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In article , Pat Meadows
wrote: On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 02:09:15 -0800, (Jan Flora) wrote: One of the ranchers in our cattlemans association is married to a vegetarian. It's NBD. When we have to go to convention banquets, he gets her prime rib and she gets his king crab legs : ) She's not a vegetarian then, she's someone who doesn't eat meat, but does eat fish. Vegetarian, by definition, means someone who doesn't eat red meat, doesn't eat poultry, and doesn't eat seafood - in short, a vegetarian doesn't eat any dead animals. What's 'NBD'? I can't figure that out. Pat The veggies I've talked to say that there are lots of kinds. Vegans won't eat eggs, they drink soy milk, and don't eat any flesh. Around here, there are lots of folks who won't eat "anything with a face." They'll eat seafood though. I say eat whatever you want and be happy. NBD = no big deal. Jan |
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John DeBoo wrote:
I'll probably go the 'pallet' route as I can get several for free by asking at Lowes or Home Depot, any of the lumber type stores. Sometimes they are not the best but they'll work. I've gotten them in the past for use under my firewood pile. I work in Westland, MI. I can get you all you want just for the picking up. It grinds my guts but we have been throwing away 5/4 oak pallets the past couple of weeks. That is, the runners and bottom boards are 1 1/4 inch thick solid oak and the top is 5/8 exterior plywood. Makes me sick just thinking about it. A couple weeks ago my car caught fire and I have to ride my bike for now. By the time I get wheels under me again, likely the oak will be gone. :-( Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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Andrew McMichael wrote:
But I've heard that one should stick to vegetable material. Is this so? Why? Andrew No. Although there may be social reasons for doing so, it just isn't true from the standpoint of biology IF you are running a well-managed hot process compost pile. If you are running a cold process compost pile you might (might) have a problem with vermin and pets. http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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TomC wrote: A local dairy farmer sells compost and manure. Guess where his dead cows go! onto the dinner table? |
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Fishes have faces...ask any 5 year old. I think that vegans BTW don't eat
ANY animal or animal based product. No milk, no cheese, no gelatin (if you don't know you don't want to). I've also heard of so called micro-biotics that wont eat the above but also retrict themselves to seaweeds and the like. Unfortunately due to man's dumping activities its argueable whether seafood is really all that safe to eat anymore. And recently a number of articles detailing how most of the big fish populations are all but wiped out. It doesn't look promising... "Jan Flora" wrote in message ... In article , Pat Meadows wrote: On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 02:09:15 -0800, (Jan Flora) wrote: One of the ranchers in our cattlemans association is married to a vegetarian. It's NBD. When we have to go to convention banquets, he gets her prime rib and she gets his king crab legs : ) She's not a vegetarian then, she's someone who doesn't eat meat, but does eat fish. Vegetarian, by definition, means someone who doesn't eat red meat, doesn't eat poultry, and doesn't eat seafood - in short, a vegetarian doesn't eat any dead animals. What's 'NBD'? I can't figure that out. Pat The veggies I've talked to say that there are lots of kinds. Vegans won't eat eggs, they drink soy milk, and don't eat any flesh. Around here, there are lots of folks who won't eat "anything with a face." They'll eat seafood though. I say eat whatever you want and be happy. NBD = no big deal. Jan |
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Jan Flora wrote: In article , tomj wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:51:35 -0800, (Jan Flora) wrote: Go surf around www.eatwild.com Growing beef on grass helps with carbon sequestration, among other things. Jan organic beef rancher Thanks Jan, very interesting! We continue to buy organic beef when we entertain and you've succeeded in convincing us to continue for our unenlightened friends. :) We'll have to agree to disagree personally, but I respect your informed choice. namaste, tomj One of the ranchers in our cattlemans association is married to a vegetarian. It's NBD. When we have to go to convention banquets, he gets her prime rib and she gets his king crab legs : ) In my home, we actually eat a lot more seafood than beef, because my SO will cave in and sell "our" beef, when a neighbor needs one for a wedding, for Easter or some other big occasion. We go fishing all winter long out on the bay, to catch halibut & king salmon. And buy crab & scallops on the dock. And go clamming. A lot of our "recreation" is actually subsistence food gathering. (Neither one of us hunts moose, caribou or black bear anymore. We'd rather look at the animals than kill them. But it's tempting to shoot moose when they get in the garden and eat all the cabbage & broccali a week before harvest. There's a moose heifer hanging around here tonight, so I put a radio out in the garden and tuned it to a station that plays a lot of Rush Limbaugh all night. That should scare her off. *g*) yummmy mooose Jan |
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Pat Meadows wrote: snip What's 'NBD'? I can't figure that out. no big deal Pat |
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FDR wrote:
I wouldn't put any animal type waste in a manure pile. There are disease risks. What then WOULD you put in a manure pile? If you run a hot pile and give the finished compost a one year aging period there are NO disease risks higher than background rates. http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html Not my site ... but I consider it authoritative on the subject. Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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Lynn Smythe wrote:
Oooooohhhhh, don't put any more oil, fat or meat trimmings into the compost pile. It attracts animals (mice, rats, racoons etc...) and doesn't break down. That conflicts with my experience and research. Fats, meats and so on do so break down and if you have a modestly hot pile (113-130 deg F) no animal is going to be pawing through it. The link below goes into considerably more detail on the matter. http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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Eggs don't have faces, neither does milk. However seafood does. These
people need to make up their minds. roz az usa |
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Why do they use such good wood for a pallet? I always figured they were
throw-away wood. Now I know why they are so @)#(! heavy. roz az usa |
