In article ,
George Shirley wrote:

Billy Rose wrote:
In article ,
rachael simpson wrote:


William Wagner wrote:


My oldest son may marry a mideast lady soon.

Bill



http://mideastfood.about.com/od/midd.../hummus101.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahini

Hummus
From Saad Fayed,

Hummus is one of the more popular Middle Eastern dips. Served with fresh
or toasted pita, hummus makes for a great snack or appetizer. Tahini is
an important part of the hummus recipe and cannot be substituted.
However, it can be omitted.

More Hummus Recipes
INGREDIENTS:
¤ 1 16 oz can of chickpeas or garbanzo beans
¤ 1/4 cup liquid from can of chickpeas
¤ 3-5 tablespoons lemon juice (depending on taste)
¤ 1 1/2 tablespoons tahini
¤ 2 cloves garlic, crushed
¤ 1/2 teaspoon salt
¤ 2 tablespoons olive oil
PREPARATION:
Drain chickpeas and set aside liquid from can. Combine remaining
ingredients in blender or food processor. Add 1/4 cup of liquid from
chickpeas. Blend for 3-5 minutes on low until thoroughly mixed and
smooth.


Place in serving bowl, and create a shallow well in the center of the
hummus.

Add a small amount (1-2 tablespoons) of olive oil in the well. Garnish
with parsley (optional).

Serve immediately with fresh, warm or toasted pita bread, or cover and
refrigerate.
Variations
For a spicier hummus, add a sliced red chile or a dash of cayenne pepper.
Storing Hummus
Hummus can be refrigerated for up to 3 days and can be kept in the
freezer for up to one month. Add a little olive oil if it appears to be
too dry.


putting this one on file to try in the future too. I generally prefer my
dips & salads fresh and not refrigerated. will try this one fresh with
the toasted pita chips. if like, might use tortilla chips with the
spicier version. bet that's good together. why is it that the tahini
can't be substituted with something else, but it can be omitted?


Tanin't hummus less 'en its' got tahini. Might be good but it ain't
hummus. Tahini is made from sesame seeds. Not much else tastes like
sesame. The seeds have medicinal properties which include aphrodisiac,
demulcent, diuretic, emmenagogue, emollient, galactogogue, laxative,
rejuvenative, tonic.

See more at http://www.holistic-online.com/Herba...Herbs/h194.htm
I've been making what is basically the same recipe for years. Only
difference is I put 1/4 cup tahini in the hummos versus 1.5 tablespoons.
The recipe I use comes from a cookbook I bought in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia,
written by a Swiss woman married to an Egyptian military officer who has
been living in Saudi for years. Good cookbook too. And Billy is right,
it ain't hummos without the tahini.

George

Most importantly, it is a garlic delivery device, so stuff in as many as
you like. AFAIAC with the sesame and the garlic, we are on our way to a
pharmacy in a bowl.

FB - FFF
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Sheldon wrote:
rachael simpson wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. �And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. �If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. �And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. �Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.
To start with, we had a legal contract to the land. Laywers took care of
this. It was a rental contract to begin with. The owner decided after 5
years of constant payment, we did not have to pay anymore to continue
using it. Had another document drawn-up, stating that we had paid in
full, and the land was legally ours, with the exception that he & his
wife have lifetime rights. We will own the area his house is own then,
also. For now, we help him keep his yard and garden up. We hold the deed
to the whole area of 32 acres.

That doesn't sound kosher to me, no one "takes care of" title
transfer. You had no closing and paid no consideration, did no title
search to discover if the land is even clear of encumberences and who
the legal owner is. You cannot so simply acquire land ownership by
say so... even a tax search would need to be conducted, someone is
always liable for taxes, always the owner of record.

you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't. the
man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we went
along.

No, it is not wetland area. Not according to the county maps and land
office anyway. I have had that checked.

You had it checked or checked it yourself, which?

both.

Cattle have been on that exact spot for generations. It has been a
pasture for at least 80 years. The man we got it from, his family had
that place before him. He is 84 and says that when he was a child, his
grand-father and father had cattle there

Who cares, that's a bunch of red herring if I ever smelled one.

You said you "have" a 20 acre pasture instead of saying you *own* a 20
acre pasture. If you actually owned that land you would have said
*owned*, and then no way would any agency come on your land and do the
kind of work you describe, not unless there exists a wetlands easement
for remedial work, or some kind of easement. If there actually was a
recent deed transfer you'd absolutely know of any incumberances,
especially easements and ROWs, they'd be accurately indicated right on
the deed, even if there were no recent survey.

