Been lurking here for several years, absorbing and learning all I can
about gardening. Great group with lots of good info. I've always tried
to keep my gardens simple and easy to manage.

Here's my problem. For the second year now, about 2/3 of my garden
appears stunted and has a yellowish color to the plants, mostly
tomatoes, peppers and a few herbs. My veggie garden is small, only
about 25' X 25'. I border the whole thing with marigolds. The
marigolds on the south end are 3 times the size of the ones on the north
end. The entire garden gets equal sun exposure. I've had this garden
for about 10 years and only in the last 2 years has this problem showed
up. Just seems strange that only part of the garden is affected.

Any idea what I should look for or do? Thanks!
--
See ya,
Mike

"It is never too late to become what you might have been." - George Eliot

Should have noted: Zone 5, west/central Ohio.
--
See ya,
Mike

"It is never too late to become what you might have been." - George Eliot

1. Did you happen to put a bunch of leaves in the garden last fall
and till them in?
2. Are you using fertilizer? What kind? Did you put it over the
entire garden?

Steve



midocr wrote:
Been lurking here for several years, absorbing and learning all I can
about gardening. Great group with lots of good info. I've always tried
to keep my gardens simple and easy to manage.

Here's my problem. For the second year now, about 2/3 of my garden
appears stunted and has a yellowish color to the plants, mostly
tomatoes, peppers and a few herbs. My veggie garden is small, only
about 25' X 25'. I border the whole thing with marigolds. The
marigolds on the south end are 3 times the size of the ones on the north
end. The entire garden gets equal sun exposure. I've had this garden
for about 10 years and only in the last 2 years has this problem showed
up. Just seems strange that only part of the garden is affected.

Any idea what I should look for or do? Thanks!

Steve said:

1. Did you happen to put a bunch of leaves in the garden last fall
and till them in?
2. Are you using fertilizer? What kind? Did you put it over the
entire garden?

And I would add:

3. Does the garden slope in any particular direction (say, from north
to south)?

4. Has the garden received regular applications of compost? Home made
or brought in?

midocr wrote:
Been lurking here for several years, absorbing and learning all I can
about gardening. Great group with lots of good info. I've always tried
to keep my gardens simple and easy to manage.

Here's my problem. For the second year now, about 2/3 of my garden
appears stunted and has a yellowish color to the plants, mostly
tomatoes, peppers and a few herbs. My veggie garden is small, only
about 25' X 25'. I border the whole thing with marigolds. The
marigolds on the south end are 3 times the size of the ones on the north
end. The entire garden gets equal sun exposure. I've had this garden
for about 10 years and only in the last 2 years has this problem showed
up. Just seems strange that only part of the garden is affected.

Any idea what I should look for or do? Thanks!


--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

1. Did you happen to put a bunch of leaves in the garden last fall
and till them in?
2. Are you using fertilizer? What kind? Did you put it over the
entire garden?


And I would add:

3. Does the garden slope in any particular direction (say, from north
to south)?

4. Has the garden received regular applications of compost? Home made
or brought in?


midocr wrote:

Been lurking here for several years, absorbing and learning all I can
about gardening. Great group with lots of good info. I've always tried
to keep my gardens simple and easy to manage.

Here's my problem. For the second year now, about 2/3 of my garden
appears stunted and has a yellowish color to the plants, mostly
tomatoes, peppers and a few herbs. My veggie garden is small, only
about 25' X 25'. I border the whole thing with marigolds. The
marigolds on the south end are 3 times the size of the ones on the north
end. The entire garden gets equal sun exposure. I've had this garden
for about 10 years and only in the last 2 years has this problem showed
up. Just seems strange that only part of the garden is affected.

Any idea what I should look for or do? Thanks!