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:28:36 -0700,
wrote: Eggs don't have faces, neither does milk. However seafood does. These people need to make up their minds. It's simple - the generally accepted definitions go like this: vegetarian - eats no dead animals (this is the simplest way to express it), many eat both eggs and milk, some eat one but not the other [1]. vegan - eats no dead animals and no animal products either (no eggs, no dairy foods, usually no honey) Many vegans also do not use leather, or other similar animal-based products. [2]. It's somewhat irritating to vegetarians when those who eat seafood or chicken (for instance) call themselves 'vegetarians' because this creates confusion. You go to a restaurant and ask the waiter if a certain entree is 'vegetarian'. He says it is, because the last person who discussed it with him claimed to be a vegetarian but wasn't disturbed by the chicken stock used in the recipe...so you think it's OK for you (a vegetarian) and you order it [1] From Merriam Webster online (for the definition of a vegetarian they say 'one who practices vegetarianism'): Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Date: circa 1851 : the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables , fruits, grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products [2] From Merriam-Webster online: Main Entry: veg·an Pronunciation: 'vE-g&n also 'vA- also 've-j&n or -"jan Function: noun Etymology: by contraction from vegetarian Date: 1944 : a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal food or dairy products; also : one who abstains from using animal products (as leather) Pat (not a vegetarian at the moment, but have been one in the past and likely will be again in the future) |
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Pat Meadows writes:
[1] From Merriam Webster online (for the definition of a vegetarian they say 'one who practices vegetarianism'): : the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables , fruits, grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products This definition is at least consistent: no food which required an animal to die. Eggs sold for eating are normally unfertilized, so they were never alive. Of course, chickens and cows on large farms don't live very long and are sent to slaughter as soon as their productivity drops, but that's not as direct. I knew a woman who only ate chicken and fish because she saw a TV show once about the conditions that certain milk-fed veal are raised in. Never mind that most carnivores go their whole lives without ever eating veal -- I can't remember the last time I saw it at my grocer's, and I couldn't afford it if I did -- she swore off all eating of hairy animals. Good thing she didn't see a show about how chickens are usually raised; their conditions are much nastier than that of most cattle or hogs. I eat as much meat as possible myself, but almost all of it comes from my parents' farm, and is butchered either by us or a local small butcher. Some of the stuff I've seen about the way livestock are raised on large corporate farms, and then treated in large slaughterhouses, would nearly make me swear off meat if I had to buy it all from who-knows-where. Main Entry: veg·an : a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal food or dairy products; also : one who abstains from using animal products (as leather) This one's consistent too, but I'd think it'd be awfully expensive to get a balanced diet with enough protein. -- Aaron |
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Why do they use such good wood for a pallet? I always figured they were throw-away wood. Now I know why they are so @)#(! heavy. Around here most pallets are made from junk trees, like cottonwood. If someone's making pallets out of oak, they must be using the scraps that weren't good enough for anything else, or logs that were too crooked to make a long enough board. A good oak log is worth way too much as quality lumber to be using it for pallets. -- Aaron |
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In article , tomj wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 02:09:15 -0800, (Jan Flora) wrote: I put a radio out in the garden and tuned it to a station that plays a lot of Rush Limbaugh all night. That should scare her off. *g*) What a great sense of humor! I rolled off the office chair on that one! Heh. It didn't work! The moose came through, stepped on my peas and kept going. At least she didn't stop to graze. I'm putting a fishnet fence up today. (She's down on the lake right now, eating the water lilies...) I'm curious about some comments I read by John Robbins and also posted this morning.... Grass fed sounds wonderful, but I have more questions....how do we know how the animals were butchered? If you know the rancher, you'll know how/where the animals were butchered. If you buy an animal from us, you pick out the one you want, live. We butcher on our ranch, never more than two animals in a day. (It's a *lot* of work!) The SO drives near the steer he wants, while the animal is grazing. He stays in the pickup and shoots the animal in the forehead once with a ..300 Savage that's had the point of the bullet cut off. (Better blunt impact -- kills instantly. The animal dies with grass in it's mouth and never hears the shot that kills it.) He discovered that if he stays in the pickup, the animals ignore him. If he gets out, they all come in for their (organic) barley, then you've got a bunch of milling animals. If a stranger gets out of the truck, the herd leaves. (They've learned that when strangers show up, someone is going to die...) Most of our customers take everything but the hide and the moo. Some even take the hooves, to make a gelatin-like soup. We have lots of ethnic Russian neighbors. When customers don't want the tongue, kidneys, liver or heart, we give those to elders in the neighborhood who enjoy them. We wait until there's snow on the ground, to have a clean place to work out on the meadow. The weather is also cool enough then to hang the carcass in our meat house for a couple of days, before it goes down to the local butcher. (It's easier to split a carcass after it's hung for awhile.) The butcher hangs the sides in his cooler at a certain temp (?) for up to 10 days, then breaks the carcass down into whatever cuts the customer has specified. (One of the questions on the "cut sheet" is "how many teenagers are you feeding?" because Tom will make the burger packages bigger, according to the teenage count in a household. He also asks how much and what kind of fat you want in the burger.) PBS is going to run a show on friday here that was produced by Hal Cannon. It's about cowboys. If I know Hal, he'll have stuff in there about a cowboy's relationship to the land and to the animals. (And I do know Hal. Met him at the Cowboy Poetry Gathering in Elko, NV a few years ago.) Catch that show, if you can. It might explain a lot. Jan |
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