Your way of expressing yourself does not make you believeable. I've
bought and sold too may pieces of real estate in my life to not
recognize BS. No one turns over 20 acres, and then another 10 acres
and with their home, just because as you claim you've been paying rent
to keep a few head of livestock in a pasture for five years (no one
keeps livestock with no shelter). I don't care about what others wish
to believe but I for one do not believe your story, not a word.


do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i would
have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let me get
a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more than one)
too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to state in my
question. also, if you read the thread, then you will notice that i
stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company to care for
lines. i don't know about where you are, but here when the state wants
to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it. sometimes we get
notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type work, and if it's
fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was. it
justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a founding
father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the place, they have
lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you obviously know nothing
about.

rae

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


Heh. Now you're having fun.

Back in the 70s, there was a book called something like "Success Through
Intimidation". The title turned a lot of people off, but the intimidation
meant being overwhelmingly prepared and meticulous. As you discovered, it
works well with small government beaurocrats.


hey joe,

yep, it works well. will have to look that book up, maybe i can learn a
thing or two from it.

meeting went well. everything's in the attorney's hands now. he's gonna
try to work things out to the benefit of the state, and the horses and
cows. that's all i really care about anyway, is that they don't lose
their water source, and they don't get injured from those landscaping
rocks. he mentioned maybe seeing about turning it into a wild horse
preserve, which is something we are interested in.

thanks for all the advice you gave, we really appreciate it.

rae

In article ,
rachael simpson wrote:

Sheldon wrote:
rachael simpson wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. ?And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. ?If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. ?And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. ?Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.
To start with, we had a legal contract to the land. Laywers took care of
this. It was a rental contract to begin with. The owner decided after 5
years of constant payment, we did not have to pay anymore to continue
using it. Had another document drawn-up, stating that we had paid in
full, and the land was legally ours, with the exception that he & his
wife have lifetime rights. We will own the area his house is own then,
also. For now, we help him keep his yard and garden up. We hold the deed
to the whole area of 32 acres.

That doesn't sound kosher to me, no one "takes care of" title
transfer. You had no closing and paid no consideration, did no title
search to discover if the land is even clear of encumberences and who
the legal owner is. You cannot so simply acquire land ownership by
say so... even a tax search would need to be conducted, someone is
always liable for taxes, always the owner of record.

you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't. the
man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we went
along.

No, it is not wetland area. Not according to the county maps and land
office anyway. I have had that checked.

You had it checked or checked it yourself, which?

both.

Cattle have been on that exact spot for generations. It has been a
pasture for at least 80 years. The man we got it from, his family had
that place before him. He is 84 and says that when he was a child, his
grand-father and father had cattle there

Who cares, that's a bunch of red herring if I ever smelled one.

You said you "have" a 20 acre pasture instead of saying you *own* a 20
acre pasture. If you actually owned that land you would have said
*owned*, and then no way would any agency come on your land and do the
kind of work you describe, not unless there exists a wetlands easement
for remedial work, or some kind of easement. If there actually was a
recent deed transfer you'd absolutely know of any incumberances,
especially easements and ROWs, they'd be accurately indicated right on
the deed, even if there were no recent survey.

Your way of expressing yourself does not make you believeable. I've
bought and sold too may pieces of real estate in my life to not
recognize BS. No one turns over 20 acres, and then another 10 acres
and with their home, just because as you claim you've been paying rent
to keep a few head of livestock in a pasture for five years (no one
keeps livestock with no shelter). I don't care about what others wish
to believe but I for one do not believe your story, not a word.


do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i would
have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let me get
a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more than one)
too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to state in my
question. also, if you read the thread, then you will notice that i
stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company to care for
lines. i don't know about where you are, but here when the state wants
to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it. sometimes we get
notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type work, and if it's
fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was. it
justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a founding
father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the place, they have
lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you obviously know nothing
about.

rae

It i s difficult for folks to look at economic issues they can't
conceive.

Bill

--

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Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

William Wagner wrote:


It i s difficult for folks to look at economic issues they can't
conceive.

Bill


how true.....
as a side note: personally, i wouldn't wish what we are going thru on
anyone.

On 7/24/07 5:45 PM, in article , "rachael
simpson" wrote:

William Wagner wrote:


It i s difficult for folks to look at economic issues they can't
conceive.

Bill


how true.....
as a side note: personally, i wouldn't wish what we are going thru on
anyone.
Not even the people who inflicted this on you?
C

Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 7/24/07 5:45 PM, in article , "rachael
simpson" wrote:

William Wagner wrote:

It i s difficult for folks to look at economic issues they can't
conceive.