I brought in a pickup truck load of what appeared to be real good
compost from our township compost facility about 4 years ago and spread
it over the entire garden and tilled it in. The township collects grass
clippings, leaves in the fall, and shreds tree branches all year.
Composts it all through the winter and offers it back free to residents.
Everything did great the next couple of years. I don't make enough of
my own compost for the veggie garden, just my smaller flower beds. I
use Miracle Grow fertilizer but have not applied any yet this year. I
started out with Miracle Grow weed preventer with fertilizer this year
but did not use it last year and had the same problem. The garden is
flat with no slope.
--
See ya,
Mike

"It is never too late to become what you might have been." - George Eliot

Assuming the weed preventer is safe to use on vegetables (and I
really assume it is), the only thing that I can think of real quick
is that the plants are starved for nitrogen. If you plan to use
Miracle Grow anyway, use it now on about half the yellow plants.
Wait a week or so before you do the others. It should be obvious
very soon if they were simply starving.

Steve



midocr wrote:

I brought in a pickup truck load of what appeared to be real good
compost from our township compost facility about 4 years ago and spread
it over the entire garden and tilled it in. The township collects grass
clippings, leaves in the fall, and shreds tree branches all year.
Composts it all through the winter and offers it back free to residents.
Everything did great the next couple of years. I don't make enough of
my own compost for the veggie garden, just my smaller flower beds. I
use Miracle Grow fertilizer but have not applied any yet this year. I
started out with Miracle Grow weed preventer with fertilizer this year
but did not use it last year and had the same problem. The garden is
flat with no slope.

I think yellow is a sign of need for iron.

hawk

midocr wrote:
Been lurking here for several years, absorbing and learning all I can
about gardening. Great group with lots of good info. I've always tried
to keep my gardens simple and easy to manage.

Here's my problem. For the second year now, about 2/3 of my garden
appears stunted and has a yellowish color to the plants, mostly
tomatoes, peppers and a few herbs. My veggie garden is small, only
about 25' X 25'. I border the whole thing with marigolds. The
marigolds on the south end are 3 times the size of the ones on the north
end. The entire garden gets equal sun exposure. I've had this garden
for about 10 years and only in the last 2 years has this problem showed
up. Just seems strange that only part of the garden is affected.

Any idea what I should look for or do? Thanks!

If nutrients' the problem, yellow lower leaves indicates lack of
nitrogen. Yellow top leaves indicates lack of iron. Many other
factors can also cause yellowing. Any chance you can send a picture
of your garden?

I'm pretty sure that iron doesn't suddenly run out. It would be next
to impossible to have enough iron one year and have a serious
deficiency the next. It just doesn't leave the area easily.
Nitrogen, on the other hand, does wash away easily and a garden
needs a steady supply from one source or another.

Steve

Pen wrote:
If nutrients' the problem, yellow lower leaves indicates lack of
nitrogen. Yellow top leaves indicates lack of iron. Many other
factors can also cause yellowing. Any chance you can send a picture
of your garden?

midocr said:

I brought in a pickup truck load of what appeared to be real good
compost from our township compost facility about 4 years ago and spread
it over the entire garden and tilled it in. The township collects grass
clippings, leaves in the fall, and shreds tree branches all year.
Composts it all through the winter and offers it back free to residents.
Everything did great the next couple of years. I don't make enough of
my own compost for the veggie garden, just my smaller flower beds. I
use Miracle Grow fertilizer but have not applied any yet this year. I
started out with Miracle Grow weed preventer with fertilizer this year
but did not use it last year and had the same problem. The garden is
flat with no slope.

Four years, and no more compost added?

I think next fall you had better get another load of compost brought in.
And plan for it at least every other year. Either that, or start collecting
leaves in the fall (you know, the ones your neighbors have conveniently
bagged for the township to collect) and till them in before winter. Add
some manure or alfalfa pellets at the same time, if you can.

*Every* time the soil is worked, you should be turning in some organic matter.

I suspect that your plants need more nitrogen (if you've been rained on like
we have here in Michigan, that's a certainty) and the slow ebbing of that four
years ago load of compost hasn't helped your soil hang onto the fertilizer
you've used.

You might want to consider using a slow-release, encapsulated fertilizer like
Osmocote for bedding plants and vegetables. It won't be leached away as
readily as Miracle Grow. (It doesn't have to be Osmocote brand; there are
similar products under different brand names.)

I mainly stick to organic fertilizers, myself, and where I don't I use Osmocote
(or the equivalent).
--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 02:13:37 GMT, midocr wrote:

Been lurking here for several years, absorbing and learning all I can
about gardening. Great group with lots of good info. I've always tried
to keep my gardens simple and easy to manage.

