07/30/2018 04:04 PM, T wrote: On 07/29/2018 10:10 AM, songbird wrote: T wrote: Hi All, I can't get my blackberry seeds to grow anywhere, except this one little sprouting pot. https://ibb.co/b13zuT Question: are these sprouts really blackberries, or has I been nurturing a bunch of WEEDS? Â*Â* you should know what purslane looks like by now? i thought you grew a lot of it? Â*Â* songbird It is similar looking in some respects, but not how it looks as a sprout.Â* For starters, purslane sprouts are red. The guys are getting big enough that they are starting to form the second growth of leaves, so .... And purslane sprouts have much thicker stocks and their leaves are rolled up pointing skyward (and are red). The tops of mature purslane comes in three, fours and fives for pedals, not perfect fours. That being said, the pedals on these things I am nursing look EXACTLY like purslane pedals. It won't hurt me to keep nursing them If they turn out to be purslane, I will just eat them. I want to wait until they start growing mature leaves and drop their baby leaves. given different conditions some plants can appear quite different. songbird The bigger they get, the more they look like purslane too. Seems there is a BIG difference between wild purslane and pampered purslane! |
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I need blackberry help
T wrote:
On 07/30/2018 07:38 PM, songbird wrote: T wrote: On 07/29/2018 10:15 AM, songbird wrote: blackberries i love but won't likely ever grow them. blueberries are much further up my list of someday plants. You wouldn't happen to know anyone who grows bilberries for sale? no, i've never looked for them, but a quick search did find suppliers so you should be able to find someone... songbird I couldn't find any. Just seed supplier. What search did you use? https://www.google.com/search?q=bilberry+plant+for+sale in looking at the places that had them i noticed that they all said what i suspected, these are wet/moisture loving plants that grow naturally near bogs and probably also need sandy acidic soil. i kinda doubt that you'll have very good luck growing them in an arid climate with alkaline soil. songbird |
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I need blackberry help
T wrote:
.... The bigger they get, the more they look like purslane too. Seems there is a BIG difference between wild purslane and pampered purslane! i see them start up very tiny and red in places where the soil is hard/compacted and very hard to get them going, but they do... with all the seeds they drop some are bound to find a small gap to creep a root into. songbird |
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I need blackberry help
On 07/31/2018 04:58 PM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: On 07/30/2018 07:38 PM, songbird wrote: T wrote: On 07/29/2018 10:15 AM, songbird wrote: blackberries i love but won't likely ever grow them. blueberries are much further up my list of someday plants. You wouldn't happen to know anyone who grows bilberries for sale? no, i've never looked for them, but a quick search did find suppliers so you should be able to find someone... songbird I couldn't find any. Just seed supplier. What search did you use? https://www.google.com/search?q=bilberry+plant+for+sale in looking at the places that had them i noticed that they all said what i suspected, these are wet/moisture loving plants that grow naturally near bogs and probably also need sandy acidic soil. i kinda doubt that you'll have very good luck growing them in an arid climate with alkaline soil. songbird Hi Songbird, The search came up with only overseas sellers of plants. I see the same thing you ar seeing: Bilberries are found in acidic, nutrient-poor soils throughout the temperate and subarctic regions of the world. (Wikipedia) Well, I have cold weather and I can fix the acidity of the soil. And I picked out the wettest part of my garden. So far my Goji's are going great guns and three of my four Chokeberries (not cherries) are growing well. And, I finally found a source of those blackberries with the small seeds that sells plants. And I am getting really suspicious of those zero germination seeds I have been getting: bilberries, blackberries, Bit Time radish (1 in 10 germinate), Bora King radish (1 in 10 germinate), and Imai Early Yellow Onion (zero germination). Me thinks they are getting irradiated through customs. -T |
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I need blackberry help
T wrote:
songbird wrote: .... https://www.google.com/search?q=bilberry+plant+for+sale in looking at the places that had them i noticed that they all said what i suspected, these are wet/moisture loving plants that grow naturally near bogs and probably also need sandy acidic soil. i kinda doubt that you'll have very good luck growing them in an arid climate with alkaline soil. .... try these, in CA, so they won't go across any border: http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/vacci...bilberry-seeds also note that some cold weather plants may need some stratification of seeds for them to sprout and grow. The search came up with only overseas sellers of plants. I see the same thing you ar seeing: Bilberries are found in acidic, nutrient-poor soils throughout the temperate and subarctic regions of the world. (Wikipedia) Well, I have cold weather and I can fix the acidity of the soil. And I picked out the wettest part of my garden. you may also have to give the plants shade in the hot summer to prevent them from frying. So far my Goji's are going great guns and three of my four Chokeberries (not cherries) are growing well. And, I finally found a source of those blackberries with the small seeds that sells plants. And I am getting really suspicious of those zero germination seeds I have been getting: bilberries, blackberries, Bit Time radish (1 in 10 germinate), Bora King radish (1 in 10 germinate), and Imai Early Yellow Onion (zero germination). Me thinks they are getting irradiated through customs. *shrug* i can't say what happens as i rarely order things from anyplace let alone overseas... songbird |
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I need blackberry help
On 08/01/2018 11:31 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: songbird wrote: ... https://www.google.com/search?q=bilberry+plant+for+sale in looking at the places that had them i noticed that they all said what i suspected, these are wet/moisture loving plants that grow naturally near bogs and probably also need sandy acidic soil. i kinda doubt that you'll have very good luck growing them in an arid climate with alkaline soil. ... try these, in CA, so they won't go across any border: http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/vacci...bilberry-seeds Will try them if I can not find plants. Thank you! These seeds came from Outside Pride. also note that some cold weather plants may need some stratification of seeds for them to sprout and grow. The directions sounded exactly like my winters, so I planted them in early winter. Again in spring when they did not come up. The search came up with only overseas sellers of plants. I see the same thing you ar seeing: Bilberries are found in acidic, nutrient-poor soils throughout the temperate and subarctic regions of the world. (Wikipedia) Well, I have cold weather and I can fix the acidity of the soil. And I picked out the wettest part of my garden. you may also have to give the plants shade in the hot summer to prevent them from frying. So far my Goji's are going great guns and three of my four Chokeberries (not cherries) are growing well. And, I finally found a source of those blackberries with the small seeds that sells plants. And I am getting really suspicious of those zero germination seeds I have been getting: bilberries, blackberries, Bit Time radish (1 in 10 germinate), Bora King radish (1 in 10 germinate), and Imai Early Yellow Onion (zero germination). Me thinks they are getting irradiated through customs. *shrug* i can't say what happens as i rarely order things from anyplace let alone overseas... songbird |