Bill

how true.....
as a side note: personally, i wouldn't wish what we are going thru on
anyone.
Not even the people who inflicted this on you?
C


nope, not even them....

rachael simpson wrote:
you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't. the
man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we went
along.

Oh, honey. I gotta tell ya, I'm with Sheldon on this. Title transfers
*can* just happen as the result of a quit claim, but only if your name
is on the deed to start with or the deed is given over to you
specifically. You would know if this had happened. You would get the tax
bill. Ask the county for a copy of your deed.

Don't get the tax bill? Wow, you really did get a deal, didn't you!



do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i would
have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let me get
a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more than one)
too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to state in my
question. also, if you read the thread, then you will notice that i
stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company to care for
lines. i don't know about where you are, but here when the state wants
to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it. sometimes we get
notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type work, and if it's
fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was. it
justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a founding
father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the place, they have
lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you obviously know nothing
about.

At the end of all of this, it matters little what you *have*. What will
matter is what you can *prove*. The amount of rent you paid means squat
if you can't prove it was applied toward the purchase of the land, and
there is no ownership if you don't have the deed in your name. And
though the millionaire founding father may be the nicest man in town,
it's always wise to do a survey and title search. Don't take anybody's
word for things, no matter what the local lore is.

Pennyaline wrote:

Oh, honey. I gotta tell ya, I'm with Sheldon on this. Title transfers
*can* just happen as the result of a quit claim, but only if your name
is on the deed to start with or the deed is given over to you
specifically. You would know if this had happened. You would get the tax
bill. Ask the county for a copy of your deed.

Don't get the tax bill? Wow, you really did get a deal, didn't you!

At the end of all of this, it matters little what you *have*. What will
matter is what you can *prove*. The amount of rent you paid means squat
if you can't prove it was applied toward the purchase of the land, and
there is no ownership if you don't have the deed in your name. And
though the millionaire founding father may be the nicest man in town,
it's always wise to do a survey and title search. Don't take anybody's
word for things, no matter what the local lore is.

sheesh, i guess i need to explain even more than i do, huh? lol
what i meant by "we hold the deed", is that the land is in my husband's
name. therefore, we hold the deed, we pay the tax, and all that goes
with it. so we have the deed, and we have the paperwork proving
ownership.......
what i meant by "the lawyer took care of it" is that his (the man who
previously owned it) attorney had the land agreement & transfer drawn
up. we appeared before the attorney, the notary, and the register of
deeds, to finalize it. it is not a quit claim, or a quick claim. it was
appraised and surveyed. i do know to do a little research before getting
in to matters like that. i always "shop around"...so to speak...
hence why i asked all you for advice, i like to be armed to the max
before dealing with any type of "powers that be", be that a test, a
lawyer, a doctor, a church, local government, anything....

Pennyaline wrote:
rachael simpson wrote:
you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't.
the man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we
went along.

Oh, honey. I gotta tell ya, I'm with Sheldon on this. Title transfers
*can* just happen as the result of a quit claim, but only if your name
is on the deed to start with or the deed is given over to you
specifically. You would know if this had happened. You would get the tax
bill. Ask the county for a copy of your deed.

Don't get the tax bill? Wow, you really did get a deal, didn't you!



do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i
would have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let
me get a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more
than one) too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to
state in my question. also, if you read the thread, then you will
notice that i stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company
to care for lines. i don't know about where you are, but here when
the state wants to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it.
sometimes we get notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type
work, and if it's fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was.
it justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a
founding father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the
place, they have lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you
obviously know nothing about.

At the end of all of this, it matters little what you *have*. What will
matter is what you can *prove*. The amount of rent you paid means squat
if you can't prove it was applied toward the purchase of the land, and
there is no ownership if you don't have the deed in your name. And
though the millionaire founding father may be the nicest man in town,
it's always wise to do a survey and title search. Don't take anybody's
word for things, no matter what the local lore is.


the trouble i can get into by using one word {have} instead of another
{owned}.............
(shakes head)
rae

lol

Charlie wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:01:11 -0400, rachael simpson
wrote:

Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 7/24/07 5:45 PM, in article , "rachael
simpson" wrote:

William Wagner wrote:

It i s difficult for folks to look at economic issues they can't
conceive.

Bill

how true.....
as a side note: personally, i wouldn't wish what we are going thru on
anyone.
Not even the people who inflicted this on you?
C

nope, not even them....

Ahhhhh........The Golden Way.

Charlie

yep,yep! do unto others as you would have them do unto you, honesty is
the best policy, honor & respect elders, no lying, no cheating, no envy,
no lashing out in anger, no stealing, no adultery, no idolatry....the
"complete golden way"!