Here's my problem. For the second year now, about 2/3 of my garden
appears stunted and has a yellowish color to the plants, mostly
tomatoes, peppers and a few herbs. My veggie garden is small, only
about 25' X 25'. I border the whole thing with marigolds. The
marigolds on the south end are 3 times the size of the ones on the north
end. The entire garden gets equal sun exposure. I've had this garden
for about 10 years and only in the last 2 years has this problem showed
up. Just seems strange that only part of the garden is affected.

Any idea what I should look for or do? Thanks!

Beyond the nutrient or lack of nutrient or too much nutrient
questions, and diseases..

where is the garden in relation to your neighbors' properties.

where is it in relation to driveways, roads, neighbors's driveways?

There could be spray drift if the yellowed side say.. got some drift
from roundup.. I notice that plants in my yard that got hit by some
round up turned yellow when it was not enough to kill them, but
sickened them.

If they're contaminated by 24D.. they generally have contorted new
growth I guess.. maybe yellowing.

Soil contaminated with petroleum product causes yellowing of plants
and stunting when roots encounter it.

I don't know if the garden was near a place where it would have gotten
a lot of exhaust build up say over winter from cars "warming up", or
exactly what it would do, but would think it might be like petroleum
contamination.

There are so many different things it could be, and as another asked,
is it possible to post some pictures of the garden in context..
otherwise shots from different angles of the whole garden so it can be
seen in relation to its surroundings, and some closer shots of the
garden as a whole, then the affected area, and close ups on the plants
most affected. Don't want much do I? ;-) A picture will help, more
might help more. :-)

Janice

midocr wrote in message ...
Been lurking here for several years, absorbing and learning all I can
about gardening. Great group with lots of good info. I've always tried
to keep my gardens simple and easy to manage.

Here's my problem. For the second year now, about 2/3 of my garden
appears stunted and has a yellowish color to the plants, mostly
tomatoes, peppers and a few herbs. My veggie garden is small, only
about 25' X 25'. I border the whole thing with marigolds. The
marigolds on the south end are 3 times the size of the ones on the north
end. The entire garden gets equal sun exposure. I've had this garden
for about 10 years and only in the last 2 years has this problem showed
up. Just seems strange that only part of the garden is affected.

Any idea what I should look for or do? Thanks!

The main thing you need is a complete soil test(not just a pH test)
and stop all the guessing. Guessing may just make a bad situation
worse. A soil test from your local Extension Office will give you a
complete soil analysis plus tell you what you need to do to correct
any problems for the type plants you are tyying to grow. The price for
the test is very minimal.

Take soil samples from about six inches deep at various places in your
garden. Stir all the samples together to get an average sample. Put
about 2 cups of the soil in a plastic baggie and carry it to your
Extension Office. They will handle it from there and send you a
detailed analysis back in the mail. If you have questions about the
analysis, they can answer all of them.

I never cease to be amazed at how people try to guess solutions to
problems when all that almost free help is available at their local Ag
office.

Bob S.

Low enough pH can leach out iron. Again, there isn't enough info to
tell what the problem might be. Another possibility is the garden
might be in the way of an expanding mushroom ring. If so, given time,
the fungi will run its course and the soil will be better than ever.

http://www.ext.nodak.edu/county/cass...ease/fairy.htm

(Pat Kiewicz) wrote in message ...
midocr said:



Four years, and no more compost added?

I think next fall you had better get another load of compost brought in.
And plan for it at least every other year. Either that, or start collecting
leaves in the fall (you know, the ones your neighbors have conveniently
bagged for the township to collect) and till them in before winter. Add
some manure or alfalfa pellets at the same time, if you can.


you tell him, Pat. It could be a number of things, but the fact that
it did well for two years points to what Pat says. Let me also guess
that the flower beds, which are getting the kitchen compost (the most
fertile compost there is), are doing great also. If that is the case,
even leaves won't do - they are great for texture but low in
nutrients. Bring in a truckload of manure. It is best to manure each
bed every second year *once they have some fertility* (so not for the
next three years), but manure some bed every year, and rotate around
heavy and light feeders accordingly.