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I need blackberry help
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.... The directions sounded exactly like my winters, so I planted them in early winter. Again in spring when they did not come up. they're very tiny seeds you may want to plant them in a container in the fridge to control the humidity and temperature better. songbird |
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I need blackberry help
On 08/01/2018 03:09 PM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: ... The directions sounded exactly like my winters, so I planted them in early winter. Again in spring when they did not come up. they're very tiny seeds you may want to plant them in a container in the fridge to control the humidity and temperature better. songbird Huh? Interesting. I wonder if I'd remember to water them. Hmmm, dirt in the refreg, I wonder if I could get that past me wife? |
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I need blackberry help
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.... Huh? Interesting. I wonder if I'd remember to water them. Hmmm, dirt in the refreg, I wonder if I could get that past me wife? in a container in a bag to keep the moisture in, with a slight gap to allow some air to get in and out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_(seeds) i'm not actually sure if bilberries need this or not but i'm thinking it may just help because the seeds are are so small. check it out, study, learn, try things, etc. songbird |
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I need blackberry help
On 08/02/2018 04:20 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: ... Huh? Interesting. I wonder if I'd remember to water them. Hmmm, dirt in the refreg, I wonder if I could get that past me wife? in a container in a bag to keep the moisture in, with a slight gap to allow some air to get in and out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_(seeds) i'm not actually sure if bilberries need this or not but i'm thinking it may just help because the seeds are are so small. check it out, study, learn, try things, etc. Always! Thank you! |
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I need blackberry help
On 08/02/2018 04:20 AM, songbird wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_(seeds) i'm not actually sure if bilberries need this or not but i'm thinking it may just help because the seeds are are so small. That was the description the seller gave and I have seen elsewhere. From the wikipedia article: In the wild, seed dormancy is usually overcome by the seed spending time in the ground through a winter period and having its hard seed coat softened up by frost and weathering action. By doing so the seed is undergoing a natural form of "cold stratification" or pretreatment. This cold moist period triggers My winter perfectly matched what they described on the package. Me thinks they were just dead. I do realize I have a black thumb, but thanks to you guys help, it is pretty much a gray thumb now-a-days. I will order from the source you gave me next time. -T |
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I need blackberry help
On 08/03/2018 10:44 AM, T wrote:
On 08/02/2018 04:20 AM, songbird wrote: Â*Â* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_(seeds) Â*Â* i'm not actually sure if bilberries need this or not but i'm thinking it may just help because the seeds are are so small. That was the description the seller gave and I have seen elsewhere.Â* From the wikipedia article: Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* In the wild, seed dormancy is usually overcome by Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* the seed spending time in the ground through a winter Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* period and having its hard seed coat softened up by Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* frost and weathering action. By doing so the seed is Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* undergoing aÂ* natural form of "cold stratification" Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* or pretreatment. This cold moist period triggers My winter perfectly matched what they described on the package. Me thinks they were just dead.Â* I do realize I have a black thumb, but thanks to you guys help, it is pretty much a gray thumb now-a-days.Â*Â* I will order from the source you gave me next time. -T And I have noticed that Outside Pride no longer sell these seeds. Hmmmmmmm ... |
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I need blackberry help
T wrote:
On 08/02/2018 04:20 AM, songbird wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_(seeds) i'm not actually sure if bilberries need this or not but i'm thinking it may just help because the seeds are are so small. That was the description the seller gave and I have seen elsewhere. From the wikipedia article: In the wild, seed dormancy is usually overcome by the seed spending time in the ground through a winter period and having its hard seed coat softened up by frost and weathering action. By doing so the seed is undergoing a natural form of "cold stratification" or pretreatment. This cold moist period triggers My winter perfectly matched what they described on the package. Me thinks they were just dead. I do realize I have a black thumb, but thanks to you guys help, it is pretty much a gray thumb now-a-days. I will order from the source you gave me next time. -T It sounds similar to what is needed for trillium seeds to sprout. The recommendation for the trillium seeds were to put them into the freezer for several weeks, then start the seeds indoors for later transplanting into their permanent home in the garden. I will admit to getting a low rate of germination with the trillium even with the freezer treatment, but at least it's better than waiting all winter to find out that you've crapped out with them in the spring. There's still time to try the freezer routine again with new seeds or another batch. I'm already growing blueberries (had a nice crop this year too), otherwise I might look into the bilberries myself. Nyssa, who has zero vegetables this year after Bambi and crew wiped out the neighborhood's plantings, but managed to save the blueberries |
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