"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 7/24/07 5:45 PM, in article , "rachael
simpson" wrote:

William Wagner wrote:

It i s difficult for folks to look at economic issues they can't
conceive.
Bill

how true.....
as a side note: personally, i wouldn't wish what we are going thru on
anyone.
Not even the people who inflicted this on you?
C


nope, not even them....


Remember this: Forgiveness can reach a point where you become a sap. A
serious bible-head friend says even Jesus spoke to this issue. Don't be a
sap.

"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
Pennyaline wrote:

Oh, honey. I gotta tell ya, I'm with Sheldon on this. Title transfers
*can* just happen as the result of a quit claim, but only if your name is
on the deed to start with or the deed is given over to you specifically.
You would know if this had happened. You would get the tax bill. Ask the
county for a copy of your deed.

Don't get the tax bill? Wow, you really did get a deal, didn't you!

At the end of all of this, it matters little what you *have*. What will
matter is what you can *prove*. The amount of rent you paid means squat
if you can't prove it was applied toward the purchase of the land, and
there is no ownership if you don't have the deed in your name. And though
the millionaire founding father may be the nicest man in town, it's
always wise to do a survey and title search. Don't take anybody's word
for things, no matter what the local lore is.

sheesh, i guess i need to explain even more than i do, huh? lol
what i meant by "we hold the deed", is that the land is in my husband's
name. therefore, we hold the deed, we pay the tax, and all that goes with
it. so we have the deed, and we have the paperwork proving
ownership.......
what i meant by "the lawyer took care of it" is that his (the man who
previously owned it) attorney had the land agreement & transfer drawn up.
we appeared before the attorney, the notary, and the register of deeds, to
finalize it. it is not a quit claim, or a quick claim. it was appraised
and surveyed. i do know to do a little research before getting in to
matters like that. i always "shop around"...so to speak...
hence why i asked all you for advice, i like to be armed to the max before
dealing with any type of "powers that be", be that a test, a lawyer, a
doctor, a church, local government, anything....


You'd better let us know (for Sheldon's benefit) what color ink you signed
each document in.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
Pennyaline wrote:
Oh, honey. I gotta tell ya, I'm with Sheldon on this. Title transfers
*can* just happen as the result of a quit claim, but only if your name is
on the deed to start with or the deed is given over to you specifically.
You would know if this had happened. You would get the tax bill. Ask the
county for a copy of your deed.

Don't get the tax bill? Wow, you really did get a deal, didn't you!

At the end of all of this, it matters little what you *have*. What will
matter is what you can *prove*. The amount of rent you paid means squat
if you can't prove it was applied toward the purchase of the land, and
there is no ownership if you don't have the deed in your name. And though
the millionaire founding father may be the nicest man in town, it's
always wise to do a survey and title search. Don't take anybody's word
for things, no matter what the local lore is.
sheesh, i guess i need to explain even more than i do, huh? lol
what i meant by "we hold the deed", is that the land is in my husband's
name. therefore, we hold the deed, we pay the tax, and all that goes with
it. so we have the deed, and we have the paperwork proving
ownership.......
what i meant by "the lawyer took care of it" is that his (the man who
previously owned it) attorney had the land agreement & transfer drawn up.
we appeared before the attorney, the notary, and the register of deeds, to
finalize it. it is not a quit claim, or a quick claim. it was appraised
and surveyed. i do know to do a little research before getting in to
matters like that. i always "shop around"...so to speak...
hence why i asked all you for advice, i like to be armed to the max before
dealing with any type of "powers that be", be that a test, a lawyer, a
doctor, a church, local government, anything....


You'd better let us know (for Sheldon's benefit) what color ink you signed
each document in.



black...ball point pen...had the viagra logo on it if i remember
right..top half of the pen was white with the logo, the bottom half was
green...had to leave work to go sign the papers...

lol

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 7/24/07 5:45 PM, in article , "rachael
simpson" wrote:

William Wagner wrote:

It i s difficult for folks to look at economic issues they can't
conceive.
Bill

how true.....
as a side note: personally, i wouldn't wish what we are going thru on
anyone.
Not even the people who inflicted this on you?
C

nope, not even them....


Remember this: Forgiveness can reach a point where you become a sap. A
serious bible-head friend says even Jesus spoke to this issue. Don't be a
sap.



i wouldn't call myself a sap. but it also calls for forgiveness 70x7.
when the issue is pushed, cut them loose and just let them go on their
merry way. it doesn't mean that you still have to socialize with that
person...